Woj: Boston/Houston "serious talks including Bass/Lee/pick"

[OleSchool]

I think some of those assets are coming to Philly, maybe Thad for Lee and whatever pick he gets from Boston?

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Yep, I just posted that. I was wrong

[BleedGreen1989]

If this had been proposed on this board by a regular poster it would have been shot down. The value is too low. If there is a GM out there that believes that Brandon Bass or Courtney Lee are worth their contracts or make a difference I'll just be amazed.

Didn't Ainge sign Courtney Lee away from Morey? WTH has Lee done since that time that would make Morey want him back?

I'm calling it. This trade isn't happening.

I proposed a package based around Bass/Lee a couple weeks ago and pretty much got laughed out of the forum.

[HartfordWhalers]

If this had been proposed on this board by a regular poster it would have been shot down. The value is too low. If there is a GM out there that believes that Brandon Bass or Courtney Lee are worth their contracts or make a difference I'll just be amazed.

Didn't Ainge sign Courtney Lee away from Morey? WTH has Lee done since that time that would make Morey want him back?

I'm calling it. This trade isn't happening.

I proposed a package based around Bass/Lee a couple weeks ago and pretty much got laughed out of the forum.

Did it have a 1st? I personally feel like there is more value in a first, even a late future one, then Lee and Bass combined, so your offer would have been less then half the actual value.

[Saul Goodman]

I like it for both. Houston could then flip that 1st and Lin for an upgrade at the point

[kobe_vs_jordan]

If this had been proposed on this board by a regular poster it would have been shot down. The value is too low. If there is a GM out there that believes that Brandon Bass or Courtney Lee are worth their contracts or make a difference I'll just be amazed.

Didn't Ainge sign Courtney Lee away from Morey? WTH has Lee done since that time that would make Morey want him back?

I'm calling it. This trade isn't happening.

I proposed a package based around Bass/Lee a couple weeks ago and pretty much got laughed out of the forum.

Did it have a 1st? I personally feel like there is more value in a first, even a late future one, then Lee and Bass combined, so your offer would have been less then half the actual value.

I would say for contending teams it is about even. Rockets need players who can play now and future players to replace current players cheaper.

[BleedGreen1989]

If this had been proposed on this board by a regular poster it would have been shot down. The value is too low. If there is a GM out there that believes that Brandon Bass or Courtney Lee are worth their contracts or make a difference I'll just be amazed.

Didn't Ainge sign Courtney Lee away from Morey? WTH has Lee done since that time that would make Morey want him back?

I'm calling it. This trade isn't happening.

I proposed a package based around Bass/Lee a couple weeks ago and pretty much got laughed out of the forum.

Did it have a 1st? I personally feel like there is more value in a first, even a late future one, then Lee and Bass combined, so your offer would have been less then half the actual value.

It's great if you feel that way, but apparently Morey doesn't agree or be would of taken Hump+pick.

I think it's just proof, yet again, that a players RealGM "trade value" is not always correct. People are so confident and so adamant that the value they have set on plYers is accurate and final and they couldn't possibly be wrong.

When in fact, they stock shelves at WalMart and determine plYers value by watching LeaguePass.

Can you tell I'm a little bitter?

[HartfordWhalers]

I proposed a package based around Bass/Lee a couple weeks ago and pretty much got laughed out of the forum.

Did it have a 1st? I personally feel like there is more value in a first, even a late future one, then Lee and Bass combined, so your offer would have been less then half the actual value.

It's great if you feel that way, but apparently Morey doesn't agree or be would of taken Hump+pick.

I think it's just proof, yet again, that a players RealGM "trade value" is not always correct. People are so confident and so adamant that the value they have set on plYers is accurate and final and they couldn't possibly be wrong.

When in fact, they stock shelves at WalMart and determine plYers value by watching LeaguePass.

Can you tell I'm a little bitter?

Sure, I can tell your bitter. What I cannot tell is why you are jumping to therefore Morey would take Hump + pick over over Bass, Lee + pick? There isn't a logic step in there.

[the_process]

Ainge is feeding this directly to Woj. This trade can't go down, it makes no sense. If I were Morey, I would ignore my own deadline if this is the best offer I got.

[FNQ]

Ainge is in the drivers seat now, Morey played this one very poorly.

If POR is the only threat, and BOS really has no reason to take on the overrated Asik and his crazy high salary... why would they include any assets? If I'm BOS, its a steal or no deal. They ought to be focusing on their picks and not making middling improvements to drive them into the late lotto/mid-teens range of the draft.

[jbk1234]

This entire trade depends on the status of the first that is surrendered. If it is the Celtics 2014 pick, then it is worth it. If it a pick in the late twenties, then Houston has to be disappointed with the return. There is no way they move Lee's contract at the deadline without offering an additional asset. The contract for Bass is more neutral value.

[cl2117]

Ainge is in the drivers seat now, Morey played this one very poorly.

If POR is the only threat, and BOS really has no reason to take on the overrated Asik and his crazy high salary... why would they include any assets? If I'm BOS, its a steal or no deal. They ought to be focusing on their picks and not making middling improvements to drive them into the late lotto/mid-teens range of the draft.

I agree with this 100%. Morey has backed himself into a corner and I don't think Celtics fans are going to be upset if this deal doesn't get done, so why not push your luck and try and get a steal?

The only downside for Ainge would be if this deal doesn't happen and he comes up empty trying to find suitors for Lee and Bass on their own. I know one poster cited a tweet from an unnamed GM saying no one wants either of them, but I think given their play this year, experience and fits for a number of teams, I can't see that being true and even less so as we approach the deadline.

I think Danny can be a bit arrogant and a bit of a gambler and I think he should tap into that and try and fleece Morey as much as he can.

