Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[Kerrsed]

Tobias Harris, Wilson Chandler, Thad Young, Jeff Green etc. Why do we need them? Am I the only one who thinks that these guys aren't much better than the Morris twins?

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i really like chandler, but i'm on the same page as you. the morris twins are playing great and getting better. why trade them? i love the team we have and unless an all-star type player becomes available i think we stick it out with the guys we have.

Im a big Chandler guy myself, ive been a fan since his days in NYC.

Not to mention a lot more expensive. I think McD has his sights set a little higher.

I agree too. I know he mentioned a "star" player, and that is left open to interpretation, but one of the guys that i think could really fit in well here is Deng. With the Bulls trying to bail out of their sinking ship (and looking to rebuild), im sure Deng could be had very easily and for very cheap. Okafor + a draft pick could very well get it done.

Deng is statistically having a great year. 19/7/4 with great defense would give our starting 5 a bit of a boost that could really help us if we make that play-off push. Even though he seems like he is old and has been around forever, he is only 28 (1 year older than Dragic/ 2 years younger than Frye).

Now, i dont think they would do it, but i would also try to snag Noah as well. I'd up the offer to Deng/Noah for Okafor/Frye/Len (if they want him) and 3 of our 4 first round picks. Even though they look to be tanking with Rose out for the season and really have no need for Frye (included in this trade to make the $$$ work), im sure they could turn around and trade him to a contender for some young talent that they do want. But like i said, obtaining Noah would be a stretch, but getting Deng would be totally possible.

[Ring_Wanted]

If you are making such a big move and getting Noah and Deng, you need to keep Frye and send them Green plus fillers. With the kind of offense we have, he is a key role player, especially with Dragic.

[Saberestar]

I wouldn't call Tobias Harris a good 3 pt shooter. He is shooting 15% this year. Did you mean in comparison to Archie Goodwin?

He has been injured this season, ankle.He has played just 5 games and he is in preseason mode now.
Last year, he played 27 games with Orlando and his stats were 17.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.1 apg and 1.4 bpg with 31% at 3p (1.0 of 3.2 atempts)

Ok, I give you that,he probably is not a good 3p shooter right now, but he is decent at least and can be better very soon, he was progressing a lot before the injury.

My offer: Gerald Green + Ind's pick + Wiz's' pick + future first protected pick for T.Harris and some filler that Orlando do not want ( like Big Baby's contract for example) We have cap space to make this trade.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just suggest three firsts for Tobias Harris. Good young player, but come on...

Dont forget that he also added that we would take on an undesirable contract like Big Babys!

Well, I see Harris like a future All Star, and his numbers last year in Orlando (plus he is only 21 years old) make him looks like that. I know that 3 first round picks seems too much, but those picks will be in the twenties for sure, so their value will not be that high in my opinion.
Big Baby's contract it was an example...and he can be easily traded because he has value around the league and only one more year under contract.

The most important thing with this offer, in my opinion, is that we do not lose any core player ( not even Frye or Len for example)...we only add a very good young player with huge upside and we will have a ton of picks in the next few years anyway.

[thamadkant]

Tobias Harris, Wilson Chandler, Thad Young, Jeff Green etc. Why do we need them? Am I the only one who thinks that these guys aren't much better than the Morris twins?

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i really like chandler, but i'm on the same page as you. the morris twins are playing great and getting better. why trade them? i love the team we have and unless an all-star type player becomes available i think we stick it out with the guys we have.

Im a big Chandler guy myself, ive been a fan since his days in NYC.

Not to mention a lot more expensive. I think McD has his sights set a little higher.

I agree too. I know he mentioned a "star" player, and that is left open to interpretation, but one of the guys that i think could really fit in well here is Deng. With the Bulls trying to bail out of their sinking ship (and looking to rebuild), im sure Deng could be had very easily and for very cheap. Okafor + a draft pick could very well get it done.

Deng is statistically having a great year. 19/7/4 with great defense would give our starting 5 a bit of a boost that could really help us if we make that play-off push. Even though he seems like he is old and has been around forever, he is only 28 (1 year older than Dragic/ 2 years younger than Frye).

Now, i dont think they would do it, but i would also try to snag Noah as well. I'd up the offer to Deng/Noah for Okafor/Frye/Len (if they want him) and 3 of our 4 first round picks. Even though they look to be tanking with Rose out for the season and really have no need for Frye (included in this trade to make the $$$ work), im sure they could turn around and trade him to a contender for some young talent that they do want. But like i said, obtaining Noah would be a stretch, but getting Deng would be totally possible.

I've been thinking about this for the last 2 days.

Ideally... If the Suns could have plug 2 players with this current lineup and blend in...
Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince... Prime of course.



Since that's not possible... What's closest?


Noah and Deng...


C: Noah / Kravtsov / Len
PF: Frye / Morris / Morris
SF: Deng / Tucker
SG: Dragic / Green / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Smith


My trade offer would be...
Okafor + Wizards pick + Pacers pick + Plumlee


Plumlee is a nice player... But Noah is a superior version of him. Who could benefit Len long term also...

