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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#81 » by bigfoot » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:09 pm

EB2 wrote:No offense, but I think phraz had a right to question you because you were saying that the preseason actually matters, but it really doesnt.


A suggestion is you might read the article I quoted and wikipedia about linear regression. A statistician at 82games.com ran some regression tests to determine if preseason success would be an indicator of in-season success. The answer was yes, a very high correlation, but only when the team was crappy the season before. Exactly the situation the Suns were heading towards by going 3-0. I only pointed out that teams who fit the situation of losing in the previous season but winning in the preseason of the next year had on average a 19 game improvement. Hence 44 wins for the Suns. So in some cases the preseason does matter. I certainly wouldn't say this is always going to happen but when the situation arises, the odds are in a teams favor. If I were a betting man then I would almost certainly make money more often that not in these situations. Said another way, the professionals are looking at individual player analytics and use those for drafting and free agent acquisitions in most sports now. Team analytics is also important and this was just an example that was too easily dismissed by phraz and now you. Again some light reading might help you better understand the situation.
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#82 » by Frank Lee » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:18 pm

I understand that I have a cnote on the over at 19 1/2 :clap: and just PO'd I didn't nut up and drop 5bills on them.

This next game is a tester. What do you think the line will be ? Phnx +2 1/2 ?
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#83 » by Frank Lee » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:43 pm

Opening line.... Pick'em

TParker is out though. This game is our to win. TP has always troubled us.
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#84 » by bigfoot » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:40 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I understand that I have a cnote on the over at 19 1/2 :clap: and just PO'd I didn't nut up and drop 5bills on them.

This next game is a tester. What do you think the line will be ? Phnx +2 1/2 ?


Damn I'm too conservative to gamble so I don't even follow over/unders. But good for you on that early season bet.
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#85 » by gaspar » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:08 pm

EB2 wrote:No offense, but I think phraz had a right to question you because you were saying that the preseason actually matters, but it really doesnt.

It kinda does.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/10/26 ... t-it-does/
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#86 » by Ring_Wanted » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:25 pm

It matters. Every minute you play matters. Conditioning, putting on the floor what you have worked on in the summer, getting chemistry going, whatever. And if you are a team with new pieces, coach and system, it does even more. The veteran teams don't need preseason in a certain sense (still, remember JJax 'I'm a vet, I don't need preseason/summer bball or whatever he said? yeah, it showed...), but I don't know why one would scoff at the notion that preseason does matter.
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Re: Preseason: Suns at Spurs 

Post#87 » by bigfoot » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:25 pm

gaspar wrote:
EB2 wrote:No offense, but I think phraz had a right to question you because you were saying that the preseason actually matters, but it really doesnt.

It kinda does.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/10/26 ... t-it-does/


Thanks for finding another article that covers things a little more clearly than the 82games one.

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