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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1461 » by BullsFTW » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:25 pm

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KingCuban wrote:Both are raw and have a heap of potential that could make them anything, but you always take the premier big over the wing.

Embiid. No question.


I used to share this sentiment but given the recent history of this team as well as draft big after draft big that doesn't ever seem to reach his lofty potential, I think our best choice would be Marcus Smart. He fits the identity of this team defensively but also fills the need of someone that can create his own shot/a second playmaker. He's stocky and athletic enough to play either guard spot as well and would be a high/instant impact guy (arguably the favorite for rookie of the year out of this historically talented but young crop, particularly if he's a big time contributor on a contending team like I'm assuming we'll be next season). Exum would be an outstanding choice as well and with a healthy Rose would arguably be the better fit down the line. I think with a likelihood of Noah, Taj, and Mirotic in the front court that drafting another big shouldn't be the priority over filling a glaring need that has been our achilles heel for some time.

I agree with Smart. Orlando loves him from what I read, and I could see the Kings and Bucks wanting Smart as well if they have the 4th overall selection. He is NBA ready and has the intangibles and attitude you would want to bring in a struggling franchise.

Exum could be the better player, but he needs time and patience, which would make him coming to Chicago ideal. He can be our 6th man next year, while Deng (hopefully he is re-signs) and Butler are the starting wings.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1462 » by Ralphb07 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:55 pm

BullsFTW wrote:I agree that the Top 3 is inevitably Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid. After that it gets interesting. I personally believe that if the Kings or Magic have the #4 Pick, they select Marcus Smart. He's more of a PG than Exum is, and Smart is also NBA ready. If the Sixers get the #4 Pick, I think Randle is their guy. He would be a nice pick-up and become part of promising young nucleus along with MCW and Noel. This means if the Bulls land the #5 Pick, then drafting Dante Exum becomes a strong possibility.

I think the Bulls are just mentally drained. Our defense is there, but our offense is atrocious. When you have the third option as your main scorer, then you will not do well on offense.


If Parker, Wiggins and Embiid go 1-3 like we do (in what order I don't know). I like Exum or Smart over Randle if we are in the top 6. What's great about this draft is 1-6 will really depend on who is picking where.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1463 » by DanTown8587 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:22 pm

If the best player on the board is Randle, I'd love to trade the pick. Draft picks on draft night have super high value and there doesn't seem to be anyway that Randle and Mirotic play at the same time.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1464 » by Ralphb07 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:36 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:If the best player on the board is Randle, I'd love to trade the pick. Draft picks on draft night have super high value and there doesn't seem to be anyway that Randle and Mirotic play at the same time.


Another thing to keep in mind is landing a top 6 pick in this draft makes it easier to move up IMO. So if we like Smart (just and example folks) and he might be gone at 6, it should be easy to trade pick 6 and something to get to 4 and land the guy we want.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1465 » by BullsFTW » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:57 pm

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BullsFTW wrote:I agree that the Top 3 is inevitably Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid. After that it gets interesting. I personally believe that if the Kings or Magic have the #4 Pick, they select Marcus Smart. He's more of a PG than Exum is, and Smart is also NBA ready. If the Sixers get the #4 Pick, I think Randle is their guy. He would be a nice pick-up and become part of promising young nucleus along with MCW and Noel. This means if the Bulls land the #5 Pick, then drafting Dante Exum becomes a strong possibility.

I think the Bulls are just mentally drained. Our defense is there, but our offense is atrocious. When you have the third option as your main scorer, then you will not do well on offense.


If Parker, Wiggins and Embiid go 1-3 like we do (in what order I don't know). I like Exum or Smart over Randle if we are in the top 6. What's great about this draft is 1-6 will really depend on who is picking where.


The Top 3 is guaranteed in my opinion, and I can see one or both Smart and Randle getting picked ahead of Exum, just because they are NBA ready. With that being said, I would be ecstatic if the Bulls drafted Exum.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1466 » by BullsFTW » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:01 pm

GimmeDat wrote:I facepalm when looking at Cleveland's recent picks, seriously, if they just made the obvious choices instead of reaching for guys they'd have a really nice young core.

Personally, if I was them, Randle's too good to pass up on at that stage, but Hood's probably a better pick for them. For all we know the Cavs will reach and take Isaiah Austin though :lol:

Next on the list would be the Grizz it appears.. would they take Randle? They already have his clone in Randolph, and as a somewhat competitive team they may want to draft based on need.

