ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng

[P.C.]

This was also reported by Schanowski. He said the PHX deal was sitting out there as a possibility because it can't happen until mid-Jan.

What possible reason could there be for a trade not to be completed until January? I call bull **** (on Schanowski's rumor not on you.)

I would assume that because at least one of the players involved in the trade (currently unmentioned/unknown) was newly signed using Bird or Early Bird rights.

I'm not seeing it. Dec 15th was the date for players signed this off season, so you're basically looking at players signed as free agents in November? Find me a player that's was signed as a free agent after the season began that is worth holding up a trade for?

I think there was one trade earlier this year:
Suns get:
F/C Emeka Okafor
2014 protected first-round pick
Wizards get
F/C Marcin Gortat
G Kendall Marshall
G Shannon Brown
G Malcolm Lee

Emeka Okafor is holding up a deal? What are the chances that they're waiting on him verses the possibility that Schanowski is just wrong? I'm thinking the latter is relatively likely.

[dougthonus]

That bid gets rejected.

How can you say the bolded about someone who has been as inefficient as Boozer has been the last 2 years? Clearly he can't create his own offense.

His numbers this year and last season were poor from an efficiency stand point, before that he was up the 55% TS% range. I agree he's not Shaq down low, but you'll get much more success having Boozer create a shot than Taj or Noah or most other big men in the NBA.

Most teams spend more than five million on their 3rd big man if hes' not on a rookie deal, and I'd suspect Boozers a much better scorer than your typical third big man.

[P.C.]

Okafor is on an expiring deal so that's the trade:

Deng for Okafor and a first round pick.

Okay, that actually makes some sense . I'm not a fan but I see it. The PHX pick isn't great but that's salary that is not going to bind you for additional seasons.

The salaries match too, so you can go one for one.

Edit: Except this limitation only applies when players are being traded as a package.

From Coon:

For example, as detailed in question number 98, when a team is over the cap and acquires a player in trade, they cannot re-trade that player in combination with other players for two months.

[DanTown8587]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

[GimmeDat]

Just saw this news, I don't know what to think about what's happening at the moment, so I'll just continue to see what happens unless the signs are imminent.

I'd love to see Deng back, let's hope it's on a reasonable deal. I'd only be very disappointed in the FO if we end up having to let him go for nothing.

[transplant]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

I call BS. Assuming Butler is extended at about $7mil starting in 2015-16, the Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah group, plus Gibson, figures to be a sure-fire LT team.

[BigUps]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

Ownership is taking a risk by not trading Deng. Money talks, ask Asik/Gordon. We've been here twice and it hasn't worked out well for us either time. If you want Deng, you can always sign him after you trade him to a contender for virtually anything of value. Doing nothing and hoping you resign him is the biggest risk they could take (unless there's some kind of hush hush deal).

[Salo23]

Okafor is on an expiring deal so that's the trade:

Deng for Okafor and a first round pick.

Okay, that actually makes some sense . I'm not a fan but I see it. The PHX pick isn't great but that's salary that is not going to bind you for additional seasons.

The salaries match too, so you can go one for one.

I hope we get Goodwin included in the deal or dump Teague along with Deng. If we could do both I'd be pretty happy.

Otherwise Waiters from the Cavs looks like better value than a late 1st.

[DanTown8587]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

I call BS. Assuming Butler is extended at about $7mil starting in 2015-16, the Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah group, plus Gibson, figures to be a sure-fire LT team.

Not at all

Rose - 20
Deng - 14
Noah - 13
Gibson - 8
Mirotic - 6
Butler - 6
TOTAL : 67

You have some rookies there bringing it up to 75, which is about what the luxury tax will be in a few years.

[DanTown8587]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

Ownership is taking a risk by not trading Deng. Money talks, ask Asik/Gordon. We've been here twice and it hasn't worked out well for us either time. If you want Deng, you can always sign him after you trade him to a contender for virtually anything of value. Doing nothing and hoping you resign him is the biggest risk they could take (unless there's some kind of hush hush deal).

What I'm telling you is the ownership knows the costs and will keep Deng to ensure they're a good and not bad team. fans might hate the idea of being the new Atlanta Hawks, but that team makes ownership 50-60 million a year. Why risk not being that?

