Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[pcbothwel]

I think Ilyasova is a good "buy low" option at this point, however I think dealing Porter at this point is also selling low, which counteracts the advantage. I would rather sell high with Ariza, although it likely requires a 3rd team. If the Wizards send Porter to Milwaukee, they should try to get Sanders in return.

Honestly at this point I would think that dumping Maynor should be an option in an Ariza/Ilyasova deal.

Ilyasova is a great buy at this point but Ariza does Milwaukee no good as a productive SF that would improve the team.

And Porter is too much value for a guy with a PER below 10 on a deal with 2 and half years left on it.

I'd give them EG's expirings for Ilyasova and see if they take the cap savings as enough of a benefit.

I'd include Rice as incentive.

Rice+Vesely+Seraphin for Ilyasova works. In an ideal world we'd keep do Singelton instead of Seraphin but the money doesn't quite work. But to add a young talent like Ilyasova for very little would be spectacular. Re-sign Ariza, and you have:

Wall-Beal-Ariza-Ilyasova-Gortat
Nene-Webster-Porter
Hopefully Booker re-signed on the cheap
The MLE

That team should be very good next year and it's an asset base from we can be buyers.

I still think we're left putting a lot on our Back court. I also think you underestimate not having Seraphin or Vesely for some spot up minutes. Having only Gortat as a true C and Nene as the only other option is set up for disaster. I think losing Ariza but gaining Stuckey and dropping Mayner might be worth it to us. Id even try to get Wolters...hmmm

To Wiz:
Stuckey, Ilyasova, M. Radujica, Wolters

To Det:
Ariza, Vesely, Seraphin, Maynor, Singleton

To Bucks:
CV, T. Mitchell, Siva

Wall / Wolters / Temple
Beal / Stuckey / Webster
Webster / (Porter & Rice) / Ilyasova
Nene/ Ilyasova / Booker
Gortat/ Nene/ Radujica

I'd even add in Rice going to the Bucks as well...Thoughts?

[fishercob]

I like my scenario better

Vesely and Seraphin can be replaced pretty easily. if not this year, than surely this summer via the MLE or even the vet minimum. I;d much rather have Ariza (and his Bird Rights) than Stuckey.

Plenty of serviceable backup G's in FA this summer -- Sessions, Hinrich, Lowry, Patty Mills, Steve Blake and several guys who could opt out of the final year of their deals to get a chunk of the MLE -- Nate, Mo Williams, Andre Miller.

This is a good summer to be shopping for a backup PG>.

[Dat2U]

there's just no way I trade Porter this early. If we acquired him while Beal was in his fourth season and Wall his 6th then timing might mean something, but we just locked Wall up for many years and this is only Beals second--I would literally let Ariza walk for nothing for the mere chance at seeing if Porter can develop if that was my only option.

Go look back at most SF's in this league--other than the Lebrons, Durants and Carmelos of the world most project forwards have absolutely terrible per minute production for their rookie seasons. This includes Luol Deng, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Tayshaun Prince, Scottie Pippen, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay...and I could keep going.

Simply put we have no idea what we have--personally I still believe in Porter, but trading him because a contract year player is hot just seems foolish.

Too add to this, there's no way in hell I'd bring back Ariza if were keeping Porter. It would be akin to devaluing our own asset to re-sign Ariza and keep Webster while not giving Porter any opportunity to really make his mark on our roster.

In any case, even if Porter wasn't around, keeping Ariza may not be the best move in our long term interests. Ignoring the fact that it is a contract year (even if he's great fit with Wall) is still ignoring what history generally tells us... he's not going to play (or shoot) as well once he gets that new contract.

It makes so much sense long term to deal Ariza now for an asset but that goes against everything this lousy front office stands for. Were all in... so Ariza is too important for the cause. Once the offseason comes, Ariza will be too important to lose (along with Gortat) so we'll pay far above market value because Ernie likes to bid against those imaginary GMs agents come up with.

[fishercob]

there's just no way I trade Porter this early. If we acquired him while Beal was in his fourth season and Wall his 6th then timing might mean something, but we just locked Wall up for many years and this is only Beals second--I would literally let Ariza walk for nothing for the mere chance at seeing if Porter can develop if that was my only option.

