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PPP stands for Points Per Play. Finish consists of all the plays when a guard would drive the lane and create a shot for him to just go up and finish, like this.
52 Games Total
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1998 Playoffs
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52 Games Total
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1998 Playoffs
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nice post. What happened to the 99 playoffs? I'm pretty sure there are some of those games on youtube
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Shaq was a beast in the regular season but turned into a monster in the playoffs. Good lord.
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question: did you compile those stats?....what is the source?....link? (I understand they are from Synergy)
the only Synergy numbers I've found are only for the current season. I'd like to see past season databases if available. thx
the only Synergy numbers I've found are only for the current season. I'd like to see past season databases if available. thx
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Dipper 13 wrote:
Did you tracked assisted/unassisted baskets? Or ISO plays overall?
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
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You can find assisted% on NBA.comGregoire wrote:Dipper 13 wrote:
Did you tracked assisted/unassisted baskets? Or ISO plays overall?
http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?P ... e=Playoffs
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colts18 wrote:nice post. What happened to the 99 playoffs? I'm pretty sure there are some of those games on youtube
Maybe next time, that was not his best playoff year.
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Wizenheimer wrote:question: did you compile those stats?....what is the source?....link? (I understand they are from Synergy)
the only Synergy numbers I've found are only for the current season. I'd like to see past season databases if available. thx
I watched the games, but I also used the play-by-play on NBA.com as a guide, which saved a LOT of time. One game would take maybe 20-30 minutes at the most.
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His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.
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Thanks!
Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?
Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
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Those post up stats are not impressive at all.
What is classified as a pull up jumper? How does he have that many of them.
What is classified as a pull up jumper? How does he have that many of them.
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Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?
Various others. It's too bad the old school games don't exist, I would be very interested in numerous legends from the 50s and 60s.
pull up jumper
First play of the game is an example.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2meq3b5iYw[/youtube]
His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.
Everything on this forum is a gross overstatement when it comes to their favorites, and especially their least favorites. The PPP is lower than expected mainly due to his poor foul shooting. When comparing his post up FG% to Charles Barkley in the 84 game sample, he is not up to par in efficiency, drawing fouls, or finishing through contact. But there is a HUGE difference in volume. Shaq here is getting 17.6 post up plays per game compared to 4.4 for Barkley.
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Dipper 13 wrote:Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?
Various others. It's too bad the old school games don't exist, I would be very interested in numerous legends from the 50s and 60s.pull up jumper
First play of the game is an example.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2meq3b5iYw[/youtube]His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.
Everything on this forum is a gross overstatement when it comes to their favorites, and especially their least favorites. The PPP is lower than expected mainly due to his poor foul shooting. When comparing his post up FG% to Charles Barkley in the 84 game sample, he is not up to par in efficiency, drawing fouls, or finishing through contact. But there is a HUGE difference in volume. Shaq here is getting 17.6 post up plays per game compared to 4.4 for Barkley.
Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
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Gregoire wrote:Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan
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For me watching the tape its sometimes difficult to divide post-up and isolation plays...
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
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One example of an Offensive Rebound play. This might be the easiest basket of his career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVW_Bh4xos&t=4m38s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVW_Bh4xos&t=4m38s
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Gregoire wrote:For me watching the tape its sometimes difficult to divide post-up and isolation plays...
Not only for you It's very subjective thing, as well as other play types.
Dipper 13 wrote:PPP stands for Points Per Play. Finish consists of all the plays when a guard would drive the lane and create a shot for him to just go up and finish, like this.
Something is wrong
According to your data Shaq had 1542 total points and 1344 total plays during these 3 playoffs runs.
But in reality he had 1590 points and 1547 plays (assuming your and1 count is right).
So instead of 1.15 ppp player (your data) he in reality was 1.03 ppp player.
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NO-KG-AI wrote:His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.
I think people did this overstatement because the way he scored. He looked more dominant than he was.
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
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Dipper 13 wrote:Gregoire wrote:Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan
ISO stats looked pretty bad. Only 0,86 PPP at his peak in the playoffs... So, basically post-up and ISO were under 1 PPP... His strenght was finishing more from this research.
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them from the league. That's gonna be the most enduring take from his career.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
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Something is wrong
According to your data Shaq had 1542 total points and 1344 total plays during these 3 playoffs runs.
But in reality he had 1590 points and 1547 plays (assuming your and1 count is right).
So instead of 1.15 ppp player (your data) he in reality was 1.03 ppp player.
He was intentionally fouled quite a bit, even in the back court. This chart only keeps track of plays when he was making an offensive move.