The Return of Tyreke Evans (Kings v Pelicans)

[SacKingsPejaFan]

Positive I'm taking away is Thornton is increasing his trade value by finally scoring again.

[nolimit0820]

I agree the starting line up looks better with Derrick Williams. He's fell back into a role similar to Minnesota! I am sure the coaching staff wants to start him! HOWEVER, it is a combined effort (front office to the coaching staff) to increase the value of JT so that he can be traded! I root for him every game! He needs to go!

[enderwilson]

I agree the starting line up looks better with Derrick Williams. He's fell back into a role similar to Minnesota! I am sure the coaching staff wants to start him! HOWEVER, it is a combined effort (front office to the coaching staff) to increase the value of JT so that he can be traded! I root for him every game! He needs to go!

I'm all for getting JT off the roster, but the FO and Staff can't increase JT's value. That's on Jason. Now that Acy is on the team, it's time to send JT a message and put him in the 3rd position behind DWill and Acy. Acy had been demonstrating to me that he can come off the bench and play with enthusiasm, energy and awareness of how he can contribute to the game. JT has always come with energy and athleticism, but has always lacked in the awareness category.

[bibby1023]

Why was Jimmer the 2nd most effective player behind Cousins last night?

[PaKwAn]

Reke would not work well with cousins being the focal point of the offense... even a good passer like vasquez did not have much of an impact and he is a much better shooter than reke... reke has not played that well this year as well,he has played good in a couple of games but it's one of those days where he plays well and disappears the next game.. (plus it's his first game back in sac, of course he woud try to show up)

I was ok with the reke trade..but was a little iffy with the gay trade since im not sure if we are building for the future or are trying to compete right away(although we lack the pieces and the basketball iq to even compete)

So you are okay taking on more salary and seeing less wins because DeMarcus Cousins is the focal point of the offense?

Nope,that's why i was iffy on the gay trade..first we trade for williams a trade that seemed to be for sac's future then we trade for gay which kinda signals we are trying to compete.. Not really sure where we are heading or what they are trying to do...

And i still wouldn't pay reke that much knowing he won't be as effective as we would like him to be...

[ICMTM]

Reke would not work well with cousins being the focal point of the offense... even a good passer like vasquez did not have much of an impact and he is a much better shooter than reke... reke has not played that well this year as well,he has played good in a couple of games but it's one of those days where he plays well and disappears the next game.. (plus it's his first game back in sac, of course he woud try to show up)

I was ok with the reke trade..but was a little iffy with the gay trade since im not sure if we are building for the future or are trying to compete right away(although we lack the pieces and the basketball iq to even compete)

So you are okay taking on more salary and seeing less wins because DeMarcus Cousins is the focal point of the offense?

Nope,that's why i was iffy on the gay trade..first we trade for williams a trade that seemed to be for sac's future then we trade for gay which kinda signals we are trying to compete.. Not really sure where we are heading or what they are trying to do...

And i still wouldn't pay reke that much knowing he won't be as effective as we would like him to be...

He has had ankle issues all year but over the last few games he has averaged almost a triple double.

Williams was traded for Mbah a Moute...

Basically the Evans trade has turned into Rudy Gay, and Evans is better than Rudy Gay. Even though Gay was with Memphis all of their post season success had been without him.

Gay is owed $37m over this and next year. Evans $44m over 4 years.

If you want to be happy about what went down fine. It doesn't signal forward progress however.

[SacKingZZZ]

PDA is basically pulling the Petrie route again, which is to keep rounding up talent and talent and talent...without a plan or worry of fit. Where does Rudy Gay fit in with Cousins? He's another mouth to feed and not practically good at playing without the ball in his hands, that was known for years now. IT is nothing more than a 6th man, not to take anything away from him, but to ask him to start and be the passing PG is not his game. We gave up our starting PG with no backup in sight. Now we're expecting Gay to be the #3 option when he's paid like the #1.

Gonna take some time to make sense of the mess but so far there are certainly some questionable moves. Signing Landry was one that still has to be sorted out by moving some players at his position that are similarly lacking in the area of need. The main problem was as I brought up before, you moved a lot of the "fit" pieces in these deals to get the talent. Now, they have to find a way to build a team around the players they designate as "talent". This design is all very different than the mantra they used to start the offseason, you know, "defense", and it's proving that if you do the opposite of your intentions you will fail in your goals. They've actually instead built a Nelly style Warriors team. Wonder if that's the Chris Mullin effect?