[JMac1]

I've been thinking about this for the last 2 days.

Ideally... If the Suns could have plug 2 players with this current lineup and blend in...
Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince... Prime of course.



Since that's not possible... What's closest?


Noah and Deng...


C: Noah / Kravtsov / Len
PF: Frye / Morris / Morris
SF: Deng / Tucker
SG: Dragic / Green / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Smith


My trade offer would be...
Okafor + Wizards pick + Pacers pick + Plumlee


Plumlee is a nice player... But Noah is a superior version of him. Who could benefit Len long term also...

Read this:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... gar-forman

We could easily do Deng and Noah, but would we want to? We could give up Indy's pick and Okafor for Deng and Washington pick, Plumlee, and fillers and still keep Frye, Len, Goodwin, and our pick for Noah; but I don't think that make sense per McD

it doesn't make us good short and LONG term!

[thamadkant]

At first I too didn't think it made the Suns better that much.

But Noah and Deng fit the Suns current lineup like a glove.

This is of course talking about having a two PG system that dominates the ball handling responsibility and triggers most of the ball movement.

Deng can spot up and finish, he reinforces the defense.
Noah can scrap up and put back misses and he anchors the paint.



As long as the Suns don't part away with the 2015 Lakers pick, their own 2014 and 2015 picks and both Len and Goodwin.... It isn't a detrimental move.
McD probably has his eyes set higher though...


I look at the competition... And with Deng an Noah... they can match up well with Thunder and Spurs.
This is assuming the bench of Morris brothers, Tucker, Green, Goodwin continue their level of contribution.



But as I said... If McD has his sights higher then that's good!


I think trading away half the team for Someone like Love is a slight step back. It'll be similar to the Nuggets / Knicks trade.... It would gut the suns depth too much.
If it was just for picks and Okafor then that's not a bad direction at all.

[Bluejay]

In:Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes
Out:Emeka Okafor/Pick(s)

I think this would be a decent trade for the Suns. You get an offensive minded player in Turner who has upside. I think he would benefit defensively from being on the Suns, he can work on his 3PT to hopefully improve it without it being needed constantly and he wants to be on a team that's competing so will play better. Hawes would give you another credible outside threat besides Frye and the two can be pieces on multiple rotations at the 4/5. Not to mention you shore up C when Plumlee gets in foul trouble.

The downsides are that Len will most likely not be developed fully this year but he is hurt so it might not be that big of a downside. The addition of those two players gives you a sneaky good team to compete and win the Western conference. Hawes/Freye along with two mobile guards will be extremely hard to guard especially in separate rotations. There is relatively little risk for a high reward upside. The draft picks while valuable taper off after the top 10 historically and If it fails Hawes is unloaded when the season is over and Evan Turner can be shipped out next year as an expiring for the 2016-2017 FA market. I think Philadelphia will unload both of these players pretty cheaply compared to what you would get from other teams too so you might even get to keep 1 pick in this scenario. If the experiment works though you could have found the two pieces that make the suns a contender for years to come.

[SunZel]

I like the idea of getting both Deng and Noah. I think we could be championship contenders with that lineup as long as Bledsoe continues to get better. Sometimes its not about the names but the chemistry and system, and i think they would both thrive in the Horny System.

[Frank Lee]

Im a big Chandler guy myself, ive been a fan since his days in NYC.

of all the guys mentioned, he seems like the most realistic

Denver has 5 or 6 guys locked into 2-3 yr deals, with little cap space to do anything. Something has to give up there, eventually. They had rumors of peddling Faried too at one time. Just not sure either is worth the price tag to get them/keep them.

Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince... Prime of course.

Since that's not possible... What's closest?

Noah and Deng...

Dude, Noah is no where near the baller Sheed was. Wallace had a skill set that was unique, and its hard pressed to find anyone now or in the past that echoed him.

A deal like that with Chi has to be initiated by Chi, for they would be tossing the towel in.


I think McDo has done his part by announcing we have picks for sale. Now the spider can sit back, waiting for the fly.


PS....I see trade rumors about ZBo are swirling....

[Cutter]

At first I too didn't think it made the Suns better that much.

But Noah and Deng fit the Suns current lineup like a glove.

This is of course talking about having a two PG system that dominates the ball handling responsibility and triggers most of the ball movement.

Deng can spot up and finish, he reinforces the defense.
Noah can scrap up and put back misses and he anchors the paint.



As long as the Suns don't part away with the 2015 Lakers pick, their own 2014 and 2015 picks and both Len and Goodwin.... It isn't a detrimental move.
McD probably has his eyes set higher though...


I look at the competition... And with Deng an Noah... they can match up well with Thunder and Spurs.
This is assuming the bench of Morris brothers, Tucker, Green, Goodwin continue their level of contribution.



But as I said... If McD has his sights higher then that's good!


