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Post#1501 » by robbie84 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:18 am

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ParticleMan wrote:i would be surprised if lee's last year is the big holdup. yes i know morey want to not take on additional salary beyond asik's current deal, but why exactly? it's not like they are likely to be lining up big cap space, they are a contending team. plus, can't ainge just throw in $3mil and offset the majority of lee's last year? it's not like lee is worthless, he's overpaid but he is still a solid rotation guy.


Asik and Lin both come off the books after next season. If Houston decides not to let Parsons test free agency next summer, they can hold him till the following summer. Because of Parsons and Beverley's low cap holds that year, they can use the free cap space from having Asik+Lin off the books (a combined $16.6M cap savings) to offer a near-max contract in free agency to a 3rd star. And then they can use bird rights to go over the cap and retain Parsons and Beverley.

A contract that extends beyond Asik/Lin's contract destroys that scenario. They could potentially have enough cap space for 2 max contracts (Howard, Harden) and 3rd near max contract in free agency ($16.6M), and still pay huge raises to Parsons/Beverley/whoever using bird rights afterwards.

The keys to that scenario are the low capholds/qualifying offers for Parsons/Bev + the free cap space from Asik/Lin. Replace Asik with Lee's longer contract and the Rockets won't be able to go under the salary cap enough to open up free cap space for a near max contract to a free agent.

The $3M cash that Ainge can throw in doesn't help alleviate the cap concerns 2 yrs from now. They've got a rich owner who doesn't care about $3M cash. As a matter of fact, Morey asked for and received permission from the owner to waste money during training camp by overpaying and giving guaranteed money for guys they're almost sure to cut. So I doubt the $3M cash Ainge can throw in matters to them (Houston just spent $7M to renovate their locker room this year). It's not like they have a penny-pinching owner like PHX. They want future cap space.


But that doesn't make much sense for a contending team. Houston already has its big-name guys in place in DH and Harden. What they need are good complementary players. You're not going to attract that by only offering 1-year deals this offseason. Maybe Morey thinks they are not going to contend until 2016, and they need one more big-name FA to do it. If so I guess that makes more sense, but it seems like you're throwing away valuable contending years in some misguided attempt to potentially land another big-name FA in 2 years, without even knowing if the right guy will even be available.

But if that's really the holdup, I'm surprised that Ainge doesn't offer Crawford instead of Lee. Yes his D is worse but his offense is better, and he gives you good insurance at the pg spot. At the rate he's playing, Crawford is in line for a bigger payday than Lee has now, and i don't think we can afford that. Yes it leaves us w/o a pg until rondo gets back but lee did a creditable job at pg before, and pressey is improving.


Danny doesn't want Lee's deal. If Morey wants to get out of paying Asik's massive money whilst having a shot at contending then he must take Lee back from us.
Danny isn't taking on Asik and Lee for 13 million on our cap for the next 2 years.
The whole point of this deal is shedding salary whilst gaining a guy that might work out for us and shine with Rondo around the hoop ala Perkins.
He's moving a disgruntled player who's going to be harder to trade as time goes on and teams get less time to trial him with their squads. He's also needs Bass now to give him a good 50 games to adjust to the Rockets system and fit in comfortably for a playoff run.
AND he needs them before the 20th of December so he can potentially trade them again.
But yeah, Danny wants Lee's deal gone. Bass isn't hard to move, Lee is hard to move. Crawford is easy to move like Bass so giving up Crawford would be wasting opportunity for something better down the track.

We don't really know what Danny is prepared to give up at this point because it's just media speculation and rumors. At this point Danny's making it appear he cares more about moving Lee than acquiring Asik. If Morey wants to get out of Asiks 15 million and wants a pick he's gonna have to take Courtney Lee's 5 million.
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1502 » by spaceballer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:47 am

ParticleMan wrote:
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ParticleMan wrote:i would be surprised if lee's last year is the big holdup. yes i know morey want to not take on additional salary beyond asik's current deal, but why exactly? it's not like they are likely to be lining up big cap space, they are a contending team. plus, can't ainge just throw in $3mil and offset the majority of lee's last year? it's not like lee is worthless, he's overpaid but he is still a solid rotation guy.


Asik and Lin both come off the books after next season. If Houston decides not to let Parsons test free agency next summer, they can hold him till the following summer. Because of Parsons and Beverley's low cap holds that year, they can use the free cap space from having Asik+Lin off the books (a combined $16.6M cap savings) to offer a near-max contract in free agency to a 3rd star. And then they can use bird rights to go over the cap and retain Parsons and Beverley.

