Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

Pogue Mahone · Post #1661 » by **Pogue Mahone** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:47 am

tfmiii wrote:ps how cool would it be to unload Bass, Lee and Green in one trade?

Words cannot express how pleased I would be to break up The Triumverate.

pinoyceltic · Post #1662 » by **pinoyceltic** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:20 am

Trade everyone, except RR, AB and Sully. Get Varejao as backup center for Asik. Trade Green for Hayward! Jut sayin.

shawn unkempt · Post #1663 » by **shawn unkempt** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:00 am

Are you guys being sarcastic? There is basically no difference between Green and Hayward. You guys just want to make trades for the sake of making trades.

jfs1000d · Post #1664 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:06 am

shawn unkempt wrote:Are you guys being sarcastic? There is basically no difference between Green and Hayward. You guys just want to make trades for the sake of making trades.

I agree here.

Is RR, Bradley, Green, Sully and Asik a title team? No, it is 45 wins if everyone is healthy.

So, RR is a keeper, Bradley is a keeper,
sully too good and Asik a rim protector.

What is the position to get a star player at ?

Yup, SF. We would need a Paul George, lebron, melo, durant type player at that position. The other players are there and are good pieces.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1665 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:39 am

shawn unkempt wrote:Are you guys being sarcastic? There is basically no difference between Green and Hayward. You guys just want to make trades for the sake of making trades.

I think we are early in the process, but they likely have a good idea of the team in mind they would like to have at the end of the day. And it will probably be a team that optimizes Brad's coaching and use of analytics in gameplanning. Hayward was obviously very successful playing for Stevens in college, having nearly won a national championship. So I don't think it's that outlandish a thought depending on what the cost would be to obtain/re-sign Hayward, and whether it was part of a larger deal that allowed us to move up in the draft or dump Wallace or what have you.

Post #1666 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:32 am

I like Hayward over Green but not for 4-5mil more per year which is what it will cost.

People who have a problem with Green i think just keep thinking he can somehow blossom into a #1 option. people who don't have a problem with him realize that he is a #3 or #4 guy on a good team. on our team we have rondo #2, sully #3, and green #4. our problem is that we don't have a #1.

we can try to draft that guy but it will take years for him to develop, and that's if we're lucky. we can try to clear cap space but how many big FAs are excited to come up to boston? plus clearing cap space takes time so that again puts us in purgatory for a while. the fastest and easiest path is a trade for a disgruntled superstar, especially when we've collected the army of picks and young players that we have.

any trade NOT for a #1 guy should be viewed purely in terms of asset value. