Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[pickaxe]

You must be on something good if you think Morey is gonna trade two bonafide rotation players who can start for those two....

Just NY'S 1st round pick.

Asik is leaving anyway. MWP helps Dwight. Amare helps Dwight. As starters, or bench. Lin is just one of maybe a handful of pgs that would be an upgrade for NY.

We're talking 2 solid players that don't work for New York for a journeyman center and an in process pg with something to prove.

Lol!

Yup.

Well, I guess NY is screwed if the players I mentioned are so worthless. I was under the impression that they could carry their own weight. Wasn't MWP once known as the premier perimeter defender?

If Asik heads to another team, he will most likely end up a journeyman.

This is not based on wrapping all these players in a pretty bow....this is based on how they will be embraced and what they can make of their careers. I suppose there is a financial hurdle to get over. My understanding is NY is more interested in what players can become in their fair city so long as you can make the numbers work.

Dwight, Amare, and MWP would have an incredibly simplified situation and would thrive. Houston has Harden for scoring along with Dwight. By simplifying the rest of the roster, HOU can achieve more.

As for NY, now they have Chandler, Asik, Bargs, Melo, Martin .....much healthier and simplified frontcourt. Melo's going to have to play the defense MWP was brought in to play. Plus NY now has the backcourt assets to upgrade PG a bit.

[pickaxe]

Anyway, if everyone can go along with my thinking here: NY's biggest problem is that it is a patchwork team that did not take into account how the dough would rise once the cake was shoved in the oven. It didn't rise! Whoopsie.

Any trade that separates some of these ingredients is going to allow the overall cake to rise better.

Why am I interested even though I'm in Denver? I know NY will not make a smart trade anyway. And it's painful to watch players that thrived here end up in mediocrity. I may rejoice if we get a nice pick, but the basketball side of me still cringes when these guys don't at least match the level they once played at in Denver.

[Rasho Brezec]

It should be in the best interest of Western teams to make a trade that improves the Knicks unless they want to deal with Wiggins in Denver next year. It's about time we win a trade, we haven't done that since forever.

[moocow007]

It should be in the best interest of Western teams to make a trade that improves the Knicks unless they want to deal with Wiggins in Denver next year. It's about time we win a trade, we haven't done that since forever.

Anthony aside, when was the last time the Knicks won a trade? Larry Johnson (for Anthony Mason)? Charles Oakley (for Bill Cartwright)?

[aq_ua]

It should be in the best interest of Western teams to make a trade that improves the Knicks unless they want to deal with Wiggins in Denver next year. It's about time we win a trade, we haven't done that since forever.

Anthony aside, when was the last time the Knicks won a trade? Larry Johnson (for Anthony Mason)? Charles Oakley (for Bill Cartwright)?

Starks, Mills and Cummings for Sprewell
Oakley for Camby
Nazr for Malik Rose and the pick that became David Lee
I'm pretty sure we won the Bargnani trade

[Marty McFly]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kg9a5vp

the only trade the means anything to me, with the knicks getting their pick back.

[SuperflyKnick]

On side note wud me Memphis do bargnani/jr 4 randolf ..... They are looking for a stretch 4 and a scoring guard off the bench ... We get rebounding and inside scoring

Grizzlies get - Pau Gasol, JR Smith, Shawne Williams, Steve Blake & 2018 1st rd pick (NYK)

Lakers get - Raymond Felton, Zach Randolph & Tyson Chandler

Knicks get - Mike Conley & Steve Nash

So I'm assuming Nash will play center then

[mpharris36]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kg9a5vp

the only trade the means anything to me, with the knicks getting their pick back.

so take on 3 to 4 terrible contracts

mcgee 3 years (dumbest player in the league)
dudley 3 years (worst player in the league)
Barnes 4 years (terrible contract)
Foye 3 years (not expensive but him and felton for 3 more years awful)

so basically you want to make a trade that would net us hopefully a top 5 pick (that isn't even a lock). Imagine if we got the 4th, 5th or 6th pick?

we now have a terrible team with no cap flexability with 31 million locked up for the next 3 years. Along with JR and Feltons 9 million per year. So you now have 40 million tied up in terrible basketball players over the next few seasons.

But hey we would have Marcus Smart or Joel Embiid!

oh goodie

[Marty McFly]

so take on 3 to 4 terrible contracts

mcgee 3 years (dumbest player in the league)
dudley 3 years (worst player in the league)
Barnes 4 years (terrible contract)
Foye 3 years (not expensive but him and felton for 3 more years awful)

so basically you want to make a trade that would net us hopefully a top 5 pick (that isn't even a lock). Imagine if we got the 4th, 5th or 6th pick?

we now have a terrible team with no cap flexability with 31 million locked up for the next 3 years. Along with JR and Feltons 9 million per year. So you now have 40 million tied up in terrible basketball players over the next few seasons.

lol at terrible contracts. every single one of those players has a manageable contract.

wilson, foye and barnes have team options in 2015, meaning the team can decided to extend them or not.

dudley has a po at 4 million. he can walk if he finds a better deal.

mcgee will expire after 2015 @ 12 mill. if he's healthy and somewhat productive he's not going to be tough to move if they want to.

that's (including the players the knick currently have contracted) 30 million tied up in 2015. you can still afford those 2015 free agents some of you seem so keen on waiting on.

