Who-rod wrote:soxfan2003 wrote:I liked prime Perkins on offense more then Asik but Asik is better defensively. As for what is a fair offer for Asik? First thing you have to look at is his performance vs his contract.
Asik over the next 1 and 2/3rds seasons is arguably slightly underpaid.
As for Bass/Lee... combined they are probably slightly overpaid considering its probably a buyers market right now.
But the amount they are overpaid and Asik underpaid is not that large so giving up more then the Clippers pick top 12 protected is flat out overpaying to balance out the roster defensively. Bass/Lee appear to be professionals who are easy to coach while one has to question whether Asik in the future would accept a reasonable bench role such as 20-24 mpg....if the Celtics could get someone better. If he would ask for another trade that is a major negative.
Over the next 24 hours, Ainge should not be getting into a bidding war against himself to go for Asik unless he already has other trades *lined up* that turn the Celtics into a championship contender this year with Asik being a component that can't realistically be replaced.
Asik' trade value on Houston at least probably won't go up near the deadline..... It should go down since he will be sitting on the bench a couple more months and teams will only be able to take advantage of his smaller salary this year for half a season instead of 2/3rds a season.
The length of Asik's contract is also a minor negative at least. If you are acquiring a player that isn't a max player and giving up a first rounder, you don't want him to expire after next year. In itself, this isn't the reason to not do a deal but its a real negative.
Unless the Celtics plan to acquire Asik now and trade him at the deadline, a deal like this only makes sense IMHO if Ainge is willing to go all in this season.
Ideally Asik would have 2 more years left on his deal after this one or if you were real confident in his abilities/health 3 years after this one. But after next year, he may be paid more going forward since he will go into those contract negotiations as a starter and that is not such a good thing.
I disagree on "prime Perk offense". Perk cannot catch the ball. I can't even count how many times Rondo hit him in the hands for an open dunk, and his process of gathering for the dunk led to either a strip turnover, a cumbersome pass back out, or a scrum. Asik does not have the best hands, but they are much better, and I think Rondo would get the best out of him.
I'd take prime Perkins offense over Asik any day. I recognize Perkins had his limitations even before his injury but I just think Asik has even more limitations. Looking that the numbers, it appears as though he is just as bad with turnovers when you account for scoring/assists as well.
Before his injury, Perkins had a 3 year stretch where his TS% was around/over 61% on average. Granted he was helped by some great floor spacing and defenses focusing on other players but its not like Asik hasn't played with some talent/floor spacers as well. Still that is significantly better shooting then anything Asik has done and its not like Perkins is taking advantage of low volume in comparison to Asik.
So I agree with you that Perkins had trouble catching the ball and quickly finishing at times but Perkins did actually have an effective/underrated post up game against single teams when he actually shot the ball.