Will Boston fans really blame him if they don't get to pay Asik 15m next year and end up with a better 2014 draft pick? I honestly don't think so.

[Knosh]

Ainge is in the drivers seat now, Morey played this one very poorly.

If POR is the only threat, and BOS really has no reason to take on the overrated Asik and his crazy high salary... why would they include any assets? If I'm BOS, its a steal or no deal. They ought to be focusing on their picks and not making middling improvements to drive them into the late lotto/mid-teens range of the draft.

Dallas didn't get much attention in all of this, because they don't have the assets Morey initialy was looking for. But they certainly would want him and if you start talking about Boston not including assets, Dallas certainly is in the mix.

[loserX]

Nothing is official yet. Still a little early to be calling out other posters (or Morey, for that matter)!

[bondom34]

Ainge is in the drivers seat now, Morey played this one very poorly.

If POR is the only threat, and BOS really has no reason to take on the overrated Asik and his crazy high salary... why would they include any assets? If I'm BOS, its a steal or no deal. They ought to be focusing on their picks and not making middling improvements to drive them into the late lotto/mid-teens range of the draft.

Dallas didn't get much attention in all of this, because they don't have the assets Morey initialy was looking for. But they certainly would want him and if you start talking about Boston not including assets, Dallas certainly is in the mix.

This is why I never really got the whole "lets not deal with any competitors" point of view. If this is the deal that's really going to happen, I would have to think he could have gotten something better elsewhere if he had either done this sooner (ie summer when Asik was first unhappy) or just said screw it just trade him for the best value.

[Knosh]

Ainge is in the drivers seat now, Morey played this one very poorly.

If POR is the only threat, and BOS really has no reason to take on the overrated Asik and his crazy high salary... why would they include any assets? If I'm BOS, its a steal or no deal. They ought to be focusing on their picks and not making middling improvements to drive them into the late lotto/mid-teens range of the draft.

Dallas didn't get much attention in all of this, because they don't have the assets Morey initialy was looking for. But they certainly would want him and if you start talking about Boston not including assets, Dallas certainly is in the mix.

This is why I never really got the whole "lets not deal with any competitors" point of view. If this is the deal that's really going to happen, I would have to think he could have gotten something better elsewhere if he had either done this sooner (ie summer when Asik was first unhappy) or just said screw it just trade him for the best value.

Did Morey ever say "lets not deal with any competitors" ?
I get that most rumors are from the East, but iirc one rumor also said they were talking to West teams. Cuban for example has said in the past, that he doesn't want his trade talks to get leaked. For all we know they are the "wildcard"...

[bondom34]

Did Morey ever say "lets not deal with any competitors" ?
I get that most rumors are from the East, but iirc one rumor also said they were talking to West teams. Cuban for example has said in the past, that he doesn't want his trade talks to get leaked. For all we know they are the "wildcard"...

From my understanding, Morey never wanted to deal with any western teams who were seen as competitors. That was why all rumors were from the east.

[Knosh]

Did Morey ever say "lets not deal with any competitors" ?
I get that most rumors are from the East, but iirc one rumor also said they were talking to West teams. Cuban for example has said in the past, that he doesn't want his trade talks to get leaked. For all we know they are the "wildcard"...

From my understanding, Morey never wanted to deal with any western teams who were seen as competitors. That was why all rumors were from the east.

Well there was that Portland rumor earlier today that later was denied by the Blazers. So I figured the Rockets were making that up, which would seem weird if they wouldn't want to talk to competitors.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what they eventually trade him for. But I agree with you. If they don't get the value in the East, they should be talking to everyone.

[RollingWave]

I'd think everyone understand that dealing Asik to OKC would be a disaster for the Rockets (And all other Western playoff teams.)


With how the situation unfolded , its most likely that Houston had no plan of trading Asik when the season started, or they wouldn't have went through the whole punting a dozen game to try the Twin Tower thing. as a player it's obvious that Asik is way more valuable than either Bass or Lee. In retrospect, they should have done the deal in the off season when the situation was more favorable. Houston's twin tower attempt also had the problem that not only were those 2 bad fit offensively, but the other Rockets players were also bad fit with them, because no one on the Rockets are really good catch and shoot off screen players, they're all set shootes.

The only way that Twin tower thing could work to some extend offensively would be to use Asik high screen then the shooter rolling off that screen could knock down shots, they tried that many times but bricked the open shots at a hilarious rate.


As for this trade, would have to have massive faith in Lee and Bass, since neither is movable, Lee especially, granted, Lee has also been a steady shooter which address their issue at the backup 2 spot. Bass however, is a laughably bad fit with what the Rockets do, he takes no corner 3 (or any 3) and shoots almost nothing but 2s, granted, he's been a bit more aggressive going to the rim this year. but his +/- in general have been awful for many years.

[FNQ]

Nothing is official yet. Still a little early to be calling out other posters (or Morey, for that matter)!

Actually let me clarify : its worked out poorly for Morey, but the moves he made were pretty smart. If there is no interest, trying to drum some up in the media is pretty saavy. And stupid GMs might bite on it. The problem here is, the 2 most interested parties are pretty sharp themselves, and were never going to bite.

I just think the reality of Asik's value is hitting the Rockets now. He reminds me a lot of Biedrins in his hey-day, and I think Asik needs a certain set of circumstances to be successful.

[bs_and_cs]

I'm not really sure why the Celtics are so interested in this guy. Brandon Bass is a solid solid player. He isn't perfect, but neither is Asik. I guess I just don't see what is so good about Asik.

Maybe the play by Danny here is to consolidate contracts, but is trading a 1st really worth it? I don't think so.