ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng

[WesleyExChiFan]

Hell yeah. Deng is a stud. Not perfect, but a keeper. Unless someone has a VIABLE option to replace him. IIRC there was a pretty long thread on here about being specific about replacing Deng and the best anyone could cone up with was Afflalo. Good call FO.

[blumeany]

I'd say his nagging injuries (yet again) are hurting his negotiating power.

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[Ice Man]

So you are on board with fielding a team that is not even remotely close to winning a championship.

That's a damned good team if Rose plays like 2011 Rose. A big if, I know.

As a side note, 2013 Bulls are getting destroyed at the #1 and #4 spots. The team would look a lot different if even average at those positions.

[Mech Engineer]

No trade clause for a smaller deal is actually good for this situation. If Deng takes a discount(which I doubt) for a no-trade clause, then it is worth it. First, these guys(GarPax) are not good at doing blockbuster trades anyways...so it doesn't matter. And, if they are trading Deng in his 3rd year of his new deal, that means he sucks and they are getting back bad contracts.

All that said, if they are going to resign Deng...they better have a plan for infusion of some offensive talent, ball handlers. It will suck if they depend on a rookie(even if it is some great rookie) and Mirotic only. They have to trade the Charlotte pick for an established player along with Butler or somebody else if they retain Deng.

[Chi town]

Not trading Deng: stupid
Re-signing Deng: moronic
Letting him walk for nothing: sinful

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Yep if Bulls resign him to a bad deal or let him walk then I'm done.

We should organize a billboard campaign like the Bucks fans. This is beyond stupid.

[DASMACKDOWN]

The thing is, if money were no option, no one would even complain about keeping Deng.

People are making it seem like we would keep some horrible player that just kills the game. Deng without question is top 5 at his position on both ends.

Most peoples single problem is he doesn't score they way they want him to. That's it.

But yet even though he doesn't score that way, he still ends up scoring doesn't he?

But like most have said, if we have an actual strategy with this, I am fine.

But don't end next year with Gar saying, we wanted to resign Deng but his asking price would have put a damper on our flexibility. - i.e. the Asik speech

[Hangtime84]

The thing is, if money were no option, no one would even complain about keeping Deng.

People are making it seem like we would keep some horrible player that just kills the game. Deng without question is top 5 at his position on both ends.

Most peoples single problem is he doesn't score they way they want him to. That's it.

But yet even though he doesn't score that way, he still ends up scoring doesn't he?

But like most have said, if we have an actual strategy with this, I am fine.

But don't end next year with Gar saying, we wanted to resign Deng but his asking price would have put a damper on our flexibility. - i.e. the Asik speech

If he says that this year then he should be fired

[Makaveli92]

If we cant find a player at Deng's level or better, i would re sign him!

Y'all can dream all you want about getting Jabari Parker, but the truth is, we are not going to get him, I think he stays at Duke another year anyway.

Re sign Deng, get rid of Boozer, bring over Mirotic, get the Charlotte pick, plus our pick (will be a lottery pick if we keep playing the way we are) and we'll be alright.

[Red Larrivee]

We're forgetting about the Rose factor. He's made his position clear and there are no guarantees in the rebuilding game. Like it or not, Rose is our bread and butter and his money can walk if da Bulls fail to become legitimate contenders in 3 short years.

Let's say the Bulls cave and re-sign Deng to a 4 year, $56M contract. Rose might experience short-term happiness. Now let's say during those four years, Deng falls off, has nagging injuries and becomes an albatross deal.

Then what?

This contract isn't about what Rose or Thibs thinks; it's about how likely Deng is to live up to his next deal. The Bulls can't afford to have another contract like that backfire on them. Hell, Rose has only played 10 games in the first two years of his max contract.

[Chi town]

We're forgetting about the Rose factor. He's made his position clear and there are no guarantees in the rebuilding game. Like it or not, Rose is our bread and butter and his money can walk if da Bulls fail to become legitimate contenders in 3 short years.

Let's say the Bulls cave and re-sign Deng to a 4 year, $56M contract. Rose might experience short-term happiness. Now let's say during those four years, Deng falls off, has nagging injuries and becomes an albatross deal.

Then what?

This contract isn't about what Rose or Thibs thinks; it's about how likely Deng is to live up to his next deal. The Bulls can't afford to have another contract like that backfire on them. Hell, Rose has only played 10 games in the first two years of his max contract.

Exactly. Someone said it yesterday that you are paying him for past performance. The first year you won't be but year 2 on you will be and you are running a big risk with his health.

Too much risk for me. Trade him for Waiters who can stay on the floor, handle, and score and who is on a much smaller deal.

[LoveDaBoo]

The thing is, if money were no option, no one would even complain about keeping Deng.

People are making it seem like we would keep some horrible player that just kills the game. Deng without question is top 5 at his position on both ends.

Most peoples single problem is he doesn't score they way they want him to. That's it.

But yet even though he doesn't score that way, he still ends up scoring doesn't he?

But like most have said, if we have an actual strategy with this, I am fine.

But don't end next year with Gar saying, we wanted to resign Deng but his asking price would have put a damper on our flexibility. - i.e. the Asik speech

Not when you need it. I think another problem is that he sucks at dribbling or creating.

[TruthSerum]

We're forgetting about the Rose factor. He's made his position clear and there are no guarantees in the rebuilding game. Like it or not, Rose is our bread and butter and his money can walk if da Bulls fail to become legitimate contenders in 3 short years.

