A Fork in the Road.

[ecuhus1981]

Alright, the season has not gone as we had hoped. We are too committed to winning now to tear it all down, but I believe we should retool ASAP. The questions is: how? I feel there are two real directions (examples linked):

1) repackage the Boston ex-patriots (KG has an NTC), or

2) blow up the Deron-Brook experiment (trading either or both)

Little moves like Teletovic + r/t Bojan for Lowry are not enough. The longer we play the wait-and-see game, the further we will fall out of the playoff picture. The time to pull the trigger on another big trade is NOW! Which method would YOU prefer? Let me know why you chose what you chose.

P.S. There is not a "let's stand pat" option available!

[Paradise]

NIN said it in the Friday game. We need to put pieces around Deron that can actually keep up with him. So, with this whole Lopez injury coming back to light, It's time to trade him ASAP and get the best value possible for him before he turns into an Amare untradable situation. Put some athletes around Deron and JJ.

Trading KG/Pierce don't do anything for the future years. You aren't getting any prospects or anyone worth while except getting back some player that nobody wants on their team like Boozer, Okafor + filler or something.

But couple of things to take note here: We established ourselves as a classy franchise for better or worse last year. We've already taken a PR hit in the coaching department with the Avery/PJ debacle, so trading KG and Pierce would be a huge PR nightmare (for obvious reasons) unless they are in favor of it as well.

[MrDollarBills]

Can't imagine anyone taking on Brook now. We're stuck with him.

[Prokorov]

Alright, the season has not gone as we had hoped. We are too committed to winning now to tear it all down, but I believe we should retool ASAP. The questions is: how? I feel there are two real directions (examples linked):

1) repackage the Boston ex-patriots (KG has an NTC), or

2) blow up the Deron-Brook experiment (trading either or both)

Little moves like Teletovic + r/t Bojan for Lowry are not enough. The longer we play the wait-and-see game, the further we will fall out of the playoff picture. The time to pull the trigger on another big trade is NOW! Which method would YOU prefer? Let me know why you chose what you chose.

P.S. There is not a "let's stand pat" option available!

if we can trade lopez and dwill for expirings i think that is a no brainer move. with KG ready to retire and pierce an expiring we can almost hit the reset button salary wise. if we can get a pick or 2 in the process then thats gravy.

we are NEVER going to win with dwill and lopez as the core of this team. and i thought that was true BEFORE lopez got hurt. 2 injury prone max players who dont have a great drive to win and are always hurt. thats not how you win.

gut salary, find a running mate for durant in the offseason and then go all in on getting him here in 2016.

also... there is ZERO chance the hawks deal horford for lopez. zero.

[DarkXaero]

You gotta stay still till deadline. If the team situation doesn't get any better by then, and playoffs become a distant possibility, then it would be time to go all out for cap relief, young talent, and as many picks as possible.

[Keith Van Horn]

Don't want to trade Williams. Still think he is vital to this team AND I think he's a PG who will age well due to his size, strength, and vision.

Wouldn't mind trading Lopez at this point. Honestly, if he shows signs of being 100% over the summer, trade him to someone for a set of expiring players or 1st round picks. I just can't take it anymore.

[Nondescript]

Sadly I don't know what this team can do, its basically screwed for the next few years as far as I can see.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What is the point of trading D-Will or Lopez?

There is literally no point to tanking.

Might as well stay somewhat competitive. Maybe this team has an epiphany next year and lives up to their potential.

[ecuhus1981]

What is the point of trading D-Will or Lopez?

There is literally no point to tanking.

While I agree tanking is not a viable option for us, I don't think that trading Deron and/or Brook would constitute tanking. It just depends on what we would get in return.

[ecuhus1981]

also... there is ZERO chance the hawks deal horford for lopez. zero.

While I can appreciate your outside-the-box thinking about our salary structure, I did take exception to the above comment you made at the end. I have heard my share of negative response from ATL fans about the deal I linked, but the Horford-Lopez exchange isn't the crux of the problem. They love Al, but they see the long-term value in Brook. It's just that trading to make us better devalues the ATL-BRK pick swap that they own. We would need to be firmly ahead of the Hawks in the standings by the TDL (thus ensuring the pick swap would not yield anything) in order for them to pull the trigger. Also, I think that Ferry would be inclined to work with fellow Dukie King again, especially if we sweetened the deal with (cliche' alert!) the rights to Bojan Bogdanovic. Danny has a keen eye for international scouting, and if anyone would be willing to value BB at his worth, it'd be him.

[Paradise]

What is the point of trading D-Will or Lopez?

There is literally no point to tanking.

Might as well stay somewhat competitive. Maybe this team has an epiphany next year and lives up to their potential.

I agree and I do not want to tank or basically bottom out every year without a pick but after watching tonight, durability is starting to become a serious issue with Deron and obviously Brook's foot. So, getting out of Deron's contract while he's still fairly healthy is the smart thing to do. His numbers are right where everyone expected so his value stat wise is attractive.

Getting out of Brook's contract while he's still good is the smart thing to do because while we may want to believe It may be a fluke down year...It could be much worse a year later with these injuries.

Atleast, we can get younger, collect assets, clear more cap space and position ourselves for a quick turnaround if we land a superstar like Love.

[kerry kittles]

Here is what can be done:
- Dwill, Mirza, Plumlee for Asik, Lin, and Jones
- Pierce for Boozer and Snell/future 1st.
-KG for Perkins and Lamb
-Dance with the devil and trade Johnson for Amare straight up.

Not saying I would necessarily do this all, but it is probably the quickest way to blow it up while getting some young players in return. All salary besides Lopez would be off the books after 2014-2015.