[Tenchi Ryu]

And people wonder why some have converted to the nation of tanklam.


This FO can't do sh%t right that doesn't involve drafting.

[Chicago Live]

We need new faces in the locker room and keeping deng is such a poor basketball decision. The guy optimizes what the whole bulls org is, mediocre. We need a fresh wave of players and ship off the ones now while they still have value. Deng should be dealt, period. I want a gm who's aggressive and not content with being a .500 ball club. Why do some of you guys want to keep deng? You realize the guy has been going downhill and you want to reward him with an over priced contract? Nope not happening. Some people overvalue the try-hard defensive players. Sure those are nice to have, but we need scoring and been for a decade now. Only ones on this roster I keep are Rose, butler, snell, and maybe Gibson. The rest of the talent has peaked thus why we need to trade them and open up possibilities (cap space, younger player and picks). Please be dealt deng. I know our fo is reluctant to pull the trigger, but I know they can't be this dumb.

[Hans Embiid]

This FO needs to go ASAP.

[transplant]

I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

I think people always want the owners to take risks and outside of 2010 (when it made sense) I don't see them taking that kind of risk. I don't know how good a team of Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah is, but I do know that this team isn't bad and is likely in the playoffs and likely keeps you out of the tax.

I'm not so sure the FO (especially above Gar) is so willing to take a risk on being a third level team for the shot at a title winner.

I call BS. Assuming Butler is extended at about $7mil starting in 2015-16, the Rose-Butler-Deng-Mirotic-Noah group, plus Gibson, figures to be a sure-fire LT team.

Not at all

Rose - 20
Deng - 14
Noah - 13
Gibson - 8
Mirotic - 6
Butler - 6
TOTAL : 67

You have some rookies there bringing it up to 75, which is about what the luxury tax will be in a few years.

No at all? Even you've got 'em at $75mil. I don't believe that the 20014-15 LT line will be over $75mil.

[Tenchi Ryu]

This FO needs to go ASAP.

They are terrible.

-You know Deng negotiations aren't going well

-You have a good idea apparently trade talks aren't going well


Why in the hell are you just sitting on this? Gonna let him walk for nothing...jesus this stupid ass FO.

[dumbell78]

This is all posturing on the Bulls part both with other teams and with Deng and his agent. Hoping other teams will possibly bite and offer something substantial, all the while sucking up to Deng's team and saying what they always have "Hey we value you Lou and youre part of our core".

If they wanted to keep him they would have inked a new deal already, we all know the Bulls dont do well when other teams offer our FA players money on the open market. SMOKE SCREEN!

[kingkirk]

I'm failing to see the issue. Yesterday, Deng was on record in saying that he wanted to be here.

Today, we have a report that the Bulls are committed to keeping him.

People have asked for the Bulls to 'pick a lane', and it seems they have.

If both are these stories are true then it simply comes down to negotiations. It makes no sense for either party to agree on anything now.

This will be a season long narrative unless he is dealt.

[Jordan Rose123]

Who's more likely to stay in Chicago: Deng or Cutler?

[dumbell78]

I'm failing to see the issue. Yesterday, Deng was on record in saying that he wanted to be here.

Today, we have a report that the Bulls are committed to keeping him.

People have asked for the Bulls to 'pick a lane', and it seems they have.

If both are these stories are true then it simply comes down to negotiations. It makes no sense for either party to agree on anything now.

This will be a season long narrative unless he is dealt.

In fairness Deng also said he is ready to move on, which means he is anticipating not being here. Either via FA or trade.

Also ppl here we're asking to sign him already before FA or trade him. F/O still hasn't done either. It's just the usual empty talk with no actions thus far. Bulls haven't exactly picked a lane yet.

[kingkirk]

In fairness Deng also said he is ready to move on, which means he is anticipating not being here. Either via FA or trade.

Also ppl here we're asking to sign him already before FA or trade him. F/O still hasn't done either. It's just the usual empty talk with no actions thus far. Bulls haven't exactly picked a lane yet.

But why does it make sense for Deng to do a deal now?

Maybe the FO want to sign a deal now but Deng doesn't to continue to drive his price up?

It takes two to tango, and negotiations can take all season.

Again, if both parties want to be here, its about nutting out the financials. That is not something that will be happening in December.