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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1521 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:01 pm

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CelticFaninLBC wrote:If you're Morey, what's you alternative move, if Boston doesn't budge??


If I am Morey, and the situation got so bad that Asik was killing the team, I would buy him out rather take on a third year of salary. Yes, you lose a high-valued, movable commodity but you don't hurt your own position long-term in the process.


I guess if they really want to have cap space for next year and beyond, they can just take Hawes and let the LAC pick & Bogans go to Philly...
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Post#1522 » by jfs1000d » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:09 pm

Houston doesn't know what it wants. It wants an unprotected first round pick from a high lottery team.
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Post#1523 » by 15th overall » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:11 pm

I kind of wish the deadline was yesterday. Another day of leaning on the refresh button.
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Post#1524 » by KGboss » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:16 pm

15th overall wrote:I kind of wish the deadline was yesterday. Another day of leaning on the refresh button.


accepti think today will be a whole lot worse because theres a big possibility that both of these groups wont make it back to the table until the february deadline - then it is 2 more months of BS and rumors.
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Post#1525 » by sully00 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:21 pm

Datruth345 wrote:couple thoughts on brandon bass

Obviously Brandon Bass isn't the sticking point, he has worked himself into a very respectable NBA player. However, 'his shot' seems to be one that the rockets are trying to phase out of there offense, the Midrange jumpshot, so i wonder what Morey really thinks of him.

edit: i thought the #'s would come out different but his last year in Orlando (next to dwight) bass took 67% of his shots 16 feet and in, so far this year he has taken 76% of his shoots 16' and in


The problem with Brandon Bass is Dwight Howard. Brandon does a very good job of just catching the damn ball and either shooting it or attacking the basket or passing the ball and coaches love that. Dwight Howard takes the ball in the post and trips all over himself for 20 seconds and then just tries to overpower his guy like he should have done in the first 5 seconds and coaches hate that. So when you have both options, coaches and PG's start to lean on one a lot more than the other and somebody's ego gets hurt.
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Post#1526 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:21 pm

15th overall wrote:I kind of wish the deadline was yesterday. Another day of leaning on the refresh button.

Don't worry nothing is going to happen today. It's over.
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Post#1527 » by sully00 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:29 pm

There is almost no buyout option for HOU, there is no way Asik is going to give up the backloaded money on his contract. The Rockets can waive him but there are trade options, but no there is no buyout of a guy who is still owed 20 mil of his 25 mil 3 year contract.
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Post#1528 » by sully00 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:35 pm

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15th overall wrote:I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?

Yesterday was the deadline for players acquired in a trade to be able to be traded again by the deadline. Any player acquired through a trade from now till the deadline can't be moved until the offseason. Morey wanted the flexibility to be able to package whatever he got for Asik at the deadline.


This is not accurate. What a team will no longer be able to do is combine a player acquired after today with other salaries in a trade.

For example in 2004 the Hawks traded for Rasheed Wallace on the 9th of February and then traded him to the Pistons at the deadline in a 3 team deal 10 days later. ATL just had to trade Wallace alone with no other salary aggregated in the deal. The 2 month wait is to aggregate salary in a deal.
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Post#1529 » by soxfan2003 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Given his contract. Asik just isn't that much of an asset heading into next year. Sure he is a good player at the most important position but whatever team has him has to pay 15 million next year. The fact that the cap figure is less is nice but its still money that an owner has to give him.

If the Rockets really don't like Bass/Lee/protected first much or the other offers.... A good compromise may be a buyout at the end of the year where Asik is paid around $3-5 million if Asik behaves the rest of the year and still wants out. He is then free to sign something like a 4 year 10 million+ year contract.
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Post#1530 » by Zin5 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:46 pm

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15th overall wrote:I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?

Yesterday was the deadline for players acquired in a trade to be able to be traded again by the deadline. Any player acquired through a trade from now till the deadline can't be moved until the offseason. Morey wanted the flexibility to be able to package whatever he got for Asik at the deadline.

Today, Friday, is the last day, according to the league office.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/i ... -right-now
The league office subsequently informed Houston that it could actually take until Friday of this week to move Asik and still be able to retrade anyone involved in the deal by Feb. 20, but the Rockets elected to end talks for now and try to regroup.


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15th overall wrote:I know yesterday was Houston's supposed deadline but isn't today the last day a trade could be made and still have the pieces be viable at the trade deadline? Or am I confused?

Yesterday was the deadline for players acquired in a trade to be able to be traded again by the deadline. Any player acquired through a trade from now till the deadline can't be moved until the offseason. Morey wanted the flexibility to be able to package whatever he got for Asik at the deadline.


This is not accurate. What a team will no longer be able to do is combine a player acquired after today with other salaries in a trade.

For example in 2004 the Hawks traded for Rasheed Wallace on the 9th of February and then traded him to the Pistons at the deadline in a 3 team deal 10 days later. ATL just had to trade Wallace alone with no other salary aggregated in the deal. The 2 month wait is to aggregate salary in a deal.

