Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

klemen4 · Post #581 » by **klemen4** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:55 pm

This will go done tomorrow 23:59

But looks like Bos offer is on the table, its up to Houston!

smith2373 · Post #582 » by **smith2373** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:56 pm

Valid wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
Valid wrote:Yeah except Waiters wants to go to Philly. It's not necessarily like Waiters has much of a choice in the matter because he doesn't have a no-trade clause, but I don't really want a to get a player who is going to be disgruntled because he'll be battling for minutes at the 2-guard spot.

Well Waiters would be the 6th man here just like he is in Cleveland. But I highly, highly doubt Ainge could pull off Green for Asik & Waiters anyway.

Well I think one of the main reasons Waiters wants out of Cleveland is BECAUSE he's the sixth man.

But his numbers are significantly better as a 6th man as opposed to him starting, and he was a 6th man in college. I thought he wanted out of Cleveland because he hated Kyrie, and he & Mike Brown didn't get along?

Admittedly I don't know much about Waiters locker room situation.

Banks2Pierce · Post #583 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:56 pm

My thoughts are:

Green + 1st rounder = bad
Green only = OK
Bass + 1st rounder = OK
Hump + 1st rounder = OK

Anyone in a different boat? There's obviously little non-entities like Marshon Brooks that could be included that don't swing my pendulum either way.

KGboss · Post #584 » by **KGboss** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:57 pm

Waiters wants to be a top 1-3 option on a team, not a 6th man.

Rondo
Waiters
Green
Sully
Asik

Thats a good start right there, and waiters would be a top option for sure. Problem is, Bradley or Crawfish would have to go to make room. I am not really willing to do that at this moment, BUT if you think Waiters could be BETTER than Bradley/Crawford - its a gamble, but you take it.

Celts17Pride · Post #585 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:59 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:My thoughts are:

Green + 1st rounder = bad
Green only = OK
Bass + 1st rounder = OK
Hump + 1st rounder = OK

Anyone in a different boat? There's obviously little non-entities like Marshon Brooks that could be included that don't swing my pendulum either way.

Honestly the only one I would do is the last one. Hump and a pick. Maybe Bass and filler but no pick.

Post #586 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:02 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:My thoughts are:

Green + 1st rounder = bad
Green only = OK
Bass + 1st rounder = OK
Hump + 1st rounder = OK

Anyone in a different boat? There's obviously little non-entities like Marshon Brooks that could be included that don't swing my pendulum either way.

last two are ok. throw in lee and it's a win for us.

not crazy about giving up green for asik. not that i'm a big jeff green fan, but that's a sideways move asset-wise.

Celts17Pride · Post #587 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:05 pm

The bottom line is if the Celtics don't get Asik it means Ainge wasn't willing to overpay for him. It's a win/win for the Celtics IMO. They will either get Asik or some other team will over pay for him.

Valid · Post #588 » by **Valid** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:10 pm

smith2373 wrote:
Valid wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
Well Waiters would be the 6th man here just like he is in Cleveland. But I highly, highly doubt Ainge could pull off Green for Asik & Waiters anyway.

Well I think one of the main reasons Waiters wants out of Cleveland is BECAUSE he's the sixth man.

But his numbers are significantly better as a 6th man as opposed to him starting, and he was a 6th man in college. I thought he wanted out of Cleveland because he hated Kyrie, and he & Mike Brown didn't get along?

Admittedly I don't know much about Waiters locker room situation.

I think it's a combination of a few things, and being relegated to the bench hasn't helped even though he was a sixth man at Cuse. He's had a few really good games since being moved to the pine (he was starting earlier in the year), but he's also laid a ton of eggs, too.

bbd24 · Post #589 » by **bbd24** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:10 pm

ryaningf wrote:
Valid wrote:
ryaningf wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveBHoop/status/413390935129473024[/tweet]

[Sad trombone]

Meh, I'm not sad, as this likely entails that Houston is still asking for too much.

You're probably right, but from my POV Ainge is dealing from a position of strength and thus won't be giving in to HOU's demands no matter what. The sad trombone comes out because it appears we weren't able to get Asik for little more than a late 1st rounder.

Don't you think he's worth more than just a late first rounder ? Not many Center's out there right now to be had and his position is one that is a tough get in the NBA these days. The value would appear to be worth far more than a late 1st.

Valid · Post #590 » by **Valid** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:11 pm

bbd24 wrote:
ryaningf wrote:
Valid wrote:Meh, I'm not sad, as this likely entails that Houston is still asking for too much.

You're probably right, but from my POV Ainge is dealing from a position of strength and thus won't be giving in to HOU's demands no matter what. The sad trombone comes out because it appears we weren't able to get Asik for little more than a late 1st rounder.

Don't you think he's worth more than just a late first rounder ? Not many Center's out there right now to be had and his position is one that is a tough get in the NBA these days. The value would appear to be worth far more than a late 1st.

