Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[god shammgod]

player development happens mostly in the summer when there's time for you to concentrate on improving something. but it's still up to the player to put in the work. if you remember the team wasn't thrilled with shumpert in the summer because of this. how can you blame them ?

They weren't thrilled he didn't stick around for Summer league but that's not the whole summer.

Does anybody think this guy is lazy?

they wanted him to work on ball handling. summer league wasn't about the games it was about time with the coaching staff. he also had a knee procedure over the summer so that cut down his time to work. he could have stayed and worked but he went on a promotional tour instead. so i don't think he put in much work this summer. no.

[boomann21]

player development happens mostly in the summer when there's time for you to concentrate on improving something. but it's still up to the player to put in the work. if you remember the team wasn't thrilled with shumpert in the summer because of this. how can you blame them ?

That's the point I'm trying to make. Most young players come back with a improved skill set after their first and second year because they have adjusted and start to put in the work to be successful in this league. With the way Shump ran for the hills during the Summer and left like he was a complete product then I expected him to show up and show out this year.

[johnnywishbone]

player development happens mostly in the summer when there's time for you to concentrate on improving something. but it's still up to the player to put in the work. if you remember the team wasn't thrilled with shumpert in the summer because of this. how can you blame them ?

They weren't thrilled he didn't stick around for Summer league but that's not the whole summer.

Does anybody think this guy is lazy?

they wanted him to work on ball handling. summer league wasn't about the games it was about time with the coaching staff. he also had a knee procedure over the summer so that cut down his time to work. he could have stayed and worked but he went on a promotional tour instead. so i don't think he put in much work this summer. no.

I think he came into the season playing better than he is right now. They took the wind out of his sails by constantly shopping him and creating this fight over the starting spot with JR.

I'm not putting it all on them. But I believe this is an organization that doesn't value player development like it should.

[johnnywishbone]

player development happens mostly in the summer when there's time for you to concentrate on improving something. but it's still up to the player to put in the work. if you remember the team wasn't thrilled with shumpert in the summer because of this. how can you blame them ?

That's the point I'm trying to make. Most young players come back with a improved skill set after their first and second year because they have adjusted and start to put in the work to be successful in this league. With the way Shump ran for the hills during the Summer and left like he was a complete product then I expected him to show up and show out this year.

Or maybe he was just a third year player who didn't anticipate that he would be asked to stay for Summer league so he booked his schedule. And the fact that they didn't understand that and basically threw a hissy fit and tried to move him wasn't a positive motivation technique.

[god shammgod]

player development happens mostly in the summer when there's time for you to concentrate on improving something. but it's still up to the player to put in the work. if you remember the team wasn't thrilled with shumpert in the summer because of this. how can you blame them ?

That's the point I'm trying to make. Most young players come back with a improved skill set after their first and second year because they have adjusted and start to put in the work to be successful in this league. With the way Shump ran for the hills during the Summer and left like he was a complete product then I expected him to show up and show out this year.

Or maybe he was just a third year player who didn't anticipate that he would be asked to stay for Summer league so he booked his schedule. And the fact that they didn't understand that and basically threw a hissy fit and tried to move him wasn't a positive motivation technique.

he talked about summer league in his exit interview. it was a plan before the summer started.

[johnnywishbone]

That's the point I'm trying to make. Most young players come back with a improved skill set after their first and second year because they have adjusted and start to put in the work to be successful in this league. With the way Shump ran for the hills during the Summer and left like he was a complete product then I expected him to show up and show out this year.

Or maybe he was just a third year player who didn't anticipate that he would be asked to stay for Summer league so he booked his schedule. And the fact that they didn't understand that and basically threw a hissy fit and tried to move him wasn't a positive motivation technique.

he talked about summer league in his exit interview. it was a plan before the summer started.

I don't recall that but if you say so I believe it.

[Johnny Hoops]

Someone name me a worse starting SG, please.

Thinking.....hold on still thinking.....hold on damnit...give me another minute....thinking...................

[boomann21]

Who are you talking about? Josh Smith? Do you think he's been developed into a player that's inline with his talent level?

This coach wants vets over youth. Isn't that obvious? I think he is only playing Tim Hardaway because his forced to by the fact that JR and Iman have sucked so bad. But he still isn't ready to say hey you've won the spot because of what you're doing. And he keeps going back to his vet no matter how bad he plays i.e. 17 3s in one game.

Center Zaza Pachulia said Woodson deserved credit for the team's progress but eventually became a victim of the increased expectations. "We grew up as a team and as players. He helped a lot of players get better," Pachulia told the AP. "But when you get better, you want even more. I think we're in the stage now where it's not about progress. It's about winning a championship."

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/14/hawks.woodson.out/

I think a lot of the players who played for him would disagree with your evaluation of his development of players, but It's cool. We'll agree to disagree.

[Johnny Hoops]

Shump is a young player that is shook right now. Not the first. Won't be the last. He will snap out of it.

How soon we forget that he was our best players vs. the Pacers. The board may have forgotten but execs around the league have not.

Peoples' memory of Shump's performance in that series is EXTREMELY skewed by an incredible 2 MINUTE stretch he had to get us back into game 6 (which we ultimately lost anyway).