A contract that extends beyond Asik/Lin's contract destroys that scenario. They could potentially have enough cap space for 2 max contracts (Howard, Harden) and 3rd near max contract in free agency ($16.6M), and still pay huge raises to Parsons/Beverley/whoever using bird rights afterwards.

The keys to that scenario are the low capholds/qualifying offers for Parsons/Bev + the free cap space from Asik/Lin. Replace Asik with Lee's longer contract and the Rockets won't be able to go under the salary cap enough to open up free cap space for a near max contract to a free agent.

The $3M cash that Ainge can throw in doesn't help alleviate the cap concerns 2 yrs from now. They've got a rich owner who doesn't care about $3M cash. As a matter of fact, Morey asked for and received permission from the owner to waste money during training camp by overpaying and giving guaranteed money for guys they're almost sure to cut. So I doubt the $3M cash Ainge can throw in matters to them (Houston just spent $7M to renovate their locker room this year). It's not like they have a penny-pinching owner like PHX. They want future cap space.


But that doesn't make much sense for a contending team. Houston already has its big-name guys in place in DH and Harden. What they need are good complementary players. You're not going to attract that by only offering 1-year deals this offseason. Maybe Morey thinks they are not going to contend until 2016, and they need one more big-name FA to do it. If so I guess that makes more sense, but it seems like you're throwing away valuable contending years in some misguided attempt to potentially land another big-name FA in 2 years, without even knowing if the right guy will even be available.

But if that's really the holdup, I'm surprised that Ainge doesn't offer Crawford instead of Lee. Yes his D is worse but his offense is better, and he gives you good insurance at the pg spot. At the rate he's playing, Crawford is in line for a bigger payday than Lee has now, and i don't think we can afford that. Yes it leaves us w/o a pg until rondo gets back but lee did a creditable job at pg before, and pressey is improving.


They probably want to trade for contracts like Asik/Lin, i.e., guys who can contribute to a championship run this year and next, but whose contracts run out after next season. That way if things don't work out or if they need to tweak the roster, they can use their free cap space to go after a big fish.

That window the summer that Asik/Lin expires is an important window for them, because it will be the final window where they can grab a big fish in free agency with a near-max contract. After that off-season, they'll be capped out after giving fat new contracts to Parsons (primarily), Beverley, and whoever else. From that point onwards, after Parson's raise, that team will be capped out and locked in for the rest of their Harden/DH contention window. And they'll only have MLE's with which to improve the team in future free agencies.

They're pretty set at PG with Beverley to cover up Harden's lack of defense in the 1st unit, Lin off the bench, and Aaron Brooks for bench scoring/injury insurance. And they have a rookie PG in the D-League being trained up. So Crawford's ability to play PG doesn't help as much, unless they plan to move Lin or Beverley (Aaron Brooks has veto power over trades). And their key weakness in the backcourt (and their team overall) is defense, much of it stemming from the horrific Harden effort on D (Aaron Brooks is pretty bad at D, too). So any weakness on defense from Crawford would only serve to amplify the deficiencies from Harden, which are horrible enough as it is.

But as the clock ticks down, Asik is only going to lose value due to the balloon payment. Less and less of this current year's underpaid salary will be available to defray the cost of next year's payout, for whatever team trades for him. So Morey might have to settle for less than ideal trades if he wants to move Asik. He's asking for the moon and he won't get it, he'll be lucky to come out even.
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Post#1503 » by spaceballer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:15 am

robbie84 wrote:If Morey wants to get out of paying Asik's massive money whilst having a shot at contending then he must take Lee back from us.

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If Morey wants to get out of Asiks 15 million and wants a pick he's gonna have to take Courtney Lee's 5 million.


That's where you make the wrong turn. Morey is trying to get rid of a disgruntled player that will lose value as time goes on, and what he considers good value back. But he's NOT trying to get out of paying massive money.

If Asik was willing to play backup, Morey would be more than happy to pay Asik for the rest of his contract.

Morey doesn't have an aversion to paying massive money (the owner isn't a penny pincher). The Rockets are not paying luxury tax or anywhere near the tax line, and Asik is only $8.3M against the cap. You could probably even get him to throw in the annual $3M cash that teams are allowed to use(if he could throw in more cash, he probably would have). He would likely even be willing to take back contracts for substantially more money than Asik (he just doesn't want contracts that are longer than Asik).

He doesn't have an aversion to paying massive money. What he has an aversion to is paying long term money that destroys his potential "near-max" free agency plans for the summer of 2015. It's not the size of the contract that makes him balk, but the length of Lee's contract (that final year that cuts into that key off-season).

