Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[nate33]

Man why is every team popping up in trade rumors except us. What is grunfeld doing?

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To be fair, Grunfeld's office doesn't leak much. Lack of rumors is not necessarily a lack of activity.

[SterlingThunder]

Man why is every team popping up in trade rumors except us. What is grunfeld doing?

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Hopefully his job. The trade rumors that "pop up" typically don't happen, they are there to simply stir the pot and create interest/test the waters.

[Dat2U]

Man why is every team popping up in trade rumors except us. What is grunfeld doing?

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Our trade options are somewhat limited because of a lack of assets that other teams want (Ariza or Porter?) and the inability to take on any salary because were right up against the luxury tax line.

We can't even cut a guaranteed contract and sign a veteran without getting dangerously close to paying the tax.

[jivelikenice]

Changing the subject (awww), should the Wiz make a run at Faried? He's playing 24 minutes a game and taking a lot of criticism for his defense (and his defensive on/off numbers are terrible). Still, his PER is over 19, he remains a tremendous rebounder, and he's an efficient scorer (though one that lacks shooting range). I get the impression Denver is looking to trade him before his rookie contract runs out (after next season).

Yes, they should. As a low-minute starter, Faried faces just about the toughest competition possible.

Would you offer Otto? That's the only piece I can see being of interest to them unless they'd trade him for less in exchange for taking a contract off their hands (i.e. Wilson Chandler?)

Ariza/ Booker for Hickson/ Chandler works. Denver gets 2 expirings and Ariza has been better than Wilson this yr.

[ozthegandp]

Man why is every team popping up in trade rumors except us. What is grunfeld doing?

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Hopefully his job. The trade rumors that "pop up" typically don't happen, they are there to simply stir the pot and create interest/test the waters.

yeah but im there are not even rumors of any activity or any interest in any player. hell we're not even mentioned as a possible destination for any player known to be on the block.

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[Dark Faze]

Ariza for Asik straight up.

I've seen enough of Gortat already to tell he isn't the rim protector we need to be successful. Get Asik now, give Porter the minutes he needs to develop and use Gortat as a bench guy until we move him at the deadline for bench depth.

[nate33]

Ariza for Asik straight up.

I've seen enough of Gortat already to tell he isn't the rim protector we need to be successful. Get Asik now, give Porter the minutes he needs to develop and use Gortat as a bench guy until we move him at the deadline for bench depth.

It would be nice, but I just don't see Houston pulling the trigger.

If we did this, I would follow up by trading Gortat to OKC for Perkins and Adams. With Asik and Adams manning the paint, we'd have the center position taken care of for years. All that would be left would be to somehow acquire a quality stretch four.

[jivelikenice]

Why dont we just bring Satoransky over instead of trading his rights?

Guarantee he is better than Maynor

Guarantee he's too slow to play the point in the NBA.

He can't be slower than Maynor. Maynor can't even get us into out offense until there are about 7 seconds left on the clock. He's a potential combo guard. No reason to give him away unless he's the final piece a team needs to make a trade that would give us a potential piece to the puzzle.

[Weganator]

Why dont we just bring Satoransky over instead of trading his rights?

Guarantee he is better than Maynor

Guarantee he's too slow to play the point in the NBA.

He can't be slower than Maynor. Maynor can't even get us into out offense until there are about 7 seconds left on the clock. He's a potential combo guard. No reason to give him away unless he's the final piece a team needs to make a trade that would give us a potential piece to the puzzle.

I'm a big fan of Sato, I think the bigger concern is he won't want to come over here and get the 'Jan Vesely Development' treatment where he doesn't get any PT because our coach is always one step away from being fired so he is afraid to develop talent.

The Lin trade was just an idea that crossed my mind because I find it unlikely Sato will ever want to play for DC and much less likely if Ves ends up leaving at the end of the year.

[Dark Faze]

Whats disappointing is that there are rumors that Morey would settle for a 1st.

Ernie strikes out again, we could have had Asik for the same deal as we used for Gortat most likely. Emeka would have been great as a backup center in the playoffs and late in the season for them as well.

That Adams move sounds great though.

[Ruzious]

Why dont we just bring Satoransky over instead of trading his rights?

Guarantee he is better than Maynor

Guarantee he's too slow to play the point in the NBA.

He can't be slower than Maynor. Maynor can't even get us into out offense until there are about 7 seconds left on the clock. He's a potential combo guard. No reason to give him away unless he's the final piece a team needs to make a trade that would give us a potential piece to the puzzle.

You have as good a chance as Sato to being the final piece a team needs for anything - unless there's a new NBA quota for big slow Eruo PG's.

[nate33]

Whats disappointing is that there are rumors that Morey would settle for a 1st.

Ernie strikes out again, we could have had Asik for the same deal as we used for Gortat most likely. Emeka would have been great as a backup center in the playoffs and late in the season for them as well.

That Adams move sounds great though.

