ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng

Tenchi Ryu · Post #261 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:28 am

treis wrote:Can we stop the dramatics? Deng's value is a late 1st rounder at this point. If we don't trade him for that and he walks this summer, it's not like we squandered some hugely valuable asset.

Wow

Mech Engineer · Post #262 » by **Mech Engineer** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:30 am

I wonder if Gar has lost some value in the organization with the struggle this season. He had his value increased because of last year's success without Rose. They have been talking about how much the new CBA doesn't let them keep bench players for more years.

And, it gave them the power to fire Adams, replace the bench, fight with the coach(whose-ever fault it is). But, without the playoffs revenue not coming in this year and the ratings going down....they will look bad.

TheSuzerain · Post #263 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:30 am

Here's my question I guess.

If we've got a legit all star SF in Deng, a fringe all star in Noah, an above average PF in Boozer, and an excellent coach in Thibs, then why does the team win less than 20% of their games?

Tenchi Ryu · Post #264 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:33 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Here's my question I guess.

If we've got a legit all star SF in Deng, a fringe all star in Noah, an above average PF in Boozer, and an excellent coach in Thibs, then why does the team win less than 20% of their games?

Because they are All-Stars in the mold of Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace.

They do things very well, but specific things. Can't really ask them to carry a team.

kyrv · Post #265 » by **kyrv** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:49 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Could just be leverage for trade talks. But if true you have to sign him. There is no in between here.

If Cowley is right that they're "$5-6M apart" I don't understand how they expect to re-sign him.

All it takes is Mark Cuban landing his jet in Chicago with a 4/60 contract and Deng is outie. It just seems like a dumb chance to take, especially if there's interest from several teams. There could be a scenario where Deng is the best player available at the trade deadline. Why not take advantage of that?

I doubt Cowley is right and I doubt they are 6 mil a year apart. I don't know - could Deng want 15-16? Possible I guess?

GoBlue72391 · Post #266 » by **GoBlue72391** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:52 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Here's my question I guess.

If we've got a legit all star SF in Deng, a fringe all star in Noah, an above average PF in Boozer, and an excellent coach in Thibs, then why does the team win less than 20% of their games?

Because Boozer's playing like ass, Noah's impact varies greatly from game to game, we're thin and forcing bench players into much bigger roles, and we're constantly shuffling guys in and out due to injury creating no sense of continuity.

Post #267 » by **Rerisen** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:52 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
Despite a season that has been wrecked by injuries, the Chicago Bulls are determined not to trade impending free agent forward Luol Deng, sources told ESPN.com.

Teams have been inquiring about Deng's availability recently as the Bulls have sunk in the standings following a knee injury that ended Derrick Rose's season.

This week, Deng told the Chicago Sun-Times he was preparing for the possibility he may be traded.

But sources said that is not in the team's plans. Despite failing to come to terms on a contract extension before the season, the Bulls remain optimistic they will be able to re-sign Deng next summer.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... -luol-deng

"Re-signing Ben Gordon is our #1 priority"

"Omer Asik is a big part of our team, and we intend to bring him back."

Haven't we seen this movie before? It's more of a horror one than a thriller.

GoBlue72391 · Post #268 » by **GoBlue72391** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:55 am

kyrv wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Could just be leverage for trade talks. But if true you have to sign him. There is no in between here.

If Cowley is right that they're "$5-6M apart" I don't understand how they expect to re-sign him.

All it takes is Mark Cuban landing his jet in Chicago with a 4/60 contract and Deng is outie. It just seems like a dumb chance to take, especially if there's interest from several teams. There could be a scenario where Deng is the best player available at the trade deadline. Why not take advantage of that?

I doubt Cowley is right and I doubt they are 6 mil a year apart. I don't know - could Deng want 15-16? Possible I guess?

Maybe they are $5-6M apart, just on the overall total value of the contract and not the yearly value.

Perhaps the Bulls want Deng at 5/60 and Deng wants 5/66.

dumbell78 · Post #269 » by **dumbell78** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:03 am

Rerisen wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
Despite a season that has been wrecked by injuries, the Chicago Bulls are determined not to trade impending free agent forward Luol Deng, sources told ESPN.com.

Teams have been inquiring about Deng's availability recently as the Bulls have sunk in the standings following a knee injury that ended Derrick Rose's season.

This week, Deng told the Chicago Sun-Times he was preparing for the possibility he may be traded.

But sources said that is not in the team's plans. Despite failing to come to terms on a contract extension before the season, the Bulls remain optimistic they will be able to re-sign Deng next summer.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... -luol-deng

"Re-signing Ben Gordon is our #1 priority"

"Omer Asik is a big part of our team, and we intend to bring him back."

Haven't we seen this movie before? It's more of a horror one than a thriller.

Exactly!

ryan44 · Post #270 » by **ryan44** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:08 am

treis wrote:Can we stop the dramatics? Deng's value is a late 1st rounder at this point. If we don't trade him for that and he walks this summer, it's not like we squandered some hugely valuable asset.

The FO has in recent years drafted Taj with the #26 pick, Asik with the #36 pick (through Portland), and Butler with the #30 pick. The potential late first rounder for Deng might not be "hugely valuable", but it's certainly not something that should be disregarded, especially with the talent in the upcoming draft.

treis · Post #271 » by **treis** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:14 am

ryan44 wrote:
treis wrote:Can we stop the dramatics? Deng's value is a late 1st rounder at this point. If we don't trade him for that and he walks this summer, it's not like we squandered some hugely valuable asset.

The FO has in recent years drafted Taj with the #26 pick, Asik with the #36 pick (through Portland), and Butler with the #30 pick. The potential late first rounder for Deng might not be "hugely valuable", but it's certainly not something that should be disregarded, especially with the talent in the upcoming draft.