Go look back at most SF's in this league--other than the Lebrons, Durants and Carmelos of the world most project forwards have absolutely terrible per minute production for their rookie seasons. This includes Luol Deng, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Tayshaun Prince, Scottie Pippen, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay...and I could keep going.

Simply put we have no idea what we have--personally I still believe in Porter, but trading him because a contract year player is hot just seems foolish.

Too add to this, there's no way in hell I'd bring back Ariza if were keeping Porter. It would be akin to devaluing our own asset to re-sign Ariza and keep Webster while not giving Porter any opportunity to really make his mark on our roster.

In any case, even if Porter wasn't around, keeping Ariza may not be the best move in our long term interests. Ignoring the fact that it is a contract year (even if he's great fit with Wall) is still ignoring what history generally tells us... he's not going to play (or shoot) as well once he gets that new contract.

It makes so much sense long term to deal Ariza now for an asset but that goes against everything this lousy front office stands for. Were all in... so Ariza is too important for the cause. Once the offseason comes, Ariza will be too important to lose (along with Gortat) so we'll pay far above market value because Ernie likes to bid against those imaginary GMs agents come up with.

Can't say I agree with most of this.

Ariza shot really well last year with Wall too. This isn't just contract year production. I'd be fine re-signing him -- and if Porter demonstrates that he's ready -- trading Ariza after 12/15, the same way Denver re-signed and then traded Nene. But Otto has a long way to go.

Because Ariza is expiring, I don't think we're likely to get enough of an asset back for him that it would be worth trading him. We could probably get that same level of asset by keeping him through the season and S&T'ing him if we decide we want to move on.

[Ruzious]

Well we can guarantee them a top pick by sending Maynor+Jan+Singleton + for Ersan.

But they do want to be better next season.

This is the beauty of it for them tho, Wiggins/Parker now, Okafor next season.

Hmm, they should give us Henson, too - for helping them out.

Actually, even though young Okafor is rated the top prospect for next year, I wasn't very impressed with his showing on a game televised by ESPN a couple weeks ago. He's an enormous person, but he doesn't get off the ground well, he doesn't block out well for rebunds, he doesn't seem to have grasped the concept of having teammates that he can pass the ball to, and he's got a weight issue.

[pcbothwel]

I like my scenario better

Vesely and Seraphin can be replaced pretty easily. if not this year, than surely this summer via the MLE or even the vet minimum. I;d much rather have Ariza (and his Bird Rights) than Stuckey.

Plenty of serviceable backup G's in FA this summer -- Sessions, Hinrich, Lowry, Patty Mills, Steve Blake and several guys who could opt out of the final year of their deals to get a chunk of the MLE -- Nate, Mo Williams, Andre Miller.

This is a good summer to be shopping for a backup PG>.

Fair enough, but the difference is not Stuckey vs Ariza. Its Ariza vs Stuckey, Wolters, and Radujica while getting rid of Maynor...BIG Difference. If you can get a solid backup pg and C for next 3 years at under 7 Mil total(2.3 per year)...you do it. Wolters and Rad combined make what Maynor makes this year and next.

[nuposse04]

But they do want to be better next season.

This is the beauty of it for them tho, Wiggins/Parker now, Okafor next season.

Hmm, they should give us Henson, too - for helping them out.

Actually, even though young Okafor is rated the top prospect for next year, I wasn't very impressed with his showing on a game televised by ESPN a couple weeks ago. He's an enormous person, but he doesn't get off the ground well, he doesn't block out well for rebunds, he doesn't seem to have grasped the concept of having teammates that he can pass the ball to, and he's got a weight issue.

The bucks might have the only owner/FO in the NBA that is more incompetent then ours. They have a plethora of very good bigs, but perhaps not very healthy. Henson is probably untouchable for them. I think Sanders is extract-able. Ersan too. If their FO really wants Embid in this draft they may be willing to part with Sanders. Maybe they'd consider Nene+Porter for Sanders, and they can flip Porter elsewhere for a SG (waiters, Afflalo). I don't know, I'm just hoping Sanders does bad when he returns and we try to buy him low.

Another guy worth exploring is Ed Davis. Mem has virtually no floor spacing, and Conley is a good PG so he could fit in well there. I don't know if Memphis is still all in on the "win-now" stuff though.

As to Okafor, I've only seen highlights, so I don't know his flaws.