Randle could really fall in theory.

(^ I should point out that I think it's about time the Grizz blew it up, in which case taking Randle would be a perfectly good choice)


I think the Sixers and Kings will like Randle. I believe he will do really well on his workouts.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1467 » by BullsFTW » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:02 pm

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DanTown8587 wrote:If the best player on the board is Randle, I'd love to trade the pick. Draft picks on draft night have super high value and there doesn't seem to be anyway that Randle and Mirotic play at the same time.


Another thing to keep in mind is landing a top 6 pick in this draft makes it easier to move up IMO. So if we like Smart (just and example folks) and he might be gone at 6, it should be easy to trade pick 6 and something to get to 4 and land the guy we want.


I personally prefer Exum, but I'd be content with Smart.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1468 » by da pmp » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:20 pm

Smart will never go before Exum, that's a joke. Smart reminds me of Mark Jackson for some reason. I think it's a foregone conclusion one of the 2 guys on Kansas goes #1, after that it's Parker or Exum. There aren't any potential stars after that.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1469 » by Ralphb07 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:07 pm

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DanTown8587 wrote:If the best player on the board is Randle, I'd love to trade the pick. Draft picks on draft night have super high value and there doesn't seem to be anyway that Randle and Mirotic play at the same time.


Another thing to keep in mind is landing a top 6 pick in this draft makes it easier to move up IMO. So if we like Smart (just and example folks) and he might be gone at 6, it should be easy to trade pick 6 and something to get to 4 and land the guy we want.


I personally prefer Exum, but I'd be content with Smart.


Red gave me a good scouting report on Smart (I'm not a big college follower). He seems like he could be a nice fit and blend in with our culture.

Everyone has their preference of guys and I get that, my question to everyone is if someone told them Marcus Smart would be joining Rose and Nikola next year a lot would be thrilled.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1470 » by patryk7754 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:49 pm

I think if we get the second or lower the first thing we should try to do is to package the pick and taj and a future pick got love. outside of Parker no has a chance of being as good as him. If we do land a 2 or below we should try to trade it to a team with two first like Orlando who has the rights to either the Knicks or Nuggets pick. Orlando drafts randle or wiggins. We draft smart or exum with the magic pick, young or hood with the cats pick, and draft payne, McGary, or, Austin with the second magic pick
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1471 » by 23forever » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:06 pm

da pmp wrote:Smart will never go before Exum, that's a joke. Smart reminds me of Mark Jackson for some reason. I think it's a foregone conclusion one of the 2 guys on Kansas goes #1, after that it's Parker or Exum. There aren't any potential stars after that.


By Mark Jackson do you mean the average NBA defender and below average NBA athlete that made his living off of passing and backing opposing PGs down from half court? He's like the Marcus Smart that projects to be an elite defender in the NBA and explosive NBA athlete that makes his living off of creating his own offense and in the open court? I'm not quite seeing the connection here.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1472 » by Jory04 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:15 pm

patryk7754 wrote:I think if we get the second or lower the first thing we should try to do is to package the pick and taj and a future pick got love. outside of Parker no has a chance of being as good as him. If we do land a 2 or below we should try to trade it to a team with two first like Orlando who has the rights to either the Knicks or Nuggets pick. Orlando drafts randle or wiggins. We draft smart or exum with the magic pick, young or hood with the cats pick, and draft payne, McGary, or, Austin with the second magic pick


So you want to go from pre-season championship contender this year, to rolling out four rookies, and a second year Snell next season? I dont see it.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1473 » by patryk7754 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:30 pm

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patryk7754 wrote:I think if we get the second or lower the first thing we should try to do is to package the pick and taj and a future pick got love. outside of Parker no has a chance of being as good as him. If we do land a 2 or below we should try to trade it to a team with two first like Orlando who has the rights to either the Knicks or Nuggets pick. Orlando drafts randle or wiggins. We draft smart or exum with the magic pick, young or hood with the cats pick, and draft payne, McGary, or, Austin with the second magic pick


So you want to go from pre-season championship contender this year, to rolling out four rookies, and a second year Snell next season? I dont see it.