Rumor is that we offered Okafor and a protected 1st for Asik before we made the offer for Gortat, but Houston declined. At the time, Morey was driving an unreasonably hard bargain and demanding two 1st round picks in any Asik trade. I think the market is finally convincing Morey that he isn't going to get what he wants.

[Nivek]

Changing the subject (awww), should the Wiz make a run at Faried? He's playing 24 minutes a game and taking a lot of criticism for his defense (and his defensive on/off numbers are terrible). Still, his PER is over 19, he remains a tremendous rebounder, and he's an efficient scorer (though one that lacks shooting range). I get the impression Denver is looking to trade him before his rookie contract runs out (after next season).

Yes, they should. As a low-minute starter, Faried faces just about the toughest competition possible.

Would you offer Otto? That's the only piece I can see being of interest to them unless they'd trade him for less in exchange for taking a contract off their hands (i.e. Wilson Chandler?)

Ariza/ Booker for Hickson/ Chandler works. Denver gets 2 expirings and Ariza has been better than Wilson this yr.

I would, and I continue to think Porter is going to be a good pro. Faried is already extremely productive, he's young, and he fits a need. Plus, he's exactly the kind of guy who gets undervalued by other GMs, so it's reasonably likely that he's going to be underpaid for the production he provides even when he gets his next contract. Plus, it locks in a young PF for the close to inevitable (at least in my view) re-signings of Gortat and Ariza.

[jivelikenice]

So that would leave us with a lineup going forward of....
Wall/?
Beal/Webster/Rice
Ariza/Webster
Faried/ Nene
Gortat/Nene

Depending on what they could do to fill the combo guard hole, what kind of upside does that team have?

[Ruzious]

Yes, they should. As a low-minute starter, Faried faces just about the toughest competition possible.

Would you offer Otto? That's the only piece I can see being of interest to them unless they'd trade him for less in exchange for taking a contract off their hands (i.e. Wilson Chandler?)

Ariza/ Booker for Hickson/ Chandler works. Denver gets 2 expirings and Ariza has been better than Wilson this yr.

I would, and I continue to think Porter is going to be a good pro. Faried is already extremely productive, he's young, and he fits a need. Plus, he's exactly the kind of guy who gets undervalued by other GMs, so it's reasonably likely that he's going to be underpaid for the production he provides even when he gets his next contract. Plus, it locks in a young PF for the close to inevitable (at least in my view) re-signings of Gortat and Ariza.

You've convinced me, fwiw (that and $1.25 will get you a chocolate glazed donut at Dunkin Donuts).

[Ruzious]

So that would leave us with a lineup going forward of....
Wall/?
Beal/Webster/Rice
Ariza/Webster
Faried/ Nene
Gortat/Nene

Depending on what they could do to fill the combo guard hole, what kind of upside does that team have?

Pretty good if you can get a bench. So far, our GM has not been able to do that.

[Dark Faze]

Whats disappointing is that there are rumors that Morey would settle for a 1st.

Ernie strikes out again, we could have had Asik for the same deal as we used for Gortat most likely. Emeka would have been great as a backup center in the playoffs and late in the season for them as well.

That Adams move sounds great though.

Rumor is that we offered Okafor and a protected 1st for Asik before we made the offer for Gortat, but Houston declined. At the time, Morey was driving an unreasonably hard bargain and demanding two 1st round picks in any Asik trade. I think the market is finally convincing Morey that he isn't going to get what he wants.

That's good to know. Unfortunate it had to work out that way.

[Dark Faze]

My only concern with Faried is how much better is he than Booker really? Stats seem similar. Faried is clearly better, but I wonder how much of that is him just being healthier and getting more development on a team that didn't have an option at PF.

In either case I wouldn't trade Porter for him and I'd still be shocked if we extended Ariza at this point. Yes, he's performing better this year, but his role is the same and he was still hitting the long ball at a nice clip last year. I don't understand why we'd draft Porter if we thought extending both Webb and Trevor were real possibilities.

It would have made more sense to move Porter during the draft while his value was at its highest or maybe traded down to get Adams and or Len, maybe even going with Noel.

[dckingsfan]

NBA Players Not going anywhere

Nene Hilario, Bradley Beal, Martell Webster, John Wall

NBA Players not locked down

Trevor Booker, Marcin Gortat, Trevor Ariza

TBD

Otto Porter Jr., Glen Rice Jr.

Time to Go

Al Harrington, Jan Vesely, Kevin Seraphin, Chris Singleton, Eric Maynor and Garrett Temple

It seems like you need 8 or 9 NBA players and 1-2 superstars or near superstars to compete.

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I just don't see the plan at this point. I guess we can hope that Wall/Beal turn into superstars. But we could easily lose Gortat/Booker/Ariza at the end of the year and be down to 4 legit NBA players while hoping that Porter/Rice make a quick jump.

Seeing as how Maynor/Harrington were the signings for last year - it doesn't leave me hopeful.

[ozthegandp]

how bout maynor and seraphin for ridnour. the bucks are trying to develop their young guys and tank so ridnour isnt getting any playing time.

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