Let's say the Bulls cave and re-sign Deng to a 4 year, $56M contract. Rose might experience short-term happiness. Now let's say during those four years, Deng falls off, has nagging injuries and becomes an albatross deal.

Then what?

This contract isn't about what Rose or Thibs thinks; it's about how likely Deng is to live up to his next deal. The Bulls can't afford to have another contract like that backfire on them. Hell, Rose has only played 10 games in the first two years of his max contract.

First, I think Bulls highest possible offer to Deng would be 5th-year player option at 5/$60M (declining). That would still be very tradable yrs. 2-3 when they have big decisions to make on Bulter and Noah. At that point Rose would be an easier sell on major moves with the Bulls not being a bottom-feeder for the last couple years (which may very well be the case if everything doesn't go absolutely perfectly during the rebuild).

Less risk of losing one the NBA's biggest commercial appeals may drive GarPax's decision.

[Mech Engineer]

The thing is, if money were no option, no one would even complain about keeping Deng.

People are making it seem like we would keep some horrible player that just kills the game. Deng without question is top 5 at his position on both ends.

Most peoples single problem is he doesn't score they way they want him to. That's it.

But yet even though he doesn't score that way, he still ends up scoring doesn't he?

But like most have said, if we have an actual strategy with this, I am fine.

But don't end next year with Gar saying, we wanted to resign Deng but his asking price would have put a damper on our flexibility. - i.e. the Asik speech

That's the great thing about Deng. Those points are the ones which creator types like Tyreke or Rudy Gay never score. If the Bulls have a plan to get a "super Boozer" and a "super Butler" for the type of roles everybody envisions, those two can be the 2nd and 4th options who complement Deng and Rose.

All that said, as a fan I do not trust GarPax because they never have got an offensive talent in the last 4 years even when everybody knew they need it. That was mostly due to limited cap-space and inflexibility. I believe unless the road is very clear, they cannot operate in a confused situation which is having Deng and Rose taking lots of cap-space.

[Air Poohdini]

Does this mean that Luol decided to take a pay cut, because that's the only way I see him coming back. We are not breaking the bank to pay Luol just so Derrick will be happy.

[Evil_Headband]

The FO future plan seems very apparent. Re-sign Deng, amnesty Boozer, bring over Mirotic, hope Rose is healthy. I'm on board with this.

So you are on board with fielding a team that is not even remotely close to winning a championship.

I reject your premise. This year's team had a chance if Rose returned to form and they were healthy. Previous Bulls teams with the same core (expect Boozer) managed the #1 seed twice. I don't think next year's team is significantly worse. In fact, if Mirotic performs well and the Bulls' draft pick(s) become good players, they might even be better.

[cubbiefan009]

Not trading Deng: stupid
Re-signing Deng: moronic
Letting him walk for nothing: sinful

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So re-signing a top SF in the entire league at a good amount is moronic? How about we wait until numbers are seen.

[WesleyExChiFan]

The FO future plan seems very apparent. Re-sign Deng, amnesty Boozer, bring over Mirotic, hope Rose is healthy. I'm on board with this.

So you are on board with fielding a team that is not even remotely close to winning a championship.

You build with what you have. The point is to be a contender every year. Replacing Boozer with Mirotic is actually getting rid of a liability. Mirotic has better range and he can't possibility be worse on D. Snell needs to start next year though or trade Butler for an actual starting 2 guard. Butler is an SF and we're setting him up to fail as the starting 2 guard. He's just not able to stay with a lot of these guys and he does like the long ball. Snell is a shooter though. He should definitely start next year alongside Rose IMO. Butler hasn't proven he can open up the floor. I love Jimmy, but he's playing out of position IMO.

[dice]

Not trading Deng: stupid
Re-signing Deng: moronic
Letting him walk for nothing: sinful

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Yep if Bulls resign him to a bad deal or let him walk then I'm done.

we don't actually know if any respectable deal is available (why would anyone trade anything of value for a deng rental?). in which case, letting him walk might end up being the only reasonable option if no sign and trade opportunities present themselves in the offseason and he won't sign for a hometown discount (no indication he would)

[DASMACKDOWN]

Let's say the Bulls cave and re-sign Deng to a 4 year, $56M contract. Rose might experience short-term happiness. Now let's say during those four years, Deng falls off, has nagging injuries and becomes an albatross deal.

Then what?

This contract isn't about what Rose or Thibs thinks; it's about how likely Deng is to live up to his next deal. The Bulls can't afford to have another contract like that backfire on them. Hell, Rose has only played 10 games in the first two years of his max contract.

Its a risk but basically every team goes through the same risk.

Based on your logic, every team should ignore most NBA players second contract because its risky. There is a risk involved in any transaction you do regardless.

Golden St signed Iggy and he is a year older than Deng.
Pacers resigned David West at 33 years old.
Melo and Lebron both 29 will end up getting double what Deng will get over the same time period. Both can break down yes..but its still a risk most are willing to take.

Deng just doesn't strike me as a guy that will just break down quickly. He hasn't been getting beat up through his career. He hasn't had major leg/knee issues besides early in his career and he doesn't rely purely on athleticism. His advantage is length and smarts. Deng is the type of guy that at 32 will probably still avg 14/6

Shawn Marion a player with similar minutes and used far more of his athleticism was still going strong up to 32.

I think the same can be said for Deng.

[logical_art]

Because its the Bulls, I kind of believe this. Ugh.