Real GM's TnT Board Top 25 Most Valuable Players VOTE FOR #1

[loserX]

Hell if Miami got offered Durant for Lebron they would have to think hard about doing it

Disagree entirely. I think if you simply use the "who says 'no' fastest" test to determine trade value, the answer is "Miami" no matter who's calling nor which player is being offered. (Then again, that's not the greatest test for trade value because it focuses on Miami's context above all others.)

[Dr Positivity]

I agree it's not the way this vote should be based on, but I actually think Riley pulls the trigger. The amount of years Durant has at 25 left is so valuable, especially when future FAs of his age group are taken into account - and MIA would still have a GREAT chance at winning the title this year, almost as much as they do now. It's not like trading Lebron for Anthony Davis which would leave the team years of maturation away. Plus Lebron hasn't been there long enough to have a Kobe/Dirk effect in terms of sentimentality preventing a trade

[TheRobin]

I agree it's not the way this vote should be based on, but I actually think Riley pulls the trigger. The amount of years Durant has at 25 left is so valuable, especially when future FAs of his age group are taken into account - and MIA would still have a GREAT chance at winning the title this year, almost as much as they do now. It's not like trading Lebron for Anthony Davis which would leave the team years of maturation away. Plus Lebron hasn't been there long enough to have a Kobe/Dirk effect in terms of sentimentality preventing a trade

He has the sentimentality of not trading the best player in the league.

Would Riley throw this season away and have to re tool the team to fit kd?

Lol #2 on the list should be unanimous

[Texas Chuck]

Zero chance Miami would trade Lebron for Durant. Im not convinced even if he told them to their face he was opting out and wouldnt resign that they would make that deal. I dont think the Heat are good enough to win a title this year swapping Durant for Lebron and its not like they have a bunch of young players on the uptick, but they do have a lot of veterans who are declining.

[lewdog]

Vote-Durant (still can't forgive the Chosen One)

Nominate-Lillard (love that rookie contract)

[Dr Positivity]

Zero chance Miami would trade Lebron for Durant. Im not convinced even if he told them to their face he was opting out and wouldnt resign that they would make that deal. I dont think the Heat are good enough to win a title this year swapping Durant for Lebron and its not like they have a bunch of young players on the uptick, but they do have a lot of veterans who are declining.

Why wouldn't they be the title favorite? The talent level of a Durant, Wade and Bosh big 3 still dwarfs anyone else's and fit together more than the present team and the Heat's role players have championship pedigree.

[eliasrapp98]

V: Durant
N: George

[RSCD3_]

V: Durant
N: Cousins

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[Texas Chuck]

Zero chance Miami would trade Lebron for Durant. Im not convinced even if he told them to their face he was opting out and wouldnt resign that they would make that deal. I dont think the Heat are good enough to win a title this year swapping Durant for Lebron and its not like they have a bunch of young players on the uptick, but they do have a lot of veterans who are declining.

Why wouldn't they be the title favorite? The talent level of a Durant, Wade and Bosh big 3 still dwarfs anyone else's and fit together more than the present team and the Heat's role players have championship pedigree.

You vastly underestimate how good Lebron is and how much he means to that team. Durant is a terrific player but he can't do everything Lebron does. I have all the respect in the world for Wade, but he and Bosh arent much better if any than Westbrook/Ibaka and Id take the rest of OKC over the rest of the Heat.

Lebron is that much better than everyone. I cant stand the guy, but true is true.

[TheRobin]

We're at 7-6 Durant leading.

[buckboy]

V: LeBron
N: Love

[shrink]

LeBron has rings, and far far better marketing. He's the face of the NBA. In fact, here's a bold statement: I think he's worth more than #2 + #3 from a money-making standpoint.

[loserX]

It is just not Lebron. He is leaving half the teams he goes to in a few months, and when I say half I mean most.

But for the teams he wouldn't leave, wouldn't his value be higher? I dunno, I think as long as you have a market of more than one (since some lunatic can always make an "unreasonably" high offer), you can't set trade value by the lowest bid.

I agree with that. But with his free agency, I think Lebron goes where he wants and deflates his whole market. So teams would pay more for Durrant.

I guess it depends where you think would be convinced Lebron wouldn't ditch them. Then rule out the ones with zero assets, and you are left with who exactly offering what?

This is an interesting comment and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

If me and my two buddies go to a Mercedes dealership and try to buy a 2014 C- Class, and I'm able to make my top bid of say $2,400 because that's all I have, does that mean that $2,400 is the value of the C-Class? Even to me?

I know if I make that offer to the dealer, he's probably going to punch my face and the face of everyone I've ever spoken to. I know what I think that car is worth, I just don't have the money. Is my assessment of the car's value automatically meaningless just because I can't actually pay it?

I will probably be debating this one with myself for a while, so thanks for that...

[HartfordWhalers]

But for the teams he wouldn't leave, wouldn't his value be higher? I dunno, I think as long as you have a market of more than one (since some lunatic can always make an "unreasonably" high offer), you can't set trade value by the lowest bid.

I agree with that. But with his free agency, I think Lebron goes where he wants and deflates his whole market. So teams would pay more for Durrant.

I guess it depends where you think would be convinced Lebron wouldn't ditch them. Then rule out the ones with zero assets, and you are left with who exactly offering what?

This is an interesting comment and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

If me and my two buddies go to a Mercedes dealership and try to buy a 2014 C- Class, and I'm able to make my top bid of say $2,400 because that's all I have, does that mean that $2,400 is the value of the C-Class? Even to me?

I know if I make that offer to the dealer, he's probably going to punch my face and the face of everyone I've ever spoken to. I know what I think that car is worth, I just don't have the money. Is my assessment of the car's value automatically meaningless just because I can't actually pay it?

I will probably be debating this one with myself for a while, so thanks for that...

To extrapolate further, the dealer can punch you because he knows there is another buyer out there in the market. For Lebron, given his contract I'm not sure there are those other buyers out there.

Think of it like a rare comic book/toy/something that a young child thinks is worth millions. However, everyone with millions is not at all interested at remotely that price. Does the value ascribed by those not in the market matter? Obviously, if there were an absurdly rich child that could bid the price up, then this would matter. But in that absence, I think it matters more what the adults will actually pay, than what the children wish they could.

And yes, the Knicks, Nets, and Lakers are all run by a bunch of children in this metaphor.


I don't think you can judge Lebron's trade value as a simple output of his on the court production + off the court marketability to come to a value regardless of the actual market. It may not be his fault that those teams have no assets, but that is still the fact of the situation.

[loserX]

I guess it comes down to which you believe.

1) is trade value purely "the highest non-insane actual bid" (where non-insanity is measured relative to the next few bids)?

2) or is it possible to say "I understand that's the value of the asset, I just wouldn't (or can't) personally pay it", so there's an assessment of value that exists outside actual offers? (Remembering that unlike the Mercedes or the comic book, we are dealing with a market of only 29 buyers, who are further limited in the number and type of asset they can even HAVE, let alone offer.)

Again, I'm not even sure I know how *I* feel about the question. You make interesting arguments and this is a fascinating discussion.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

LeBron and Durant are 1a and 1b. Why even drag it out to a second vote, there are valid arguments on both sides. Durant is younger, LeBron is more well rounded, Durant has a more guaranteed contract, LeBron is more marketable. So my vote is to just cap it at 1a/1b and don't try too hard distinguishing, just move onto #3.

Nominate: George. He's coming into superstar status and is leading the best team in the league. Anyone would pay him the max, and having him for 5 years gives a team all the assurance they need to commit to him.