Maybe I worded it poorly.
Scenario 1- we get the number one pick and draft Parker and young or hood with the cats pick
Rose/Kirk/Teague
Butler/Snell
Parker/CHA pick/Dunleavey
Mirotic/Taj
Noah/FA


Scenario 2- we get the 2nd or lower and try to package it for love draft young or hood with the cats pick
Rose/Kirk/Teague
Butler/Snell
CHA/Dunleavey
Love/Mirotic
Noah/Taj

Scenario 3- We trade the 2nd or 3rd pick to the magic for multiple quality picks. Right now the magic have the 4th and 23rd. We draft smart or exum with the magic pick, young or hood with the cats pick, and a big mand with the second magic pick
Rose/Kirk/Teague
4th/Snell
Butler/CHA pick/Dunleavey
Mirotic/Taj
Noah/23rd

These would be our three best case scenarios. The deng and boozer situations are unaffected by this since their futurewith the bulls seems to have already been decided. Amd you can't compare this preseason' s expectations to next year's since boozer and deng are most likely gone
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1474 » by No-Man » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Bulls need Brooklyn and NY to improve and reach at least a 6th pick.
Exum will be a perfect fit with this team needs, also LaVine.

If I'm a Bulls fan, being ralistic (no way you end up out tanking Phila, Milwaukee, Utah, or Orlando) those two, along with Smart, are the guys I want.

Rose
Exum or LaVine-Snell
Butler
Mirotic-Gibson
Noah

That's cool, just wait until Deng gets traded.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1475 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:05 pm

Lavine's coming out party will be tonight against Duke. Watch DX put him the lottery by next week after tonight's game. ESPN will start riding him hard too.

I am looking forward to watching how Jordan Adams plays against Hood as well. I think Adams could sneak into top 20 in this draft when its all said and done.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1476 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:40 pm

Yo Ram

Have you gotten a chance to watch Alphabet's big brother Thanasis at all? I was curious with how he looks in the D-League.

Maybe a 2nd round option for us?
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1477 » by Action Paxson » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:51 pm

It would be nice if we could fast forward until May. Hopefully all of the top 7 guys come out.

It is very tough to project who will be picking in the top 7.

Bucks, Jazz, and 76ers are probably going to be the 3 worst teams. After that, the Bulls could very much enter the race if they trade Deng. Bulls, Kings, Magic, Raptors are probably the next group of bad teams. The Grizzlies could tank, much like the Bulls. The arrow seems to be pointing up on the Kings. I fully expect the Cavs, Nets, and Knicks to pull it together and make the playoffs.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1478 » by Red Larrivee » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:23 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:If the best player on the board is Randle, I'd love to trade the pick. Draft picks on draft night have super high value and there doesn't seem to be anyway that Randle and Mirotic play at the same time.


Or you could just take Randle and play Mirotic off the bench or vice versa. It's a great problem to have. Randle has big upside.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1479 » by Ralphb07 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:44 pm

Red, Manual or whoever. Does getting Marcus Smart allow us to use Rose off ball more and in spot up situations at times allowing Smart to handle the ball and attack. Will that work effectively for us?

That's the feeling I get but I don't nearly watch as much as you guys.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1480 » by wonderboy2 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:45 pm

23forever wrote:
KingCuban wrote:Both are raw and have a heap of potential that could make them anything, but you always take the premier big over the wing.

Embiid. No question.


I used to share this sentiment but given the recent history of this team as well as draft big after draft big that doesn't ever seem to reach his lofty potential, I think our best choice would be Marcus Smart. He fits the identity of this team defensively but also fills the need of someone that can create his own shot/a second playmaker. He's stocky and athletic enough to play either guard spot as well and would be a high/instant impact guy (arguably the favorite for rookie of the year out of this historically talented but young crop, particularly if he's a big time contributor on a contending team like I'm assuming we'll be next season). Exum would be an outstanding choice as well and with a healthy Rose would arguably be the better fit down the line. I think with a likelihood of Noah, Taj, and Mirotic in the front court that drafting another big shouldn't be the priority over filling a glaring need that has been our achilles heel for some time.

I would be so dissapointed if we picked smart and we had a top draft pick. Hes the one guy I dont want becuase he wont be able to break his man down off the dribble at the next level vs good quick defensive guards. Smart also gets blown by routinely by smaller quick guards because of lack of lateral quickness. There are so many better options out there if you have a high pick. Smart wont be able to bully his way to the hoop like he does in college becuase even the smaller guards in the league are strong and they are very crafty.

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