If he could trade Asik for a contract that had an identical balloon payment, he would. He's not making this move to save money.
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Post#1504 » by robbie84 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:31 pm

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robbie84 wrote:If Morey wants to get out of paying Asik's massive money whilst having a shot at contending then he must take Lee back from us.

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If Morey wants to get out of Asiks 15 million and wants a pick he's gonna have to take Courtney Lee's 5 million.


That's where you make the wrong turn. Morey is trying to get rid of a disgruntled player that will lose value as time goes on, and what he considers good value back. But he's NOT trying to get out of paying massive money.

If Asik was willing to play backup, Morey would be more than happy to pay Asik for the rest of his contract.

Morey doesn't have an aversion to paying massive money (the owner isn't a penny pincher). The Rockets are not paying luxury tax or anywhere near the tax line, and Asik is only $8.3M against the cap. You could probably even get him to throw in the annual $3M cash that teams are allowed to use(if he could throw in more cash, he probably would have). He would likely even be willing to take back contracts for substantially more money than Asik (he just doesn't want contracts that are longer than Asik).

He doesn't have an aversion to paying massive money. What he has an aversion to is paying long term money that destroys his potential "near-max" free agency plans for the summer of 2015. It's not the size of the contract that makes him balk, but the length of Lee's contract (that final year that cuts into that key off-season).

If he could trade Asik for a contract that had an identical balloon payment, he would. He's not making this move to save money.


You're hearing me (reading me :p ) wrong. He doesn't want Asik's 15 million (the huge 'gulp' on entire Asik proposal saga) when Asik is being a sook. The fact is Asik won't play, so he wants to move him before it becomes harder to move that contract of an unhappy player. He doesn't want to spend the cap room or the physical 15 million on a guy that won't play. The only reason I like Asik is because he's great value at 8 million against the cap. The Rockets would love that too, except they're getting nothing from him. The longer they wait, the more desperate and more agitated Asik and his agent become, and Asik's value falls more.
But yeah you're correct he doesn't want Lee's final year.
Re-word : If Morey wants to get back at least 10 million of Asik's 15 million he must take Courntey Lee's third year as a compromise for receiving Bass' versatility on defense and his perfect pick and pop game with Lin/Harden.
He'll guard all the 4's and some 5's in the East as well as some 3's like Melo.
He'll drag Griffin and Zeebo away from the ring with that 15 footer to leave Dwight all alone.
Morey will also be counter-compensated with a pick.
If he doesn't take the deal now he'll regret it.
I'd say there's an excellent chance he's taking the deal before Midnight.
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Post#1505 » by Datruth345 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:53 pm

couple thoughts on brandon bass

Obviously Brandon Bass isn't the sticking point, he has worked himself into a very respectable NBA player. However, 'his shot' seems to be one that the rockets are trying to phase out of there offense, the Midrange jumpshot, so i wonder what Morey really thinks of him.

edit: i thought the #'s would come out different but his last year in Orlando (next to dwight) bass took 67% of his shots 16 feet and in, so far this year he has taken 76% of his shoots 16' and in
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Post#1506 » by Pogue Mahone » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:53 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Why would they repackage them? I think Lee and Bass would be decent role players for Houston. All this trading and roster moves are to affect what goes on on the floor.


Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.

CelticFaninLBC wrote:If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.

If by 10 Feb 13 the situation had become so toxic, I would offer Asik and a minor piece for Landry Fields and John Salmons and that would still be a better deal from Houston's perspective than anything Bass or Lee could provide.

threrf23 wrote:I wonder if Houston would rather have Crawford than Lee?


I would do Bass and Crawford but I wouldn't add a pick if I am Boston. I am not sure of the appeal of Crawford for Houston but he doesn't hurt long-term like Lee.
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Post#1507 » by Who-rod » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:09 pm

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jfs1000d wrote:Why would they repackage them? I think Lee and Bass would be decent role players for Houston. All this trading and roster moves are to affect what goes on on the floor.


Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.

CelticFaninLBC wrote:If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.

If by 10 Feb 13 the situation had become so toxic, I would offer Asik and a minor piece for Landry Fields and John Salmons and that would still be a better deal from Houston's perspective than anything Bass or Lee could provide.

threrf23 wrote:I wonder if Houston would rather have Crawford than Lee?


I would do Bass and Crawford but I wouldn't add a pick if I am Boston. I am not sure of the appeal of Crawford for Houston but he doesn't hurt long-term like Lee.