Still, they've built a potentially decent Warriors style team. Maybe even one that can defend in the right system with some help at certain positions. My advice is to fill PG/SG with defensive role players than can shoot and go with Gay/Williams/Cuz up front. I'm sure right now they are showcasing Jason Thompson so that probably won't happen any time soon.

Who's paid the most is all relative to your circumstances. Gay making that much won't hurt until this summer if and when they have to re-sign IT. I don't think that was ever the intention so we'll see what happens. It's signing Carl Landry that hurts the most because at least Gay solves some of the problems this team has had for years and years. Landry is just an offensive luxury for this team as currently constructed. Could be a great 6th man if they start making the right moves around him though. Gay IS NOT the problem, but like any player who is supposed to get you points and produce, he needs opportunity and the right team around him to help make it work. Same with Cousins, it's amazing what a "transformation" he's had once a coach finally started using him as a franchise type. All we ever heard out of Smart was that Cousins wasn't that type of player.

Was a frustrating game so I'm sure the venom being spewed in this thread is a bit more toxic for a reason but I've been encouraged by the Gay/Cousins duo. Gay hasn't yet become this black hole he was supposed to be and has shown a willingness to concede shots to Cousins. This team has to start playing Gay/Williams/Cousins together. Evans/Thornton/Cousins never got a real chance, you need to see if these three can fit together first. I think Acy would be a great PF next to Cousins if they want to go a different route too. Other than that moves are a coming for this Kings team.

[SacKingZZZ]

Malone looks like he's ready to quit

http://www.news10.net/video/default.asp ... 7792418001

I like it.

Malone isn't there to make friends (Smart), his job is to coach a NBA team. Unfortunately, some of the players on this roster are not getting it.

I don't know, this could have a different effect than his intentions. There is one majorly huge elephant in the room with this team that might be making it harder for this coach to get his players to buy in: THEY'RE TRYING TO FIRE SALE THE WHOLE TEAM!!!

They've already moved half the dang team, now rumors are floating more is to come, and two of the starters right now have already been rumored as bait multiple times this year. Players who feel like they are being dangled buying in totally? What planet are they living on?! This is a GM/Coach issue right now. If you're setting up some moves be honest and then just play some fun basketball. If Pete hasn't let his coach in on what's happening then he needs to so he doesn't take it so hard.

I do like his comments though, sends a good message and maybe he'll get through.

[SacKingZZZ]

I agree the starting line up looks better with Derrick Williams. He's fell back into a role similar to Minnesota! I am sure the coaching staff wants to start him! HOWEVER, it is a combined effort (front office to the coaching staff) to increase the value of JT so that he can be traded! I root for him every game! He needs to go!

I'm all for getting JT off the roster, but the FO and Staff can't increase JT's value. That's on Jason. Now that Acy is on the team, it's time to send JT a message and put him in the 3rd position behind DWill and Acy. Acy had been demonstrating to me that he can come off the bench and play with enthusiasm, energy and awareness of how he can contribute to the game. JT has always come with energy and athleticism, but has always lacked in the awareness category.

JT is tough as a singular asset. He was destined to be this teams Kenny Thomas part 2 from the day he signed that deal and especially when Petrie started to sign guys who do the same thing and would chip into his minutes. This new GM has done pretty much the same thing but Landry being out has helped. Take advantage of that while the opportunity is still there. JT will have to be salary filler if IT or Ben are moved. 3 years ago the PF spot wasn't nearly as stuffed with players along the same lines or ability as JT, now it is. Just like reaching on Beno in a way.

[PaKwAn]

So you are okay taking on more salary and seeing less wins because DeMarcus Cousins is the focal point of the offense?

Nope,that's why i was iffy on the gay trade..first we trade for williams a trade that seemed to be for sac's future then we trade for gay which kinda signals we are trying to compete.. Not really sure where we are heading or what they are trying to do...

And i still wouldn't pay reke that much knowing he won't be as effective as we would like him to be...

He has had ankle issues all year but over the last few games he has averaged almost a triple double.

Williams was traded for Mbah a Moute...

Basically the Evans trade has turned into Rudy Gay, and Evans is better than Rudy Gay. Even though Gay was with Memphis all of their post season success had been without him.

Gay is owed $37m over this and next year. Evans $44m over 4 years.

If you want to be happy about what went down fine. It doesn't signal forward progress however.

