MVP discussion thread

[Antrim]

Kevin Love just put up a 45/19/6. The Timberwolves didn't win, so I doubt most people will remember it. But it deserves a mention.

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He's also playing some of the worst defense in the history of NBA superstars, that probably deserves some kind of mention too.

[Tave]

That's hyperbole. He's come a long way since his rookie season and is no longer a liability on that end. He's not a lockdown man defender, and he's not a rim protector, but he understands how to position himself and generally plays fundamentally sound team defense.

[NH13]

Kevin Love just put up a 45/19/6. The Timberwolves didn't win, so I doubt most people will remember it. But it deserves a mention.

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He's also playing some of the worst defense in the history of NBA superstars, that probably deserves some kind of mention too.

This is severe exaggeration. Love is no Anthony Davis, but his defense is below average at worst.

I have no idea why you're bringing this up, seeing as the only thing I brought up was his stat line from yesterday's game.

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[Antrim]

That's hyperbole. He's come a long way since his rookie season and is no longer a liability on that end. He's not a lockdown man defender, and he's not a rim protector, but he understands how to position himself and generally plays fundamentally sound team defense.

I think you're the one exaggerating when you say he's not a defensive liability.

He's a BAD man to man defender, cannot protect the rim and his help defense is non existent.

It's bad news for your team when your big man is that bad on defense. James Harden is an absolutely horrid defender too, but his shortcomings don't affect his team that much because of his role. I really can't think of a worst defender than Love at his position, I would appreciate any help as I'm sure there's probably some.

This is severe exaggeration. Love is no Anthony Davis, but his defense is below average at worst.

I have no idea why you're bringing this up, seeing as the only thing I brought up was his stat line from yesterday's game.

There is no way Love's defense is anywhere close to "average".

I'm bringing it up because you said he should be mentioned in the MVP talks and I think defense should be part of the consideration.

[NH13]

Honestly, I just wanted to post about his game against the Clips. He's not winning the MVP even if he starts playing D like Bill Russell. His team is too weak.

I have no idea why some superstars have bad defense. Is it a lack of athleticism? Amare wasn't short of athleticism. Is it an IQ problem? I think Love has great BBIQ, maybe it doesn't extend to the defensive end? Or are they just lazy, saving their energy for the glorious offensive end?

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[Hero]

Russ is really carrying the Thunder in these last few games. He was a monster vs the Spurs and then again vs the Raptors.

R. Westbrook 31 Pts, 4 Reb, 8 Ast , 13-22 vs the Spurs
R. Westbrook 27 Pts, 9 Reb, 5 Ast, 2 Stl , 8-17 vs the Raptors


1. LeBron
2. KD
3. Paul George


KD needs a bigger lead to be number one when you consider what LeBron is going once again.

[MisterWestside]

He's also playing some of the worst defense in the history of NBA superstars, that probably deserves some kind of mention too.

Despite playing the most minutes, his team his ranked 11th in defense. Value wise, the T'Wolves are an above-average defensive team with Love on the floor; when Love is off the floor, the T'Wolves are just a point better per 100 possessions.

Kinda hard to argue that he's somehow playing the crappiest defense of any superstar in history here.

[colonel_von]

The top 3 team in the west are 27-1 against the East

Make that 27-2 because of Kevin "second place 4 lyfe" Durant

[BayInferno]

Does Lillard at least get a mention? He's been clutch as hell lately

Shooting under 40%, there should be a requirement in the MVP race that you have to be shooting at least 43%, under 40% is automatic disqualification.

He's at 41 now, but to be fair, he's shooting 43% on 3's so his TS is actually pretty damn good right now. And as he slowly goes back to his regular 2P% shooting, it should get around 43

[Pure_Basketball]

Does Lillard at least get a mention? He's been clutch as hell lately

Shooting under 40%, there should be a requirement in the MVP race that you have to be shooting at least 43%, under 40% is automatic disqualification.

He's shooting 41%, and he's not 24 either. Do people actually look stuff up before they say them?

Not sure why you're quoting me about the 24 part.... Anyway, a few good games on high volume has bumped him slightly over 40%, like I was so far off the mark in the first place

It's clear that Lamarcus Aldridge has been the better player out of the two anyway and more instrumental for his team, I'm not sure how many people would argue against that. SO when you have someone on your team who is more valuable than you are, there's no way you're winning a championship.

[Antrim]

He's also playing some of the worst defense in the history of NBA superstars, that probably deserves some kind of mention too.

Despite playing the most minutes, his team his ranked 11th in defense. Value wise, the T'Wolves are an above-average defensive team with Love on the floor; when Love is off the floor, the T'Wolves are just a point better per 100 possessions.

Kinda hard to argue that he's somehow playing the crappiest defense of any superstar in history here.

Actually it's really easy, watch the guy play defense and you will quickly understand.

[Hambone93]

He's also playing some of the worst defense in the history of NBA superstars, that probably deserves some kind of mention too.

Despite playing the most minutes, his team his ranked 11th in defense. Value wise, the T'Wolves are an above-average defensive team with Love on the floor; when Love is off the floor, the T'Wolves are just a point better per 100 possessions.

Kinda hard to argue that he's somehow playing the crappiest defense of any superstar in history here.

Actually it's really easy, watch the guy play defense and you will quickly understand.

He meant if you actually knew what you were talking about.

If your dead set on being ignorant then it's very easy to argue it.

[J-Mezzy]

I think Dwight Howard will join this conversation later on.

[MisterWestside]

Actually it's really easy, watch the guy play defense and you will quickly understand.

Hey, you came up with that claim, not me.

Perhaps Love is playing historically crappy defense, but you'd have to verify this (by the way, I watch the games too, and Love is a middling defender, not an all-time crappy one.) And even if he is, value wise it's not hurting the T'Wolves.

[Woodsanity]

Love is a below average defender but he is no Amare Stoudemire. His poor defense definitely hurts though but overall he is still a high impact player.

[Apollo64]

Based on how he has played so far, i'd put Love at #4 in player rankings behind LeBron, CP3, Durant. Dude produces like a prime Charles Barkley.

[Woodsanity]

Based on how he has played so far, i'd put Love at #4 in player rankings behind LeBron, CP3, Durant. Dude produces like a prime Charles Barkley.

I have him around 4-5 as well. Not MVP rankings but overall play.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

LeBron in an overtime win, 45 minutes played, 16/28 shooting, 38 points, 8 boards, 6 assists, 0 turnovers, and was all kinds of clutch in the 4th quarter including 2 straight 3's and a poster dunk before delivering the pass to Ray that he was fouled on to tie the game. Also Bosh was out for the last 5 minutes and overtime (Wade didn't play at all).

[pelican piranha]

Lebron so clutch in the 4th. Crazy performance. Definitely ups his stock.

[litex]

Lebron killed Paul Millsap. Dunk of the year material for sure.