There was absolutely nothing exceptional about Shump in that series. He had 2 good games and 4 sh*tty ones. He had 9.7ppg on 38% shooting, which are right around his career averages.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6468/year/2013/iman-shumpert

Thank you for putting some actual #s around that playoff performance.

I mentioned this on a number of occasions and even a few of the 3's he threw in were awful shots from about 28 feet with no offensive rebounder around.

Shump's biggest issue is a complete lack of fundamental basketball skills -- damn he can't even run normally.

[god shammgod]

Or maybe he was just a third year player who didn't anticipate that he would be asked to stay for Summer league so he booked his schedule. And the fact that they didn't understand that and basically threw a hissy fit and tried to move him wasn't a positive motivation technique.

he talked about summer league in his exit interview. it was a plan before the summer started.

I don't recall that but if you say so I believe it.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman

Iman Shumpert said coaches want him to play in summer league in Las Vegas. He has never played summer league.

12:58 PM - 20 May 13


look at the date

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/20/iman-shumpert-may-be-playing-in-vegas-summer-league/

[boomann21]

Who are you talking about? Josh Smith? Do you think he's been developed into a player that's inline with his talent level?

This coach wants vets over youth. Isn't that obvious? I think he is only playing Tim Hardaway because his forced to by the fact that JR and Iman have sucked so bad. But he still isn't ready to say hey you've won the spot because of what you're doing. And he keeps going back to his vet no matter how bad he plays i.e. 17 3s in one game.

Here is another quote that is interesting about Woodson and his coaching stint in ATL

In 2005-06, Woodson's second season as the Hawks' coach, Atlanta players were 24 years and 364 days old on average—the youngest in the league, according to Stats LLC. For context, the oldest player on that team that saw regular minutes (Tyronn Lue, at age 28) was younger than the Knicks' youngest rookie (Chris Copeland, who's 29) is now.

That team kept progressing until the point the won 50 some odd games. I don't see how his development of young players can even come into question when you look at his resume.

[johnnywishbone]

Who are you talking about? Josh Smith? Do you think he's been developed into a player that's inline with his talent level?

This coach wants vets over youth. Isn't that obvious? I think he is only playing Tim Hardaway because his forced to by the fact that JR and Iman have sucked so bad. But he still isn't ready to say hey you've won the spot because of what you're doing. And he keeps going back to his vet no matter how bad he plays i.e. 17 3s in one game.

Center Zaza Pachulia said Woodson deserved credit for the team's progress but eventually became a victim of the increased expectations. "We grew up as a team and as players. He helped a lot of players get better," Pachulia told the AP. "But when you get better, you want even more. I think we're in the stage now where it's not about progress. It's about winning a championship."

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/14/hawks.woodson.out/

I think a lot of the players who played for him would disagree with your evaluation of his development of players, but It's cool. We'll agree to disagree.

Right on. My only point is that maybe Iman would have been a better fit with a team like the Pacers (who had a lot of young players) or Spurs (where you have a clearly defined role) than the Knicks which were a veteran team where it was kind of expected that you knew how to play.

[Damas]

Shump literally has next season to turn it around or he will be as irrelevant as Fields is in Toronto. In 5 years he will be out of the league.

NY was the most perfect situation for him to get significant minutes and contribute to a team that supposed to be contending. Any other team in the league would have buried in him the bench giving him 5-10 minutes a game at most.

Kid better get his head screwed right or his career will end prematurely.

[OAKLEYISMS]

SHUMP IS BACK YO. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[boomann21]

Who are you talking about? Josh Smith? Do you think he's been developed into a player that's inline with his talent level?

This coach wants vets over youth. Isn't that obvious? I think he is only playing Tim Hardaway because his forced to by the fact that JR and Iman have sucked so bad. But he still isn't ready to say hey you've won the spot because of what you're doing. And he keeps going back to his vet no matter how bad he plays i.e. 17 3s in one game.

Center Zaza Pachulia said Woodson deserved credit for the team's progress but eventually became a victim of the increased expectations. "We grew up as a team and as players. He helped a lot of players get better," Pachulia told the AP. "But when you get better, you want even more. I think we're in the stage now where it's not about progress. It's about winning a championship."

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/14/hawks.woodson.out/

I think a lot of the players who played for him would disagree with your evaluation of his development of players, but It's cool. We'll agree to disagree.

Right on. My only point is that maybe Iman would have been a better fit with a team like the Pacers (who had a lot of young players) or Spurs (where you have a clearly defined role) than the Knicks which were a veteran team where it was kind of expected that you knew how to play.

Well if that is what you are saying then I must agree

[Boarder Patrol]

This is the kind of night I'd be content with seeing from him. Clean up the boards well, play energetic defense, and knock down a couple of open looks.

[draftbarnes]

Kid needs to learn to dribble and finish the hoop, he is not as good as some people think around here.

[iAdoreeKnicks]

big defensive plays by shumpert today, nice to see him hit some shots today. someone needs to teach him how to dribble.

[Thugger HBC]

Kid needs to learn to dribble and finish the hoop, he is not as good as some people think around here.

If he brings the defense, I don't care about the other stuff.

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[NOOB77]

Shump needs to play D like he did today and make the corner three at a decent clip. I could care less about dribbling or finishing. He is a 3D guy he needs to work on that. Play great D. Pick up about 6 boards. And average about 10 points. That would be awesome from Shump