Official Thread -- Wizards at Nets (12/18/13)

[dobrojim]

Looking forward to the Nets catching and soon passing the Wizards for good in the Eastern Conference standing over the next week or so.

I can't bring myself to that. Sorry.

[GeeWiz]

Need Nene to make sure Blatche doesn't get to go into celebration mode tonight.
Or Booker or Ves or whoever.

Webster should start over Beal tonight...he has much better size to contend
with Johnson who just came off a monster game. His monster game could
cut either way though. It might give him (JJ) the freedom to keep chucking
even if it's not going in like it was on Monday.

Starting Webster should make it easier to keep Beal under 30 minutes
as well as allowing Beal to go more against less physical players than JJ.

no way. Dont overthink things. Beal is a top notch player. You dont bench him because of size. Size also works both ways. Beal should be too quick for him.

Furthermore, dont forget that Pierce doesnt start anymore. Anderson does. He's a solid player but Beal can guard him if size is a problem and let Ariza guard Johnson. Thats what I expected anyways. Let Webster matchup with Pierce off the bench

Beal has been inconsistent and his PPA is lower than Webster. Webster IS more of
a 'top notch' player than Beal /right now/. 2 years from now I hope and somewhat
expect that to be different than it is right now. And I don't look at it as a benching
per se. Beal is still going to play and probably for about the same amount of time.
I just think Webster has the potential to defend JJ better than Beal does.

I wouldn't call that overthinking. I would call that drawing your conclusions from the
actual data, both their respective size and results to date.

But maybe as you say it won't matter because TA will guard JJ and let Beal take on
the lessor challenge.

Start Beal, but if things get out of hand, the put Webster or Trevor A on JJ. No need to bench the kid after he hit a game-winner.


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[nuposse04]

I just looked at KG's stats this season, he is atrocious. Stick a fork in him. Pierce is fairly middling as well. The nets are in an even worse long term situation then us. Their expensive role players will break down. They better hope they opt for retirement.

[nate33]

Start Beal, but if things get out of hand, the put Webster or Trevor A on JJ. No need to bench the kid after he hit a game-winner.

Agreed. I like to play match-ups as much as the next guy, but I think it's a bad idea to constantly shuffle the starting rotation just to try and make things line up right.

[Nivek]

Didn't listen to the "Daily Wizdom" with Glen Consor and Dave Johnson, but the headline is downright silly. Something about Brooklyn having the best starting 5 in the NBA. Umm, no. That'd be San Antonio. Maybe Miami. Definitely not Brooklyn.

[Nivek]

I just looked at KG's stats this season, he is atrocious. Stick a fork in him. Pierce is fairly middling as well. The nets are in an even worse long term situation then us. Their expensive role players will break down. They better hope they opt for retirement.

You're very generous to Pierce. Both Pierce and Garnett have been awful this season. And Jason Terry has been even worse yet. Quite the trade they pulled off.

[Ruzious]

I just looked at KG's stats this season, he is atrocious. Stick a fork in him. Pierce is fairly middling as well. The nets are in an even worse long term situation then us. Their expensive role players will break down. They better hope they opt for retirement.

You're very generous to Pierce. Both Pierce and Garnett have been awful this season. And Jason Terry has been even worse yet. Quite the trade they pulled off.

Danny Ainge has done quite the job as a GM. Part of a GM's job is to identify suckers (Kevin McHale and the Nets' owner for example) and deal with them. He's done that as well as anyone.

[dobrojim]

Didn't listen to the "Daily Wizdom" with Glen Consor and Dave Johnson, but the headline is downright silly. Something about Brooklyn having the best starting 5 in the NBA. Umm, no. That'd be San Antonio. Maybe Miami. Definitely not Brooklyn.

I like Glen and have become a 'friend', really more of a close acquaintance.
But I do think he misses the mark sometimes. One thing I don't like is when
he says 'I'm not a stats guy'. Stats are what they are. The thing I notice about
many people who think/talk similarly is that they actually are stats guys when the stats
back up what they already believe. When they don't, they blame the messenger
and start yammering about how stats don't tell the 'whole story'.

If BKN had the PP/KG/Jet/DWill of 4 years ago and the Lopez of this year,
he'd have a much better argument.

Just because their payroll is among the highest doesn't mean their team is
the best.

The 'best starting 5' comment could just be advanced rationalization if we lose or
hyping if we win.

[dlts20]

Need Nene to make sure Blatche doesn't get to go into celebration mode tonight.
Or Booker or Ves or whoever.

Webster should start over Beal tonight...he has much better size to contend
with Johnson who just came off a monster game. His monster game could
cut either way though. It might give him (JJ) the freedom to keep chucking
even if it's not going in like it was on Monday.

Starting Webster should make it easier to keep Beal under 30 minutes
as well as allowing Beal to go more against less physical players than JJ.

no way. Dont overthink things. Beal is a top notch player. You dont bench him because of size. Size also works both ways. Beal should be too quick for him.

Furthermore, dont forget that Pierce doesnt start anymore. Anderson does. He's a solid player but Beal can guard him if size is a problem and let Ariza guard Johnson. Thats what I expected anyways. Let Webster matchup with Pierce off the bench

Beal has been inconsistent and his PPA is lower than Webster. Webster IS more of
a 'top notch' player than Beal /right now/. 2 years from now I hope and somewhat
expect that to be different than it is right now. And I don't look at it as a benching
per se. Beal is still going to play and probably for about the same amount of time.
I just think Webster has the potential to defend JJ better than Beal does.