But hey we would have Marcus Smart or Joel Embiid!

oh goodie

or you know, wiggins, randle or parker. they're in the draft too.

the knicks won't even have to go shoot their load in 2015 either.

in 2016 dragic, love, noah and hibbert will be available aswell.


but that's SO much more worse then re upping melo for 30 a year.

[Rasho Brezec]

Lol, we already have the 4th worst record, if we add the "dumbest and worst" players in the league while giving up our two best players, that pretty much guarantees us a top 3 pick.

And top 5 picks this year > Melo's max contract

[mpharris36]

mcgee expires in 2016 not 2015

and Dolan isn't trading melo for a bunch of retreds...if he is trading melo he is getting somoeone with some cache' to there name. I could see a Blake Griffin trade because he is a name that can fill seats.

But Blake Griffin doesn't change anything, he is just a younger player, but someone that doesn't have nearly the talent melo has.

[Marty McFly]

mcgee expires in 2016 not 2015

which is why i said, AFTER 2015.

and Dolan isn't trading melo for a bunch of retreds...if he is trading melo he is getting somoeone with some cache' to there name. I could see a Blake Griffin trade because he is a name that can fill seats.

But Blake Griffin doesn't change anything, he is just a younger player, but someone that doesn't have nearly the talent melo has.

well, i can't say i disagree with that. but this is a trade "thoughts" thread. not a what will james dolan do thread. that would be more depressing.

[BALLINari]

Fire Woodson and trade for Tom Thibodeau. Yes...you can trade for coaches. I'd be willing to offer a 2018 1st round draft pick swap as compensation and a 2nd round pick in 2016 and 2017

[SF_Warriors]

Just NY'S 1st round pick.

Asik is leaving anyway. MWP helps Dwight. Amare helps Dwight. As starters, or bench. Lin is just one of maybe a handful of pgs that would be an upgrade for NY.

We're talking 2 solid players that don't work for New York for a journeyman center and an in process pg with something to prove.

Lol!

Yup.

Well, I guess NY is screwed if the players I mentioned are so worthless. I was under the impression that they could carry their own weight. Wasn't MWP once known as the premier perimeter defender?

If Asik heads to another team, he will most likely end up a journeyman.

This is not based on wrapping all these players in a pretty bow....this is based on how they will be embraced and what they can make of their careers. I suppose there is a financial hurdle to get over. My understanding is NY is more interested in what players can become in their fair city so long as you can make the numbers work.

Dwight, Amare, and MWP would have an incredibly simplified situation and would thrive. Houston has Harden for scoring along with Dwight. By simplifying the rest of the roster, HOU can achieve more.

As for NY, now they have Chandler, Asik, Bargs, Melo, Martin .....much healthier and simplified frontcourt. Melo's going to have to play the defense MWP was brought in to play. Plus NY now has the backcourt assets to upgrade PG a bit.

Bro, you need to realize that just because a guy was once a good player, does not make it so in the present.
By your logic, they can throw in Brandon Roy in there and he'll be able to play like a quality starter, which he once was.

Asik and Lin are actually good players TODAY, and are actually improving as bpth are young and have not been decimated by injuries in their career.

I still have hope for amare, but cmon, he's not going to average over 30 minutes a game.

Also, Asik and Lin are actually pretty good trade assets, whereas amare is not..You reallythink Morey wants amare on this team at 23 mill next season??

Learn how to basketball!!!

[pickaxe]

On side note wud me Memphis do bargnani/jr 4 randolf ..... They are looking for a stretch 4 and a scoring guard off the bench ... We get rebounding and inside scoring

Grizzlies get - Pau Gasol, JR Smith, Shawne Williams, Steve Blake & 2018 1st rd pick (NYK)

Lakers get - Raymond Felton, Zach Randolph & Tyson Chandler

Knicks get - Mike Conley & Steve Nash

So I'm assuming Nash will play center then

Nash will sit on Kenyon's shoulders and morph to become Point-Center! Scary dunks, even scarier no look passes!

[pickaxe]

Lol!

Yup.

Well, I guess NY is screwed if the players I mentioned are so worthless. I was under the impression that they could carry their own weight. Wasn't MWP once known as the premier perimeter defender?

If Asik heads to another team, he will most likely end up a journeyman.

This is not based on wrapping all these players in a pretty bow....this is based on how they will be embraced and what they can make of their careers. I suppose there is a financial hurdle to get over. My understanding is NY is more interested in what players can become in their fair city so long as you can make the numbers work.

