Woj: Boston/Houston "serious talks including Bass/Lee/pick"

[bs_and_cs]

My only other hope is the goal for Danny is to trade for Asik, consolidate the contracts, then flip him at the deadline to completely absolve the C's of some contracts.

[cellar-door]

I'm not really sure why the Celtics are so interested in this guy. Brandon Bass is a solid solid player. He isn't perfect, but neither is Asik. I guess I just don't see what is so good about Asik.

Maybe the play by Danny here is to consolidate contracts, but is trading a 1st really worth it? I don't think so.

Asik is a real center who protects the rim. Bass is a smallish PF which is where Sullinger plays best.

[LarsV8]

Actually let me clarify : its worked out poorly for Morey, but the moves he made were pretty smart. If there is no interest, trying to drum some up in the media is pretty saavy. And stupid GMs might bite on it. The problem here is, the 2 most interested parties are pretty sharp themselves, and were never going to bite.

I just think the reality of Asik's value is hitting the Rockets now. He reminds me a lot of Biedrins in his hey-day, and I think Asik needs a certain set of circumstances to be successful.

I think the reality is nothing has happened yet and to make any sort of analysis at this point indicates a preconceived bias.

[FNQ]

Sure, ok. This is the return and market you expected then? Teams stumbling over themselves to not be interested?

[LarsV8]

I am not personally involved in the negotiations.

I have no idea what the offers are.

[FNQ]

I'd say Woj is a reliable source... what do you think of an offer like Bass/Lee/Clips '15 1st?

Bottom line is that if deal is being seriously considered, what a few Rockets fans considered Asik to be worth was way off. Happens to every fanbase, but accepting this offer would represent a significant departure from what a lot of Rockets fan expected, right?

With Jones emerging, it hardly matters. All that matters is getting future assets to deal in future trades anyways.

[HartfordWhalers]

I'd say Woj is a reliable source... what do you think of an offer like Bass/Lee/Clips '15 1st?

Bottom line is that if deal is being seriously considered, what a few Rockets fans considered Asik to be worth was way off. Happens to every fanbase, but accepting this offer would represent a significant departure from what a lot of Rockets fan expected, right?

With Jones emerging, it hardly matters. All that matters is getting future assets to deal in future trades anyways.

Bass Lee LAC 1st I think Boston did very well (although unprotected picks, Chris Paul's knees, and who knows you could get lucky).
Bass Lee and a '14 1st and I think Houston did well.
Bass Lee and that '17 Brooklyn pick and I have no idea. So, look for that? Or 3 picks? or none?

[jbk1234]

I'd say Woj is a reliable source... what do you think of an offer like Bass/Lee/Clips '15 1st?

Bottom line is that if deal is being seriously considered, what a few Rockets fans considered Asik to be worth was way off. Happens to every fanbase, but accepting this offer would represent a significant departure from what a lot of Rockets fan expected, right?

With Jones emerging, it hardly matters. All that matters is getting future assets to deal in future trades anyways.

Bass Lee LAC 1st I think Boston did very well (although unprotected picks, Chris Paul's knees, and who knows you could get lucky).
Bass Lee and a '14 1st and I think Houston did well.
Bass Lee and that '17 Brooklyn pick and I have no idea. So, look for that? Or 3 picks? or none?

Exactly. If it's a pick that is higher than 15th in the draft, then you are getting a project or role player. If it is lower than 15, you could be getting a stud.

[Knosh]

Bass Lee LAC 1st I think Boston did very well (although unprotected picks, Chris Paul's knees, and who knows you could get lucky).
Bass Lee and a '14 1st and I think Houston did well.
Bass Lee and that '17 Brooklyn pick and I have no idea. So, look for that? Or 3 picks? or none?

A '14 pick? So Bostons own pick or the less favorable of Atlanta/Brooklyn?
I see both of them out of the lottery (if you assume Asik is in Boston), so I wouldn't agree that that's good for Houston.

The '16 unprotected Brooklyn pick is probably the best pick Houston can get from Boston. Williams and Johnson still under contract that year, for a combined $45M, and not much else going for them. It is pretty far down the road, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you plan on using it as a trade asset.

[HartfordWhalers]

Bass Lee LAC 1st I think Boston did very well (although unprotected picks, Chris Paul's knees, and who knows you could get lucky).
Bass Lee and a '14 1st and I think Houston did well.
Bass Lee and that '17 Brooklyn pick and I have no idea. So, look for that? Or 3 picks? or none?