I wouldn't call that overthinking. I would call that drawing your conclusions from the
actual data, both their respective size and results to date.

But maybe as you say it won't matter because TA will guard JJ and let Beal take on
the lessor challenge.

I think that is way too small of a sample size. Look, I like Web but there is no way I can watch him & Beal play and say if I had one game right now, who would I take. I would stilll take Beal. I still like his game overall better right now. Im not even talking about age or potential.

Beal wasnt playing perfect but it was early. Wall wasnt playing great either. Beal sucked teh whole 1st half of last year. You can tell he came into this season just thinking he was on the verge of stardom and could average 25ppg. It was assisted by Wall being passive. I think sitting & watching will help him. I expect his percentages to go way up right now after watching.

As for size & defense, my point is this. If he's your guy then he's your guy. JJ is going to have a size advantage on him forever so are you going to bench him that game in the future also? If you are good then you are good. Everyone has there advantages. JJ might light him up in the post. Its up to Beal to overcome that, atleast on the other end. This is what makes you better. You dont bench him. You go the oppostie way and force him to play against things like that because he will need to. All in all though, I think Ariza will guard him since he's pretty hot right now

[mohammed10]

^ What happened? Did Lopez sprain his neck looking away from Pine's game thread?

Pine's game threads have become our secret weapon. But at what cost?

I do want to see Nene vs Blatche tonight.

Good point. Reading this at work makes me wonder which would be worse,
them thinking I was watching very soft porn at work or someone thinking I
actually thought those 'girls' were attractive.

Was wondering the same thing...opened the game thread and my assistant walked in at that very moment. Needless to say, I was scrambling to downsize the browser! Ha Ha

[dobrojim]

No I wouldn't bench him forever...good/fair question though.

I think coming back off this injury is an opportunity to
matchup better. In no way would I see that as a permanent
thing to do. Unless Martell just gets on an unbelievable hot
streak. Then I might be tempted, until he cooled off.

Beal's 20. And has a very positive approach. I think he
could handle it OK. Beal almost certainly is the future
at SG for us. If I 'bench' him for one game against a guy
I think he would have somewhat more trouble with than
another player on the team, while he is returning from an
injury...hopefully no one goes crazy over that kind of short
term thing. Chemistry wise (offensively for us), it also shouldn't matter.

I guess part of it is when I seen JJ in person at games, he just looks
like a load. Almost MWP like. Martell seems more physically matched to go up against it.

[dlts20]

trust me, I dont like the matchup great but I just think that at some point a guy gets to the level where you dont bench him and I think Beal is there. I mean there are some stretch 4's that could give Nene fits but I wont bench him because of it. Plus, Im always super intrigued by matchups like that. I love to see JJ post up and see how physical Beal can get with him. Then on the other end I love to see how a 6'8 guy is going to stay with a lil quicker guy. All that stuff intrigues me.

Also, its about what are you trading. If you add in Web to match his size, I think the Nets feel like Web is bigger but if JJ is on top of his game like he currently is then JJ is better then Web in everything. However, if its Beal then JJ has some advantages and disadvantages

[nuposse04]

I just looked at KG's stats this season, he is atrocious. Stick a fork in him. Pierce is fairly middling as well. The nets are in an even worse long term situation then us. Their expensive role players will break down. They better hope they opt for retirement.

You're very generous to Pierce. Both Pierce and Garnett have been awful this season. And Jason Terry has been even worse yet. Quite the trade they pulled off.

well i wasn't tryin to be too harsh, fearful the basketball gods will allow them to go off on us >.>

[mohammed10]

well i wasn't tryin to be too harsh, fearful the basketball gods will allow them to go off on us >.>

Good point...but the gods have already inflicted Ernie on us for about a decade. Not much more the hoop gods can do to us at this point.

[nuposse04]

well i wasn't tryin to be too harsh, fearful the basketball gods will allow them to go off on us >.>

Good point...but the gods have already inflicted Ernie on us. Not much more the hoop gods can do to us at this point.

they will deliver a 20-10 performance from Jan one day to us. And blessed will the day be.

[mohammed10]

they will deliver a 20-10 performance from Jan one day to us. And blessed will the day be.

The gods usually grant us a 4, 5 or even 6 game winning streak at the end of another disappointing season, thereby showing they indeed have a cruel sense of humor.

[nuposse04]

they will deliver a 20-10 performance from Jan one day to us. And blessed will the day be.

The gods usually grant us a 4, 5 or even 6 game winning streak at the end of another disappointing season, thereby showing they indeed have a cruel sense of humor.

there is a method to their madness. We shall find deliverance one day. Once we purge ourselves of Ernie we may find absolution and our fortunes will change.

[tontoz]

Note to self.... don't read the first page of pine's game threads while eating.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, 3 pages and we haven't even tipped off yet. I'm smelling a win!

[mohammed10]

Wow, 3 pages and we haven't even tipped off yet. I'm smelling a win!

I'm smelling something else...and it's coming from Ernie's office. Are he and Maynor in a meeting?