OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread

Waylon Mercy · Post #1481 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:27 pm

TheLastTimeLord wrote:Big three from Wiggins. 2/6 so far tonight, has "played his tail off" defensively says the PBP guy. I missed the first half.

I wish I was lucky enough to miss the first half

Ragnar0k · Post #1482 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:28 pm

TheLastTimeLord wrote:Big three from Wiggins. 2/6 so far tonight, has "played his tail off" defensively says the PBP guy. I missed the first half.

I wouldn't say he played his tail off. Haven't seen a lot of effort.

Post #1483 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:29 pm

Homer Jay wrote:I just have maybe a bit higher of a standard of what I define explosive. VC, Kobe, LBJ, Jordan....

LeBron James doesn't have an explosive first step and he said that it's his second step that allows him to create separation from his defender when he drives. Wiggins can already beat his defender ridiculously easy when he drives upright which says a lot about his first step explosion and his second jump is much better than any of those guys. What Wiggins doesn't have is the body control of VC, Kobe and LeBron because he always takes a hop and jumps off two which confines or restricts his athleticism a bit not making him creative in the air.

Ragnar0k · Post #1484 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:29 pm

ansoncarter wrote:
The_Hater wrote:Perry Ellis just missed a FT 2 feet left of the basket, he's definitely got a concussion from that forearm to the head.

his neck got bent pretty bad too. Not sure what a "stinger" is but his neck bent the way TJ's did when horford mugged him

and all the kansas players standing around the same way TJ's teammates did

I missed the play, stepped away for a few minutes. Does it look serious?

fredericklove · Post #1485 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:30 pm

Homer Jay wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Wiggins is an incredible explosive athlete, cmon now.

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I didn't mean average or bad or anything like that. But by the hype I was expecting Vince Carter if not almost LBJ. He's above average, and going to be a star, but not a generational type player. Still would be first overall most years, but with Parker and Embiid looking to be ahead of him this year.

I just have maybe a bit higher of a standard of what I define explosive. VC, Kobe, LBJ, Jordan....

All those guys in the NBA have better floor spacing to attack, college is much more traffic jam and the lane is never the same way for wings compared to nba, Wiggins explosiveness is still obviously seen especially the way he takes off from the baseline, its extremely quick/high gear with incredible end to end speed, he's definitely up there, don't underestimate his because of college setting, in NBA you will see his explosiveness on full display.

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Post #1486 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:34 pm

Holy Wiggins with that burst of speed. Took off so fast for the dime.

Ragnar0k · Post #1487 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:34 pm

Tharpe could have lobbed it to Wiggins on that play in transition but he made the correct play to take it himself.

Nice pass by Wiggins.

fredericklove · Post #1488 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:35 pm

CanadaB-Ball wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
CanadaB-Ball wrote:
I don't understand the infatuation with Barnes. He's really not that good.

Why not just watch him play buddy, he's got much improved handle that he can use to face up iso (e.g. against OKC) and has been using his post game to exploit matchup.

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I've watched him play since high-school. I was extremely pro-Barnes when he was coming out of high-school, and was even a proponent of the 'tank for Barnes' movement after he struggled his freshman season.

The fact of the matter is, is that he just hasn't been that good. That's just the way it is. Is there a chance he becomes a good NBA player? Of course there is, but he certainly isn't there yet, and I definitely wouldn't trade Jonas for him.

The way you brought up in your post sounded like you stopped watching since UNC because you emphasized on his UNC struggles, right now in the nba he's actually showing a really more maturity and refinement in his game compared to b4, I'm not just saying because I've watched him in GSW and the way they use him. If he's not really that good then why does GSW keep using him iso at the elbow? They have confidence in his game.

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Ragnar0k · Post #1489 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:43 pm

maybe this will get wiggins going.

Ragnar0k · Post #1490 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:44 pm

Ragnar0k wrote:maybe this will get wiggins going.

TheGoodDoctor · Post #1491 » by **TheGoodDoctor** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:44 pm

Unbelievable...it's like Wiggins needs to be directly challenged or he's just out of it.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1492 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:44 pm

YESSSS WIGGINS. NEVER PISS OFF WIGGINS

TheLastTimeLord · Post #1493 » by **TheLastTimeLord** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:46 pm

Despite what I heard before the season, Wiggins has shown a pretty good long bomb

LoveMyRaps · Post #1494 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:46 pm

Why take Wiggins out when he's finally starting to heat up...cmon Self

fredericklove · Post #1495 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:47 pm

We need KG to join whichever team he goes to and be his teammate/roommate.

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Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1496 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:47 pm

Ragnar0k wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Homer Jay wrote:
I don't know if he has the physical tools. He lacks size, and might get slaughtered by NBA SFs. On top of that he's not an explosive athlete. His shot is generally excellent, but he's starting to look more and more like he's not going to be any kind of world beating superstar. This draft is looking more and more average, especially if Lavine and Exum are out, like I've seen rumoured.

Parker and Embiid are legit though. They both are All-Stars at least, in the NBA.

Parker yeah seems to be, Embiid it's still to early to say - the potential is definitely there though.

Here's the thing with Embiid though - he not only has the physical tools, but he's got the intelligence. There's no way a guy who just started playing basketball at 16 can be this advanced without having some semblance of intellect.

Post #1497 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:47 pm

TheLastTimeLord wrote:Despite what I heard before the season, Wiggins has shown a pretty good long bomb

Wiggins was always a sniper from downtown. It's his mid-range game that sucks.

The_Hater · Post #1498 » by **The_Hater** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:49 pm

Ragnar0k wrote:
TheLastTimeLord wrote:Big three from Wiggins. 2/6 so far tonight, has "played his tail off" defensively says the PBP guy. I missed the first half.

I wouldn't say he played his tail off. Haven't seen a lot of effort.

If I had to list is major issues #1 would be a lack of effort/aggression (although that might be 2 different issues), #2 would be his poor handle. He can definitely guard people though.

dTox · Post #1499 » by **dTox** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:52 pm

This is one of those games where Wiggins just coasted on offence, his team was just over powering, esp in the defensive end but also shown that he can score it whenever kansas was in a dry spell or when he had that little beef just now. He was outstanding defensively in the 2nd half

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Ragnar0k · Post #1500 » by **Ragnar0k** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:52 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Here's the thing with Embiid though - he not only has the physical tools, but he's got the intelligence. There's no way a guy who just started playing basketball at 16 can be this advanced without having some semblance of intellect.

For sure, and you can see the intelligence in some of his footwork around the bucket too (at least that one Hakeem like play he had a game or two ago) so there's definitely something there to work with. Hopefully he fulfills his potential, but for now it's still just that.

Parker seems like the only sure thing at this point that I would say is going to be an All-Star, but overall I'm not a big fan of his career trajectory just because he's not going to be good defensively.