Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[hands11]

Gortat is a decent center piece. If he can get signed for 6/7M he is worth keeping around. He is a quality back up that can start if needed.

A "quality backup"? $6-7M?

Gortat will get $10M a year minimum. And he is clearly a starting caliber center - probably in the top 15 in the league.

Decent meaning good, not great. I don't see him as a top notch starting center. I'm talking back up on a really good deep playoff team. I don't see him as every day starter quality on a team like that. Like I said, a quality player that I would prefer to get good minutes in a rotation, but not someone I see as the ace in the whole starter. But he would fit nicely in a 3 player rotation like I laid out Nene, Gortat and Okafor.

But you're probably right. He probably gets that much. Centers get paid in this league. Hoping to get him cheap like I suggested is probably more hope then likely reality. Which is why I said, if you could do it, I would ink him. If you have to sign him for 3 years at 10 plus mil, not sure if I would jump on that. We will see what the supply and demand is and how the new CBA affects things.

[Dark Faze]

Let's be realistic. Love isn't coming to DC.

We'd have to decimate the lineup to get him to the Wizards, and any perceived upside beyond Wall.

Beal/Porter is the bare minimum what they'd take more than likely. Love then suddenly is surrounded by yet another extremely talented, but poor shooting PG, and a poor man's Pekovic in Gortat. Bigger issue is there is no way in hell Love agrees to an extension with the Wizards pre-trade. Just don't see it happening.

Wish it were different, but with his leverage I suspect he'd love to be the next savior for the Lakers or find his way to GS.

I agree that Love won't come to DC as a free agent because we'd have to gut the team to create the cap room to sign him. I disagree that he wouldn't sign an extension though. Outside of Love, we have more talent than Minnesota. Wall is a good bit better than Rubio. Webster and Ariza are WAY better than what they have a SF. Gortat more or less equals Pekovic. And we have Nene.

Nate can show me a predicted figure of our potential payouts and whats left over after Nene expires? Because I'm doing the math and not seeing what you do.

[pcbothwel]

In looking at possible suitors for an Ariza trade I was playing around with possible 3-ways with Detroit. I needed a team that would want Charlie V's expiring (tankers) and the Bucks popped up. I didn't realize how bad Ilyasova has done. He hurt his ankle(pretty bad) and missed the whole preseason. Came back for a couple games and hurt the same ankle. Then he gets back and was shut down a couple days ago. Bucks fans says he doesn't look anything like himself.

Is there a potential 3-way trade here that is worth taking on Ersan?
Something with us taking in Stuckey and Ilyasova
Sending Ariza to Detroit
And Detroit sending Villanueva plus assets (they have Siva, KCP, T. Mitchell)

Obviously more needs to be done, but just a thought that nets us a 3rd guard and Big man depth

[verbal8]

In looking at possible suitors for an Ariza trade I was playing around with possible 3-ways with Detroit. I needed a team that would want Charlie V's expiring (tankers) and the Bucks popped up. I didn't realize how bad Ilyasova has done. He hurt his ankle(pretty bad) and missed the whole preseason. Came back for a couple games and hurt the same ankle. Then he gets back and was shut down a couple days ago. Bucks fans says he doesn't look anything like himself.

Is there a potential 3-way trade here that is worth taking on Ersan?
Something with us taking in Stuckey and Ilyasova
Sending Ariza to Detroit
And Detroit sending Villanueva plus assets (they have Siva, KCP, T. Mitchell)

Obviously more needs to be done, but just a thought that nets us a 3rd guard and Big man depth

If Detroit and Milwaukee would bite on a deal where the Wizards send out Ariza and Vesley, Seraphin and Singleton or Maynor, I would go for it.

I think a more likely move is using Ariza and Seraphin to get Ersan and dump Maynor. The Bucks might take Charlie V to get out of Ersan's deal and take a look at Seraphin. Detroit should be willing to take on Maynor and may even throw a small incentive in the deal.