[Ruzious]

This is the beauty of it for them tho, Wiggins/Parker now, Okafor next season.

Hmm, they should give us Henson, too - for helping them out.

Actually, even though young Okafor is rated the top prospect for next year, I wasn't very impressed with his showing on a game televised by ESPN a couple weeks ago. He's an enormous person, but he doesn't get off the ground well, he doesn't block out well for rebunds, he doesn't seem to have grasped the concept of having teammates that he can pass the ball to, and he's got a weight issue.

The bucks might have the only owner/FO in the NBA that is more incompetent then ours. They have a plethora of very good bigs, but perhaps not very healthy. Henson is probably untouchable for them. I think Sanders is extract-able. Ersan too. If their FO really wants Embid in this draft they may be willing to part with Sanders. Maybe they'd consider Nene+Porter for Sanders, and they can flip Porter elsewhere for a SG (waiters, Afflalo). I don't know, I'm just hoping Sanders does bad when he returns and we try to buy him low.

Another guy worth exploring is Ed Davis. Mem has virtually no floor spacing, and Conley is a good PG so he could fit in well there. I don't know if Memphis is still all in on the "win-now" stuff though.

As to Okafor, I've only seen highlights, so I don't know his flaws.

Sanders could very well be available in the offseason - due to his off-court issues. Because he signed an extension with a huge raise, you almost have to be a mathematician to figure out a trade that would work under the CBA for this season.

[J-Ves]

I still say Ersan is the player on the Bucks to target. They aren't going to trade Henson and will expect great value for Saunders. Unfortunately Illyasova has played poorly this year and is currently out with an injured ankle. If the bucks refuse a low ball offer of rice+ expirings for Ersan and insist on Porter then the Wiz have to get more back. I'd start with Porter+ Maynor for Ersan+ Wolters but I still think the Wizards need another minor asset coming back for this deal to be fair.

[payitforward]

Don't expect a trade with Milwaukee - particularly one that would improve them this season. Bucks fans are salivating at the thought of getting a top 3 pick.

Btw, Embiid has shot ahead as the clear favorite in their draft thread.

Well we can guarantee them a top pick by sending Maynor+Jan+Singleton + for Ersan.

LOL !!

[TGW]

I'd offer them Webster and Maynor for Illy and Middleton and see if they bite. I'd overpay for Ariza in the offseason, and go with our starting lineup with Illy starting instead of Booker, and just continue to bring Nene off the bench.

[Dark Faze]

Is this trade at all plausible?

Wiz in: Asik, Lou Williams

ATL In: Gortat, Ariza

Hou In: Millsap

It seems like a stretch, but I can't help but to think that Morey offered Asik for Millsap straight up and the Hawks declined. There are a number of reasons why--maybe getting Gortat and Ariza could push them over the edge.


Teague, Korver, Ariza, Horford, Gortat

[mhd]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

[Rafael122]

Is this trade at all plausible?

Wiz in: Asik, Lou Williams

ATL In: Gortat, Ariza

Hou In: Millsap

It seems like a stretch, but I can't help but to think that Morey offered Asik for Millsap straight up and the Hawks declined. There are a number of reasons why--maybe getting Gortat and Ariza could push them over the edge.


Teague, Korver, Ariza, Horford, Gortat

If anything, I'd rather get Millsap. Seems like we're giving up an awful lot. Plus Asik is going to make $15 mil if he's traded to a new team.

[nuposse04]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

[GeeWiz]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

The first rounder kills the trade. No thank-you.


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[nate33]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

The first rounder kills the trade. No thank-you.


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We can't include the 1st rounder anyhow.

[nuposse04]

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

The first rounder kills the trade. No thank-you.


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We can't include the 1st rounder anyhow.

do we not own our '16 1st rounder? :/ Is it cause of the Gortat trade? I'm fairly certain PHX will get what we owe em this season...

[J-Ves]

The first rounder kills the trade. No thank-you.


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We can't include the 1st rounder anyhow.

do we not own our '16 1st rounder? :/ Is it cause of the Gortat trade? I'm fairly certain PHX will get what we owe em this season...

We cant trade a 1st rounder until our obligated 1st is forked over to Phoenix, or at least the ones that are protected anyway.

[TGW]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

That's a terrible trade. Kanter has looked bad this year—Porter should be enough.