[ecuhus1981]

Here is what can be done:
- Dwill, Mirza, Plumlee for Asik, Lin, and Jones
- Pierce for Boozer/Snell or a future 1st.
-Dance with the devil and trade Johnson for Amare straight up.

Not saying I would necessarily do this all, but it is probably the quick way to blow it up while getting some young players in return. All salary besides Lopez would be off the books after 2014-2015.

1) I wouldn't deal Deron to HOU without getting Parsons in return. They can keep Jones, I'll even chip in AK47 if they want a replacement point forward for their system.

2) I could see this. But...

3) ...if we're gaining a PF and losing a swingman, I'd rather keep Pierce and steer clear of a Boozer/STAT/KG/Dray/Evans/Plumlee logjam. I'd also demand Shumpert.

[kerry kittles]

Here is what can be done:
- Dwill, Mirza, Plumlee for Asik, Lin, and Jones
- Pierce for Boozer/Snell or a future 1st.
-Dance with the devil and trade Johnson for Amare straight up.

Not saying I would necessarily do this all, but it is probably the quick way to blow it up while getting some young players in return. All salary besides Lopez would be off the books after 2014-2015.

1) I wouldn't deal Deron to HOU without getting Parsons in return. They can keep Jones, I'll even chip in AK47 if they want a replacement point forward for their system.

2) I could see this. But...

3) ...if we're gaining a PF and losing a swingman, I'd rather keep Pierce and steer clear of a Boozer/STAT/KG/Dray/Evans/Plumlee logjam. I'd also demand Shumpert.

1. I can't see HOU giving up Parsons no matter what. Maybe the Rockets could throw in Canaan since he's been down in the D League most season, he might end up better than Livingston. At least he can shoot. Wouldn't mind shipping out AK for a late 1st.

2. Edited my original post and said KG for Perkins and Lamb,

Three young guys in Snell, Lamb and Jones. Lin isn't old either. Salary still come off after 2014-2015.

Lin/ Canaan or Livingston
Lamb/Anderson/Terry
Bogdanovic/Snell
Boozer/Jones/Stat
Asik/Perkins

Look to move Dray and Evans for a wing to clear the log jam.

[Dr Positivity]

Here is what can be done:
- Dwill, Mirza, Plumlee for Asik, Lin, and Jones
- Pierce for Boozer and Snell/future 1st.
-KG for Perkins and Lamb
-Dance with the devil and trade Johnson for Amare straight up.

Not saying I would necessarily do this all, but it is probably the quickest way to blow it up while getting some young players in return. All salary besides Lopez would be off the books after 2014-2015.

I think if you guys did Deron with HOU the move would be to flip Asik, bc it's not going to work with him and Lopez after he comes back

Say BOS is willing to do Asik for Humphries + 2014 BKN 1st, which is effectively a late teens 2014 ATL 1st after they swap. Then say HOU says yes to Lin, Asik, 2014 HOU 1st and a few 2nds for Deron. Put it together and BKN would be getting something like

Lin
Humphries
2014 BKN 1st, inevitably swapped with ATL 2014 1st
2014 HOU 1st
2014 NY 2nd
2015 NY 2nd

BKN gets a young PG and marketable player and puts up a big straw into the milkshake of the Knicks fanbase and starts slurping, get within a KG retirement of being sub lux tax next year and get into the draft enough to put some young players together when added to Plumlee, Bogdanovic, etc. The team may also still be playoff caliber next year if Lin plays well and Lopez is healthy so it's not a guarantee they'll giving up top 5 picks for eternity

[Prokorov]

I think if you guys did Deron with HOU the move would be to flip Asik, bc it's not going to work with him and Lopez after he comes back

Say BOS is willing to do Asik for Humphries + 2014 BKN 1st, which is effectively a late teens 2014 ATL 1st after they swap. Then say HOU says yes to Lin, Asik, 2014 HOU 1st and a few 2nds for Deron. Put it together and BKN would be getting something like

ummm how about no way. who cares if asik and lopez cant play together. lopez id likely done or diminished anyway and asik has got to be looked at as the better player going forward. no way we deal asik for a garbage package of hump and a first we would need to swap with atlanta.

keep asik, trade lopez to anyone offering mostly expirings.

[JMaine518]

Players blaming coaches and coaches blaming players just a mess

[Keith Van Horn]

After watching most of last night's debacle against the Pacers....some thoughts:

- Deron cannot be taking under 10 shots a game. He Needs to be putting up at least 15 attempts a game. This team only goes as far as he wills it to. He is our main guy, our star. Stop being selfless and start taking it to the basket more. He should be averaging over 20 ppg. The assists will come naturally. He needs to be way more aggressive.

- KG needs to play PF from now on. He cannot play under/above the rim anymore. Keep him away with those jumpers he loves.

- Likewise, Blatche should only play center. When he plays smart ball as a center, he's fantastic.

- JJ is just not being utilized enough in the proper way. We need more sets that get him shots... And again, he should be like Deron way more every night. He should have 10+ each night.

Asik would probably help now coming to the realization that Garnett needs to be a PF. Mirza has been coming along nicely but if we can flip him I would like to see if that's possible. Something centered around Mirza/Plumlee for Asik might benefit both teams now. And when Lopez comes back over the summer, maybe we try to deal him for expirings and picks.



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[Rollydog]

not really a fork so much as a one way road to hell

[Paradise]

Players blaming coaches and coaches blaming players just a mess

Lol at KG. "We don't have an idenity" but when we went 4-1 two weeks ago, "everything is simplifed. We like it"

I guess that's the excuse to use when you give up and stop competing. His "leadership" we morgaged picks for is a joke.

Get him out.


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