I would do Bass, Crawford, and a pick, but it would be the Clippers pick, and it would be top 20 protected.
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Post#1508 » by supertruck97 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:32 pm

Who-rod wrote:
Pogue Mahone wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:Why would they repackage them? I think Lee and Bass would be decent role players for Houston. All this trading and roster moves are to affect what goes on on the floor.


Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.

CelticFaninLBC wrote:If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.

If by 10 Feb 13 the situation had become so toxic, I would offer Asik and a minor piece for Landry Fields and John Salmons and that would still be a better deal from Houston's perspective than anything Bass or Lee could provide.

threrf23 wrote:I wonder if Houston would rather have Crawford than Lee?


I would do Bass and Crawford but I wouldn't add a pick if I am Boston. I am not sure of the appeal of Crawford for Houston but he doesn't hurt long-term like Lee.


I would do Bass, Crawford, and a pick, but it would be the Clippers pick, and it would be top 20 protected.


You can't protect someone else's pick. Just FYI.
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Post#1509 » by Who-rod » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:35 pm

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Who-rod wrote:
Pogue Mahone wrote:
Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.



If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.

If by 10 Feb 13 the situation had become so toxic, I would offer Asik and a minor piece for Landry Fields and John Salmons and that would still be a better deal from Houston's perspective than anything Bass or Lee could provide.



I would do Bass and Crawford but I wouldn't add a pick if I am Boston. I am not sure of the appeal of Crawford for Houston but he doesn't hurt long-term like Lee.


I would do Bass, Crawford, and a pick, but it would be the Clippers pick, and it would be top 20 protected.


You can't protect someone else's pick. Just FYI.


Celtics couldn't send them a 2015 1st round pick top 20 protected?
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Post#1510 » by jfs1000d » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:53 pm

Pogue Mahone wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:Why would they repackage them? I think Lee and Bass would be decent role players for Houston. All this trading and roster moves are to affect what goes on on the floor.


Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.

CelticFaninLBC wrote:If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.

If by 10 Feb 13 the situation had become so toxic, I would offer Asik and a minor piece for Landry Fields and John Salmons and that would still be a better deal from Houston's perspective than anything Bass or Lee could provide.

threrf23 wrote:I wonder if Houston would rather have Crawford than Lee?


I would do Bass and Crawford but I wouldn't add a pick if I am Boston. I am not sure of the appeal of Crawford for Houston but he doesn't hurt long-term like Lee.


Pogue, you can't find two d-leaguers that can replace Bass and Lee. Bass is 11.6, 6.2 for celtics. He isn't great team defender, but the rockets have Howard. Guy is a good player.

Bass is a good role player despite his limitations.

Lee also can score and shoot and has some size.

They are rotation players on a good team.
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Post#1511 » by greenmachine_2849 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:59 pm

supertruck97 wrote:
You can't protect someone else's pick. Just FYI.


You COULD, in the sense that, if the Clippers pick is 20 or better, the Celtics keep it and the Rockets are out of luck. But no GM is stupid enough to trade for that type of conditional pick, especially if it is arguably the best asset they are getting in return.

Could make the 2015 pick they receive be the worst of the Celtics and Clippers 1st round picks, though. That way, if the Clippers fall into the lottery (and the Celtics are a playoff team), we still get a pretty good pick to use in 2015.
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Post#1512 » by GreenMachine » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:22 pm

supertruck97 wrote:You can't protect someone else's pick. Just FYI.


Sure you can. We send them the Clips pick, lotto protected, and if the pick is in the lotto... they get the worst of the Celtics picks in 2016. Or such. There are LOTS of ways to protect "someone else's" pick.
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Post#1513 » by Valid » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:22 pm

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jfs1000d wrote:Why would they repackage them? I think Lee and Bass would be decent role players for Houston. All this trading and roster moves are to affect what goes on on the floor.


Because Lee's third year puts a kibosh on Houston's future attempts at getting a third star.

Look, I don't buy into the three-star system as much as most but Morey clearly does. And if you think Lee and Bass are going to help you win games, I have a 2013 Celtics team to sell you.

Might they help on the edges? To be completely fair? I could find two minimum-salary D-Leaguers who provide the same impact. Overpaying and hampering yourself for, charitably, marginal role players, particularly when the presence of Lee means you are going to have to add other value (young players, picks) to clear him so you can go get that third high-level player.