[nate33]

In looking at possible suitors for an Ariza trade I was playing around with possible 3-ways with Detroit. I needed a team that would want Charlie V's expiring (tankers) and the Bucks popped up. I didn't realize how bad Ilyasova has done. He hurt his ankle(pretty bad) and missed the whole preseason. Came back for a couple games and hurt the same ankle. Then he gets back and was shut down a couple days ago. Bucks fans says he doesn't look anything like himself.

Is there a potential 3-way trade here that is worth taking on Ersan?
Something with us taking in Stuckey and Ilyasova
Sending Ariza to Detroit
And Detroit sending Villanueva plus assets (they have Siva, KCP, T. Mitchell)

Obviously more needs to be done, but just a thought that nets us a 3rd guard and Big man depth

If Ilyasova is hurt and not playing well, I should think that Ariza himself is worth Ilyasova straight up. I get that Milwaukee would probably prefer young assets instead of Ilyasova so maybe Ariza should be laundered through a third team like Detroit, but I'm not giving up anything extra in an Ariza for Ilyasova trade.

Frankly, I would prefer to trade Porter + Maynor for Ilyasova, if Milwaukee would go for it.

[verbal8]

If Ilyasova is hurt and not playing well, I should think that Ariza himself is worth Ilyasova straight up. I get that Milwaukee would probably prefer young assets instead of Ilyasova so maybe Ariza should be laundered through a third team like Detroit, but I'm not giving up anything extra in an Ariza for Ilyasova trade.

Frankly, I would prefer to trade Porter + Maynor for Ilyasova, if Milwaukee would go for it.

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

[Ruzious]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

[nuposse04]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

Well we can guarantee them a top pick by sending Maynor+Jan+Singleton + for Ersan.

[verbal8]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

I think most agree that Ariza would have to be sent to a 3rd team for filler/incentive. Detroit being an obvious 3rd team.

[Dat2U]

If Ilyasova is hurt and not playing well, I should think that Ariza himself is worth Ilyasova straight up. I get that Milwaukee would probably prefer young assets instead of Ilyasova so maybe Ariza should be laundered through a third team like Detroit, but I'm not giving up anything extra in an Ariza for Ilyasova trade.

Frankly, I would prefer to trade Porter + Maynor for Ilyasova, if Milwaukee would go for it.

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Ilyasova is a great buy at this point but Ariza does Milwaukee no good as a productive SF that would improve the team.

And Porter is too much value for a guy with a PER below 10 on a deal with 2 and half years left on it.

I'd give them EG's expirings for Ilyasova and see if they take the cap savings as enough of a benefit.

[nate33]

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Yeah. Good point about selling low on Porter and selling high on Ariza. Sometimes, I just need to be talked off the ledge. I'm really down on Porter right now. I should be more patient.

I'd love to sell high on Ariza, but I fear that his value is capped because of his expiring contract. It doesn't really matter how good he plays. Nobody is going to sacrifice much for a 4-month rental.

[Dark Faze]

I'm surprised people are still interested in a stretch 4 at this point that isn't Kevin Love or LMA. If we are picking up a starter at PF he needs to be all-star caliber.

[mhd]

If Ilyasova is hurt and not playing well, I should think that Ariza himself is worth Ilyasova straight up. I get that Milwaukee would probably prefer young assets instead of Ilyasova so maybe Ariza should be laundered through a third team like Detroit, but I'm not giving up anything extra in an Ariza for Ilyasova trade.

Frankly, I would prefer to trade Porter + Maynor for Ilyasova, if Milwaukee would go for it.

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Ilyasova is a great buy at this point but Ariza does Milwaukee no good as a productive SF that would improve the team.

And Porter is too much value for a guy with a PER below 10 on a deal with 2 and half years left on it.

I'd give them EG's expirings for Ilyasova and see if they take the cap savings as enough of a benefit.

I think Illyasova is still highly thought of. He's just been part of a horrible situation. The "Wall" Effect would do wonders on him. If Porter is the bust that I fear he is, then trading him now isn't the worst thing in the world. Porter isn't cheap (The 3rd pick gets paid relatively well), and it is going to take him ages to perform, then it would behoove us not to imagine the possibilities.