And next year we are going to be adding Mirotic, a top 10 pick, another mid 1st, and a pick in the 30s. We, potentially, will have a young player to develop at every single position next season.

I'm not saying we should be tossing away picks for nothing. But a ~5% chance of signing Deng to a decent deal is far more likely to lead the Bulls to success than having another whack in the 1st round.

Post #272 » by **Rerisen** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:17 am

DanTown8587 wrote:I think fans really don't want see Deng here and a perpetual 2nd round exit, but I'm not so sure that's something the ownership wouldn't mind.

Think Dan has the right of it on this one.

Bulls fans are busy cliff diving for a #1 pick on how to best create a title winner, but that could also create disaster if gone wrong, and the Bulls meanwhile see a guarantee at a 90s Jazz style competitive team, year in and year out, which will remain profitable to ownership regardless of getting the chip. And maybe you get lucky one year and another key opponent star gets hurt, or a lucky trade or draft pick improving falls into your lap, and you make the final step for one season.

Then again, the thing working at odds with this scenario is Deng's upper asking price. The Bulls M.O. is also not to cave in and pay guys above what they feel they are worth. And if their line at Deng is say 12m, and it takes 13 to 15 to match another team, I can't see them doing that either.

ryan44 · Post #273 » by **ryan44** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:19 am

treis wrote:
ryan44 wrote:
treis wrote:Can we stop the dramatics? Deng's value is a late 1st rounder at this point. If we don't trade him for that and he walks this summer, it's not like we squandered some hugely valuable asset.

The FO has in recent years drafted Taj with the #26 pick, Asik with the #36 pick (through Portland), and Butler with the #30 pick. The potential late first rounder for Deng might not be "hugely valuable", but it's certainly not something that should be disregarded, especially with the talent in the upcoming draft.

And next year we are going to be adding Mirotic, a top 10 pick, another mid 1st, and a pick in the 30s. We, potentially, will have a young player to develop at every single position next season.

I'm not saying we should be tossing away picks for nothing. But a ~5% chance of signing Deng to a decent deal is far more likely to lead the Bulls to success than having another whack in the 1st round.

At this point I have 0 faith in the FO re-signing Deng to a decent deal. I'm seen nothing from Deng's camp to say he'll give a hometown discount, and the Bulls being as worried about the luxury tax as they are don't strike me as wanting to overpay, or even pay market value. If there wasn't a recent trend of them being content to let decent/good players walk and getting nothing in return I'd be more open to the idea.

Post #274 » by **Rerisen** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:19 am

TheGameChanger wrote:Give Me Deng at 50 Mil for 4 years. Deng can play PF if you get Wiggins or Parker in the draft.

Some of you are missing the boat here. If we keep Deng we aren't going to be bad enough to get Wiggins or Parker.

ryan44 · Post #275 » by **ryan44** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:21 am

Rerisen wrote:
TheGameChanger wrote:Give Me Deng at 50 Mil for 4 years. Deng can play PF if you get Wiggins or Parker in the draft.

Some of you are missing the boat here. If we keep Deng we aren't going to be bad enough to get Wiggins or Parker.

Could always hope that achilles situation turns serious and he has to miss a big chunk of time this season. Otherwise yeah, the Bulls would need another Rose-lottery situation to pull off Wiggins/Parker.

Post #276 » by **Rerisen** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:21 am

kyrv wrote:I doubt Cowley is right and I doubt they are 6 mil a year apart. I don't know - could Deng want 15-16? Possible I guess?

Friedell has also suggested this numerous times, that Deng wants a 'max or near max' deal. Hey, Rudy Gay got one, why not him?

Nick doesn't have the highest standings with Bulls fans, so take with a grain of salt. But its out there.

Post #277 » by **Payt10** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:27 am

I have always said re-signing Deng to an extension is the absolute worst case scenario. It's way worse than letting him walk for nothing.

Rose, Deng, Noah, Taj, maybe Mirotic. That's pretty much your team for the future right there with all the money tied to those guys. Good luck trading any of those guys for value when you really need it, or signing free agents that actually matter.

treis · Post #278 » by **treis** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:28 am

ryan44 wrote:At this point I have 0 faith in the FO re-signing Deng to a decent deal. I'm seen nothing from Deng's camp to say he'll give a hometown discount, and the Bulls being as worried about the luxury tax as they are don't strike me as wanting to overpay, or even pay market value. If there wasn't a recent trend of them being content to let decent/good players walk and getting nothing in return I'd be more open to the idea.

What did we miss out on getting back? People have been moaning about losing Asik for nothing since he left, but what's the best offer for him right now? Two overpaid bench players and a crappy first.

Post #279 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:29 am

Rerisen wrote:
kyrv wrote:I doubt Cowley is right and I doubt they are 6 mil a year apart. I don't know - could Deng want 15-16? Possible I guess?

Friedell has also suggested this numerous times, that Deng wants a 'max or near max' deal. Hey, Rudy Gay got one, why not him?

Nick doesn't have the highest standings with Bulls fans, so take with a grain of salt. But its out there.

Exactly. Deng would be a fool for leaving 20 millions dollars out there if it could be had.

Red Larrivee · Post #280 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:51 am

Rerisen wrote:"Re-signing Ben Gordon is our #1 priority"

"Omer Asik is a big part of our team, and we intend to bring him back."

Haven't we seen this movie before? It's more of a horror one than a thriller.

We're coming up on the 3 year anniversary of this quote:

"We want to try to hit a home run. I feel and I think we feel, we’re probably as well-position as the good teams in the East to make improvements to our team over the next two or three years. There are going to be opportunities there to hit the home run. Now we have to wait for the next opportunity to improve our team."-Gar Forman