Dwight, Amare, and MWP would have an incredibly simplified situation and would thrive. Houston has Harden for scoring along with Dwight. By simplifying the rest of the roster, HOU can achieve more.

As for NY, now they have Chandler, Asik, Bargs, Melo, Martin .....much healthier and simplified frontcourt. Melo's going to have to play the defense MWP was brought in to play. Plus NY now has the backcourt assets to upgrade PG a bit.

Bro, you need to realize that just because a guy was once a good player, does not make it so in the present.
By your logic, they can throw in Brandon Roy in there and he'll be able to play like a quality starter, which he once was.

Asik and Lin are actually good players TODAY, and are actually improving as bpth are young and have not been decimated by injuries in their career.

I still have hope for amare, but cmon, he's not going to average over 30 minutes a game.

Also, Asik and Lin are actually pretty good trade assets, whereas amare is not..You reallythink Morey wants amare on this team at 23 mill next season??

Learn how to basketball!!!

Bro, I am using a technique that will help NY to embrace reality. Sorry if you haven't caught on to the facetiousness, but keeping a sense of humor is mandatory this season considering how badly checkmated NY is.

If you break down the reasons why many of these players are the current squad, you run into exactly what you just said -players aren't what they used to be. So, idk if NY was going for a 75% vet role player roster, hoping each of these vets would have Robert Horry moments in a roll-tide manner, but I understand exactly what you are saying and I am throwing out a suggested trade that, if NY were capable of making the trade, they wouldn't have a team so bad that it would need such a trade in the first place.

The sooner NY accepts the fact that they need to correct the silliness of this roster, the better off they will be.

I could post trade suggestions that make more sense, but the fact is if all of these players are really that far over the hill then there really aren't many options.

[Greenie]

Why are other teams fans here?

[Fat]

Suns receive - Carmelo, Shump

Knicks receive - Okafor, M.plumlee, Green, two 1st round 2014 picks

With the 2 draft picks received from the suns

Knicks draft

- Sam Dekker
- Jahii Carson

Tank the 2014-15 season for Jahlil Okafor

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksgEp4fMTk[/youtube]

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[SuperflyKnick]

[quote="Nyk_Fatboy"]Suns receive - Carmelo, Shump

Knicks receive - Okafor, M.plumlee, Green, two 1st round 2014 picks

With the 2 draft picks received from the suns

Knicks draft

- Sam Dekker
- Jahii Carson

Tank the 2014-15 season for Jahlil Okafor

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksgEp4fMTk[/youtube]

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So basically I shudnt purchase league pass for another 2 yrs

[SF_Warriors]

Lol!

Yup.

Well, I guess NY is screwed if the players I mentioned are so worthless. I was under the impression that they could carry their own weight. Wasn't MWP once known as the premier perimeter defender?

If Asik heads to another team, he will most likely end up a journeyman.

This is not based on wrapping all these players in a pretty bow....this is based on how they will be embraced and what they can make of their careers. I suppose there is a financial hurdle to get over. My understanding is NY is more interested in what players can become in their fair city so long as you can make the numbers work.

Dwight, Amare, and MWP would have an incredibly simplified situation and would thrive. Houston has Harden for scoring along with Dwight. By simplifying the rest of the roster, HOU can achieve more.

As for NY, now they have Chandler, Asik, Bargs, Melo, Martin .....much healthier and simplified frontcourt. Melo's going to have to play the defense MWP was brought in to play. Plus NY now has the backcourt assets to upgrade PG a bit.

Bro, you need to realize that just because a guy was once a good player, does not make it so in the present.
By your logic, they can throw in Brandon Roy in there and he'll be able to play like a quality starter, which he once was.

Asik and Lin are actually good players TODAY, and are actually improving as bpth are young and have not been decimated by injuries in their career.

I still have hope for amare, but cmon, he's not going to average over 30 minutes a game.

Also, Asik and Lin are actually pretty good trade assets, whereas amare is not..You reallythink Morey wants amare on this team at 23 mill next season??

Learn how to basketball!!!

Bro, I am using a technique that will help NY to embrace reality. Sorry if you haven't caught on to the facetiousness, but keeping a sense of humor is mandatory this season considering how badly checkmated NY is.

If you break down the reasons why many of these players are the current squad, you run into exactly what you just said -players aren't what they used to be. So, idk if NY was going for a 75% vet role player roster, hoping each of these vets would have Robert Horry moments in a roll-tide manner, but I understand exactly what you are saying and I am throwing out a suggested trade that, if NY were capable of making the trade, they wouldn't have a team so bad that it would need such a trade in the first place.

The sooner NY accepts the fact that they need to correct the silliness of this roster, the better off they will be.

I could post trade suggestions that make more sense, but the fact is if all of these players are really that far over the hill then there really aren't many options.

OL..okay well, in that case,
Shump, JR AND chris smith, and amare for LMA and Batum works for me