Thanks to both of you for clarifying, I was just going by what I remembered reading from the original news story about it. Didn't realize they had an extra day.
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Re: Omer Asik Trade 

Post#1531 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:Given his contract. Asik just isn't that much of an asset heading into next year. Sure he is a good player at the most important position but whatever team has him has to pay 15 million next year. The fact that the cap figure is less is nice but its still money that an owner has to give him.

If the Rockets really don't like Bass/Lee/protected first much or the other offers.... A good compromise may be a buyout at the end of the year where Asik is paid around $3-5 million if Asik behaves the rest of the year and still wants out. He is then free to sign something like a 4 year 10 million+ year contract.


Are you suggesting Asik will give up $10-12 million for next year??
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Post#1532 » by sully00 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:07 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:Given his contract. Asik just isn't that much of an asset heading into next year. Sure he is a good player at the most important position but whatever team has him has to pay 15 million next year. The fact that the cap figure is less is nice but its still money that an owner has to give him.

If the Rockets really don't like Bass/Lee/protected first much or the other offers.... A good compromise may be a buyout at the end of the year where Asik is paid around $3-5 million if Asik behaves the rest of the year and still wants out. He is then free to sign something like a 4 year 10 million+ year contract.


Why on earth Asik accept a buyout? Maybe he would take 10 mil before FA starts if he can safely assume he will get the 5 mil MLE from someone but even then I doubt it. He is giving up his Bird rights if he is released and has to start that clock again. The balance of his contract is deferred salary he has only gotten paid 6 or 7 mil of his 25 mil contract to this point.

That is why it was important to deal Asik as soon as possible so whoever gets him now benefits from the deferred salary this season and that offsets the balloon payment next year. The NBA pay schedule is weird it goes buy weeks and not by games and the payment schedule goes into the offseason so the bulk of a players salary is paid over the second half of the year.

Owners are pissed he did what he did to the Knicks and Bulls and are even more pissed that he is trying to trade the deals off. The window for him to throw in cash, limited to 3 mil, and balance the money is closing once he can't balance the money I don't think a lot of owners will even entertain the idea.
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Post#1533 » by Havlicek17 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:03 pm

"Owners are pissed he did what he did to the Knicks and Bulls and are even more pissed that he is trying to trade the deals off. The window for him to throw in cash, limited to 3 mil, and balance the money is closing once he can't balance the money I don't think a lot of owners will even entertain the idea."

Couldn't agree more.

Considering what we have here is a "good player with a bad contract" situation, Morey is not going to get fair value for the player. The longer he waits, the worse it's going to get.

Morey got Asik as a FA because of the poison pill deal he constructed, and now he doesn't want to take his own medicine...
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Post#1534 » by pfm » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:06 pm

Houston still loses a lot if they don't deal Asik today. They lose the ability to deal players received before the deadline and, possibly more importantly, they will cause a **** with Asik's party for essentially breaking their promise that he would be gone by today. I still think there's a decent chance something gets done and Morey is posturing.

You have to wonder if ego is playing a factor. Getting pressured into a deal by your old boss (with the pressure coming from your self imposed deadline and Ainge taking advantage of that) probably doesn't feel great for Morey.

There's really no reason for Ainge to budge from his current deal. He isn't under any particular pressure to acquire Asik because the C's aren't contending this year. Sure, he'd be a nice piece, but not a make or break one. The pressure is on Morey to deal.
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Post#1535 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:21 pm

Morey intimating that one of the owners (likely Alexander) killed the trade:

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/5761/more ... igh-level/
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Post#1536 » by KGboss » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:28 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:Morey intimating that one of the owners (likely Alexander) killed the trade:

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/5761/more ... igh-level/


So in other words, see you in February!
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Post#1537 » by Valid » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:28 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:Morey intimating that one of the owners (likely Alexander) killed the trade:

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/5761/more ... igh-level/

“You’re obviously never going to do a deal that doesn’t help the team or keep you at least even,” said Morey. “And those didn’t present themselves.”

Uhh...there were no deals on the table that would at least keep the team "even," Morey? Asik isn't even playing.
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Post#1538 » by shawn unkempt » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:28 pm

That makes sense for Alexander. Why would would he pay someone $15 million next year if likely still going to be in the lottery?
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Post#1539 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:32 pm

Valid wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Morey intimating that one of the owners (likely Alexander) killed the trade:

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/5761/more ... igh-level/

“You’re obviously never going to do a deal that doesn’t help the team or keep you at least even,” said Morey. “And those didn’t present themselves.”

Uhh...keep there were no deals on the table that would at least keep the team "even," Morey? Asik isn't even playing.


Listening to it now, he sounds crushed... article left out him saying, "It takes two to tango."
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Post#1540 » by pfm » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:34 pm

Sounds like Ainge played hardball.

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