Sorry Pogue, but there is absolutely no way in hell you can find D-Leaguers who provide what Bass and Lee do, especially Bass. The guy can shoot the ball very well and defend multiple positions very well. This is a 6'8", 250-pound power forward who shut down Carmelo Anthony during last year's postseason. You're not going to find guys like that in the D-League because, well, they are FAR too good and valuable to be in the D-League.
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Post#1514 » by KGboss » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:24 pm

so nothing new yet this morning?
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Post#1515 » by sully00 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:26 pm

Pogue Mahone wrote:I think the Bass, Lee and 1st for Asik rumored deal needs to viewed at in it's entirety to comprehend why it doesn't come up so peachy for Houston.

What would Houston get:

+ SG who is (charitably) ok on defense, poor rebounder; ~$13.5M still owed, including a third year
+ PF who is good in man, not so good in help, poor defensive rebounder, good shotblocker; ~$10M still owed
+ Future 1st RD'er (likely protected)

What would Boston get:

+ C who is Top-3 post defender, top-3 pick-and-roll defender for his position, excellent rebounder and shotblocker; ~$18M still owed
+ Shed ~$5.7M a year early
+ Get ~$3.3M further below apron in 2013-14
+ Shave ~$3.3M off the 2014-15 cap

Anything else I am missing?

My point is, even if my valuations of Bass and Lee differ from the opinions of others, those opinions can't be so divergent that their perceived value can bridge that ~$16.8+M [($23.5M - 18.0M) + 5.7M 2015-16 Cap Hit + 3.3M 2013-14 Cap Savings +3.3M 2014-15 Cap Savings] salary swing in Boston's favor. That flexibility is worth at least an unprotected first if I am Morey.

However, as much as I think it would be a steal of ginormous proportions in the Celtics' favor, I wouldn't include a pick if I was to include Bogans instead of Lee and I would demand a young player for taking on the extra salary.

This deal is really about Boston shedding that third year of Lee. This is why I believe a third team was to be rumored as a facilitator, as I don't think Morey wanted to be saddled with extra year of commitment at mid-level money.


Again if Ainge was insisting on including Lee in the deal then there is no deal but it just doesn't seem to me to be necessary or the case. It seems like you can swap Bogans for Lee in the deal. The issue it seems was the difference between Boston's '14 and the Clippers '15 pick.

I think HOU wanted Lee to try and spin him to another team. He is a good locker room guy as far as not being a tool job about his role and is playing the best ball of his career by almost any measure at a position that has a void of talent league wide. He is probably a trade target for contenders and some of the anti tankers with young rosters like CLE and CHA. The guy is shooting 49% from 3 pt you don't have to be a statistician to admire that.
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Post#1516 » by 15th overall » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:32 pm

I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1517 » by Zin5 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:45 pm

15th overall wrote:I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?

Yesterday was the deadline for players acquired in a trade to be able to be traded again by the deadline. Any player acquired through a trade from now till the deadline can't be moved until the offseason. Morey wanted the flexibility to be able to package whatever he got for Asik at the deadline.
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1518 » by Havlicek17 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 pm

[quote="15th overall"]I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?[/quo

The NBA deadline to be able to use traded players in a package at the trade deadline is actually today, not yesterday as originally reported.

I still think there is a negotiation going on, and yesterday was the "walk away" to be sure they are getting the best deal possible. If either side has any regrets, you can bet they'll be talking about them today and repositioning to either close the deal or truely walk away.
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1519 » by Parliament10 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 pm

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15th overall wrote:I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?

Yesterday was the deadline for players acquired in a trade to be able to be traded again by the deadline. Any player acquired through a trade from now till the deadline can't be moved until the offseason. Morey wanted the flexibility to be able to package whatever he got for Asik at the deadline.

Today, Friday, is the last day, according to the league office.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/i ... -right-now
The league office subsequently informed Houston that it could actually take until Friday of this week to move Asik and still be able to retrade anyone involved in the deal by Feb. 20, but the Rockets elected to end talks for now and try to regroup.
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1520 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:55 pm

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Pogue Mahone wrote:Fair points.

I just know that if I am in Morey's shoes, I don't feel I can repackage Lee or Bass at the deadline without sweetener and I definitely wouldn't take the deal as constituted. It would have to be an unprotected 2014 1st.

If I am Boston, I am not shedding Bogans or Humphries without valuable considerations in return because part of my 2014-15 salary structure is dependent on their salaries not rolling over (maybe I would with Bogans if the treat coming back was tasty enough.)


If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If your morey you dont do anything at all. You keep asik and play him 20 mins off the bench whether he likes it or not. You tell him to showcase himself if he really wants out.

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Don't see how showcasing Asik changes anything. Everyone already knows what they're getting in Asik..

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