Compare Porter with Giannis (who I said before the season had WAY more potential than Porter does). Giannis is making 1.7 million while Porter is making 4.2 million. That's significant.

If you polled every FO in the NBA, not a single one (except ours) would take Porter over Giannis.

[mhd]

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Yeah. Good point about selling low on Porter and selling high on Ariza. Sometimes, I just need to be talked off the ledge. I'm really down on Porter right now. I should be more patient.

I'd love to sell high on Ariza, but I fear that his value is capped because of his expiring contract. It doesn't really matter how good he plays. Nobody is going to sacrifice much for a 4-month rental.

Except our dumb gm

If Ariza's cost gets out of control, we can always S&T him, ala what the Bucks did with Reddick. There isn't a GM dumb enough to trade away a Tobias Harris for a rental this year like the Bucks did last year. What's the best we could get? The Spurs 1st rounder? Even in this draft, that late 1st rounder just isn't enough to sacrifice Ariza.

[mhd]

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Yeah. Good point about selling low on Porter and selling high on Ariza. Sometimes, I just need to be talked off the ledge. I'm really down on Porter right now. I should be more patient.

I'd love to sell high on Ariza, but I fear that his value is capped because of his expiring contract. It doesn't really matter how good he plays. Nobody is going to sacrifice much for a 4-month rental.

If we resign Ariza, then Porter won't ever have his stock raised. There won't be any PT. My trade scenerios involving Porter is to try and get similar young assets, (who are cheap), to fill in at weaknesses we have (young bigs and combo guards).

[nate33]

If we resign Ariza, then Porter won't ever have his stock raised. There won't be any PT. My trade scenerios involving Porter is to try and get similar young assets, (who are cheap), to fill in at weaknesses we have (young bigs and combo guards).

I'm not worried about this. If Porter is good, we will know and the league will know. He'll get his opportunities. There's about 10 minutes a game available for him right now if he could earn it. There's also injuries to consider.

[fishercob]

If Ilyasova is hurt and not playing well, I should think that Ariza himself is worth Ilyasova straight up. I get that Milwaukee would probably prefer young assets instead of Ilyasova so maybe Ariza should be laundered through a third team like Detroit, but I'm not giving up anything extra in an Ariza for Ilyasova trade.

Frankly, I would prefer to trade Porter + Maynor for Ilyasova, if Milwaukee would go for it.

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Ilyasova is a great buy at this point but Ariza does Milwaukee no good as a productive SF that would improve the team.

And Porter is too much value for a guy with a PER below 10 on a deal with 2 and half years left on it.

I'd give them EG's expirings for Ilyasova and see if they take the cap savings as enough of a benefit.

I'd include Rice as incentive.

Rice+Vesely+Seraphin for Ilyasova works. In an ideal world we'd keep do Singelton instead of Seraphin but the money doesn't quite work. But to add a young talent like Ilyasova for very little would be spectacular. Re-sign Ariza, and you have:

Wall-Beal-Ariza-Ilyasova-Gortat
Nene-Webster-Porter
Hopefully Booker re-signed on the cheap
The MLE

That team should be very good next year and it's an asset base from we can be buyers.

[Dark Faze]

there's just no way I trade Porter this early. If we acquired him while Beal was in his fourth season and Wall his 6th then timing might mean something, but we just locked Wall up for many years and this is only Beals second--I would literally let Ariza walk for nothing for the mere chance at seeing if Porter can develop if that was my only option.

Go look back at most SF's in this league--other than the Lebrons, Durants and Carmelos of the world most project forwards have absolutely terrible per minute production for their rookie seasons. This includes Luol Deng, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Tayshaun Prince, Scottie Pippen, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay...and I could keep going.

Simply put we have no idea what we have--personally I still believe in Porter, but trading him because a contract year player is hot just seems foolish.

[Ruzious]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

Well we can guarantee them a top pick by sending Maynor+Jan+Singleton + for Ersan.

But they do want to be better next season.

[nuposse04]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

Well we can guarantee them a top pick by sending Maynor+Jan+Singleton + for Ersan.

But they do want to be better next season.

This is the beauty of it for them tho, Wiggins/Parker now, Okafor next season.