I think trading away half the team for Someone like Love is a slight step back. It'll be similar to the Nuggets / Knicks trade.... It would gut the suns depth too much.
If it was just for picks and Okafor then that's not a bad direction at all.

good post UPZ

[thamadkant]

Im a big Chandler guy myself, ive been a fan since his days in NYC.

of all the guys mentioned, he seems like the most realistic

Denver has 5 or 6 guys locked into 2-3 yr deals, with little cap space to do anything. Something has to give up there, eventually. They had rumors of peddling Faried too at one time. Just not sure either is worth the price tag to get them/keep them.

Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince... Prime of course.

Since that's not possible... What's closest?

Noah and Deng...

Dude, Noah is no where near the baller Sheed was. Wallace had a skill set that was unique, and its hard pressed to find anyone now or in the past that echoed him.

A deal like that with Chi has to be initiated by Chi, for they would be tossing the towel in.


I think McDo has done his part by announcing we have picks for sale. Now the spider can sit back, waiting for the fly.


PS....I see trade rumors about ZBo are swirling....

I agree with the Wallace thing...

And the Noah bit was for the defense inside the paint.... As I said Wallace would of been the perfect PF for any of the current Suns team.

Noah atleast I can envision as that interior pest and anchor.

I suppose both Deng and Noah's impact I compared to Wallace/Prince's impact... Closest big/wing combo defensive / role playing impact.

[Blackification]

is deng expiring this year? Could we get deng and noah then get hayward in the offseason if deng expires?

[DirtyDez]

is deng expiring this year? Could we get deng and noah then get hayward in the offseason if deng expires?

Deng is a FA. We could sign Hayward to an offer-sheet but the Jazz could match.

Man, Turner is ballin' right now. Good scorer, passer and rebounder but the lineup just doesn't compliment him...

[bwgood77]

is deng expiring this year? Could we get deng and noah then get hayward in the offseason if deng expires?

Deng is a FA. We could sign Hayward to an offer-sheet but the Jazz could match.

Man, Turner is ballin' right now. Good scorer, passer and rebounder but the lineup just doesn't compliment him...

I know, Turner and Young both had excellent games. I'm guessing it wouldn't take much to get Turner for sure, and possibly Young, but I'm not sure how they fit. If PJ and Frye are not long term pieces, they could possibly plug right in, but they are pretty expensive, so it's probably not worth the upgrade (or for what we need which is 3 pt shooting, in that area, it's a downgrade). There is a thread someone created in the Trades and Transactions forum with Young and Turner going to Phx.

[Kerrsed]

Turner did have a great game, but he also played 47 minutes to score that much.

His previous 4 game?

9 points
3 points
24 points
13 points.

[Revived]

Evan Turner is good but he requires having the ball in his hands to be good.

We already have two ball dominant players, can't have a 3rd one.

[Revived]

Tobias Harris, Wilson Chandler, Thad Young, Jeff Green etc. Why do we need them? Am I the only one who thinks that these guys aren't much better than the Morris twins?

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Doesn't matter if their not better than the Morris twins, their all better than PJ Tucker and younger too with better size and potential.

Wilson Chandler would be a very nice upgrade at starting SF.

[guaves13]

Any conversations about a "Godfather" offer to the Wolves for Love? He fits our needs to a T. Solves our ancient rebounding issues from day 1. Slides into the starting lineup seamlessly while still spreading the floor ala Channing. Couldn't find a better running mate for Plumlee. Miles does everything that Love doesn't. Runs, jumps, blocks shots + good post defense. Frye goes to the bench and helps them spread the floor even more.

Okafor + Len + 3-4 1sts should be enough to get it done. They may want us to take a bad contract as well. Nothing they have on the books would be a deal breaker for me. If they deal Love it would make having a middle aged vet like Kevin Martin pointless.

For the Wolves Pekovic and Len down the road would seem to fit better than Pekovic and Love. They get the best haul they possibly could for Love, who is probably going to leave after his last guaranteed year anyway.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[Ring_Wanted]

Any conversations about a "Godfather" offer to the Wolves for Love?

Okafor + Len + 3-4 1sts should be enough to get it done.

Of course he is the Suns' wet dream (along with 90% of the L).

But in order to make the Wolves to accept that package, you would trully need to put some bleeding heads under their sheets or bring Luca and a gun, as that's an offer easily beatable by the majority of teams, no matter how orange and purple colored are your glasses.

Imagine you are willing to give up basically everything not constituting what would be the core and essential rotation.

It would be an offer like this: Okafor, all the picks in 2014 and 2015 but one (Indiana's), 1stR 2017, Archie Goodwin, Alex Len the Morii and Green.

Feel free to find a third team that could help by sending Minni something they would prefer instead of Okafor/Morrii/Green, supposedly the proverbial youngs+draft.

Would you do it? I would, no hesitation. It would leave us with a rotation of Bledsoe, Goran, supposedly Tucker, Love and Miles plus Frye, maybe Green, a couple of rookies and whatever you get with the remaining cap space.

Still, I think Minni would look at other teams before us, especially the ones with a top 5-7 pick this year, but the key could be the player forcing his way to a playoff team. One can dream.

[guaves13]

Find me a team that has the assets to "easily" beat 3-4 1st's, a recent top 5 pick, and cap relief. The list is so small it doesn't exist.