A '14 pick? So Bostons own pick or the less favorable of Atlanta/Brooklyn?
I see both of them out of the lottery (if you assume Asik is in Boston), so I wouldn't agree that that's good for Houston.

The '16 unprotected Brooklyn pick is probably the best pick Houston can get from Boston. Williams and Johnson still under contract that year, for a combined $45M, and not much else going for them. It is pretty far down the road, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you plan on using it as a trade asset.

Okay, you sold me on that. I forgot the Atlanta swap was in the mix.

[jbk1234]

Via the Sporting News:

Celtics president Danny Ainge would prefer to trade the Clippers’ 2015 first-rounder, the pick the team obtained as compensation for allowing LA to sign coach Doc Rivers — the Clippers are likely to be a good team next season, which would lessen the value of the pick. The Rockets would prefer to have a pick in the loaded 2014 NBA Draft. Boston owns its pick and the lesser of the picks between the Atlanta Hawks and Brooklyn Nets.

[bs_and_cs]

I'm not really sure why the Celtics are so interested in this guy. Brandon Bass is a solid solid player. He isn't perfect, but neither is Asik. I guess I just don't see what is so good about Asik.

Maybe the play by Danny here is to consolidate contracts, but is trading a 1st really worth it? I don't think so.

Asik is a real center who protects the rim. Bass is a smallish PF which is where Sullinger plays best.

For a "rim protector" his block rates are rather unimpressive.

Actually, everything about Asik is rather unimpressive.

[parson]

^ Well, THIS year, yeah. Last year's production was impressive.

By "rim protector" it's meant that he keeps scorers away from the basket. Some guys block a ton of shots but get scored on relatively easy inside.

His rebounding is special, too.

[LarsV8]

Actually, everything about Asik is rather unimpressive.

Uh no, he is an elite rebounder and defensive player.

[Sasaki]

I'm not really sure why the Celtics are so interested in this guy. Brandon Bass is a solid solid player. He isn't perfect, but neither is Asik. I guess I just don't see what is so good about Asik.

Maybe the play by Danny here is to consolidate contracts, but is trading a 1st really worth it? I don't think so.

Asik is a real center who protects the rim. Bass is a smallish PF which is where Sullinger plays best.

For a "rim protector" his block rates are rather unimpressive.

Actually, everything about Asik is rather unimpressive.

Is Javale McGee a rim protector now because he gets blocks? Or Deandre? Asik is the opposite of them.

[inquisitive]

there might not be a trade at all....probably the best thing that could happen.

[cellar-door]

I'm not really sure why the Celtics are so interested in this guy. Brandon Bass is a solid solid player. He isn't perfect, but neither is Asik. I guess I just don't see what is so good about Asik.

Maybe the play by Danny here is to consolidate contracts, but is trading a 1st really worth it? I don't think so.

Asik is a real center who protects the rim. Bass is a smallish PF which is where Sullinger plays best.

For a "rim protector" his block rates are rather unimpressive.

Actually, everything about Asik is rather unimpressive.

Rim protector has nothing to do with blocks, in fact a large number of shot blockers are bad defenders.
Asik is currently holding opponents to 43.2% at the rim. By comparison Hibbert and Davis are at 41.7% and 41.8%. Other guys considered top defenders like Duncan (43.8%) and Noah (44%) are behind him.

Not sure how a guy who was 2nd in the league in TRB% last year isn't impressive at anything either. He isn't flashy, he doesn't jump out of the gym, but he's an elite rebounder, a top defender, and his offensive efficiency at everything except FT% is very strong.

[JB2]

Danny Ainge: The best GM in the NBA.

I wouldn't act like its some great steal.

Brandon Bass has been playing terrific this season and Lee is shooting the lights out and then Morey gets his 1st round pick he wanted.

I think its a fair deal and a win/win.

For moving a first pick and role players (one good and one average) for a solid NBA starter? Nothing great but like above, it's fair both ways. Though I think slightly overpaying for a guy who Houston has to move.

[zronv7]

clips pick lottery protected

[campybatman]

Considering that Houston has a desire to trade both Asik and Lin, I can see Boston helping Houston if Houston's willing to help Boston.

Personally, I'm not in favor of surrendering a first round pick for Asik. On the other hand, I'm open to this deal if only players are involved in the trade.

Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Donatas Motiejunas and Omri Casspi in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee and Phil Pressey.



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