You have to take into consideration his situation in Houston. Yes, he may be worth a bit more than that, but he wants out. The Rockets have no leverage here whatsoever.

eris · Post #591 » by **eris** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:15 pm

klemen4 wrote:This will go done tomorrow 23:59

But looks like Bos offer is on the table, its up to Houston!

Actually, I think any trade probably needs to be done today, at latest sometime tomorrow afternoon.

The big reason Houston wants to do it before 12/20 is the 60 day wait rule in the CBA. They want to trade for assets that they could re-move at the February deadline. If they wait until the very last second, they might not have time to pull off that next trade at the trade deadline. They need to get the negotiations done, physicals taken, all points finalized *and* get the deal approved by the League Office well before 23:59 tomorrow night.

mwhis21 · Post #592 » by **mwhis21** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:17 pm

Valid wrote:
bbd24 wrote:
ryaningf wrote:
You're probably right, but from my POV Ainge is dealing from a position of strength and thus won't be giving in to HOU's demands no matter what. The sad trombone comes out because it appears we weren't able to get Asik for little more than a late 1st rounder.

Don't you think he's worth more than just a late first rounder ? Not many Center's out there right now to be had and his position is one that is a tough get in the NBA these days. The value would appear to be worth far more than a late 1st.

You have to take into consideration his situation in Houston. Yes, he may be worth a bit more than that, but he wants out. The Rockets have no leverage here whatsoever.

To me, this has been a clinic on media spin by the Rockets. I can't remember a team in less of a power position than Houston right now (player that wants out, big contract, self-imposed deadline), yet still has managed to publicly boost that player's value in the eyes of the media. Classic case of playing the media like a fiddle IMO.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #593 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:22 pm

A 3 way deal between Boston, Cleveland and Houston doesn't look like a good match, since Cleveland wants Green, but doesn't have a sf to send to Boston. Might need a 4th team, like Philly, to help complete a complicated trade.

Banks2Pierce · Post #594 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:30 pm

Hmmm Woj vs. Bulpett. Probably the 2 guys we've gotten the most scoops from on our team for the last 5 years.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #595 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:30 pm

IMO Jeff Green is more valuable than Asik. Yeah Asik is a 7ft tall defensive big which is hard to find in the NBA I get it, but let's give Jeffhis proper value also. Jeff Green is a 6'8, super quick and athletic guy who can defend the 2-4 positions at a high level while scoring 17ppg on extremely efficient ways and is just now starting to rebound the ball a lot more. Not to mention he's locked up for another 3 years at a reasonable price for the things he does for us. This would be an awful trade for the Celtics if it's Green going and I can't believe Danny is even considering giving up Jeff. Houston has 0 leverage here. Asik wants out, they HAVE to trade him, anybody who throws major assets at them is foolish. Bass, Brooks and the Clippers first is MORE than enough. Beggers can't be choosers. The minute Asik publicly asked for a trade, Houston lost any chance they had of getting what they wanted for him. They now need to settle for what is the best package they are offered. If I'm trading Jeff I'm packaging him along with 2-3 more assets for a star player, not a rich mans Kendrick Perkins.

ItBeBrianYo · Post #596 » by **ItBeBrianYo** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:30 pm

After all these years of needing a big man who can defend and rebound, this is not the year I expected to get one, that's for sure!

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #597 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:30 pm

mwhis21 wrote:
Valid wrote:
bbd24 wrote:
Don't you think he's worth more than just a late first rounder ? Not many Center's out there right now to be had and his position is one that is a tough get in the NBA these days. The value would appear to be worth far more than a late 1st.

You have to take into consideration his situation in Houston. Yes, he may be worth a bit more than that, but he wants out. The Rockets have no leverage here whatsoever.

To me, this has been a clinic on media spin by the Rockets. I can't remember a team in less of a power position than Houston right now (player that wants out, big contract, self-imposed deadline), yet still has managed to publicly boost that player's value in the eyes of the media. Classic case of playing the media like a fiddle IMO.

Gotta hand it to the new school of GMs - being able to use social media is definitely a skill. The Masai fleecing of the Knicks in the Carmelo deal is another great example of using media outlets as a way of getting two teams to bid against each other.

freddiebutch · Post #598 » by **freddiebutch** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:34 pm

Woj bomb

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/413405218358194178[/tweet]

klemen4 · Post #599 » by **klemen4** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:36 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6m

The Boston Celtics are gaining traction in talks to acquire Houston center Omer Asik, league sources tell Yahoo Sports

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Wojnarowski is the only guy I believe and whatever he publishes is true. Almost always he is the first one when trades happen.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #600 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:36 pm

At nearly the same time Bulpett tweets out that Celtics are 'sitting tight' and 'not pursuing anything' while Woj tweets that Celtics are 'gaining traction'.

Either Bulpett is getting fed lies from Celtics (kinda obvious he's getting info from them) or he's being led purposely or he's in on it for information down the road.

Or perhaps, Woj's sources are coming from a view that the Celtics latest offer on the table increasingly looks like the best one and Celtics are sitting back at this point.

I tend to think its the first option, but it is all interesting nonetheless.

I have a feeling Jeff is not involved 8-)