I never said i was happy with what went down nor did i agree with most of the transactions....i wasn't a fan of offering reke that much and i was surprised that we traded for gay...

An interesting stat i found: dwight howard 0.333 3pt%. Reke 0.080 3pt%

[ICMTM]

Nope,that's why i was iffy on the gay trade..first we trade for williams a trade that seemed to be for sac's future then we trade for gay which kinda signals we are trying to compete.. Not really sure where we are heading or what they are trying to do...

And i still wouldn't pay reke that much knowing he won't be as effective as we would like him to be...

He has had ankle issues all year but over the last few games he has averaged almost a triple double.

Williams was traded for Mbah a Moute...

Basically the Evans trade has turned into Rudy Gay, and Evans is better than Rudy Gay. Even though Gay was with Memphis all of their post season success had been without him.

Gay is owed $37m over this and next year. Evans $44m over 4 years.

If you want to be happy about what went down fine. It doesn't signal forward progress however.

I never said i was happy with what went down nor did i agree with most of the transactions....i wasn't a fan of offering reke that much and i was surprised that we traded for gay...

An interesting stat i found: dwight howard 0.333 3pt%. Reke 0.080 3pt%

And?

Reke's game is simple. He can get in the lane at will. From there if he has shooters and finishers your team is dope. We did not have much of either when he was here.

He made people around him better. Rudy Gay does not do that.

[PaKwAn]

Reke can actually be defended easily if you got players who read player reports... Dare him to shoot and give him space for his driving game... Alot of teams do that to him,surprisingly his former teammates forgot how reke plays...

If we had reke,it would still be the same problem not having the right players/shooters... Plus playing through cuz will only hurt reke since he needs the ball to be effective... Vasquez who is a much better passer than reke did not even work that well with cuz cause he was more of a pick and roll/pop type player while the kings gameplan is dump the ball to cuz down low and let cuz react or do more of the action...

[ICMTM]

Reke can actually be defended easily if you got players who read player reports... Dare him to shoot and give him space for his driving game... Alot of teams do that to him,surprisingly his former teammates forgot how reke plays...

If we had reke,it would still be the same problem not having the right players/shooters... Plus playing through cuz will only hurt reke since he needs the ball to be effective... Vasquez who is a much better passer than reke did not even work that well with cuz cause he was more of a pick and roll/pop type player while the kings gameplan is dump the ball to cuz down low and let cuz react or do more of the action...

And that change in game plan is making us less effective

[PaKwAn]

I think we are fine on offense.. plus with new faces I think some are still adjusting..its on the defensive end which is just down right ugly and dumb most of the times....

If you want the reke type gameplan where he dominates the ball and does most of the action, well we also sucked when that happened... when teams knew how to defend reke our offense stagnated and he usually passes on the last second for a bail out shot...

[ICMTM]

I think we are fine on offense.. plus with new faces I think some are still adjusting..its on the defensive end which is just down right ugly and dumb most of the times....

If you want the reke type gameplan where he dominates the ball and does most of the action, well we also sucked when that happened... when teams knew how to defend reke our offense stagnated and he usually passes on the last second for a bail out shot...

Well that was a function of coaching because IT was the same player. He was not even the lead guard and had twelve assists. He didn't dominate or control the ball at all...again efficient

When you put players in a position to do what they do they are successful. Read up in the previous posts...They tried to stay in front of him...they just couldn't. He discarded Thomas like he was wrapping paper. He went to the high elbow and got into the lane at will. NOLA has finishers we did not when Evans was here. Evans is the type of player that could get others like McLemore and Williams off.

But hurray for bringing in a new everything and it not working. Merry Christmas.

[Darknemo2000]

Malone looks like he's ready to quit

http://www.news10.net/video/default.asp ... 7792418001

I like it.

Malone isn't there to make friends (Smart), his job is to coach a NBA team. Unfortunately, some of the players on this roster are not getting it.

I really loved that interview. So much different from what I used to see from Casey. If it was Casey he would be licking Gay's balls and never mention that he turned the ball over 7 times. He only throws our rookies (well now sophomores) under the bus.

With such coach you may have a chance to drill into Gay's thick skull that chucking and turning the ball over does not help the team. He needs to be told that into the face because he isnt smart enough to comprehend anything else. And your coach is brutally honest. That's really nice to see.

[ICMTM]

Gay? Geez...he's an overpaid role player!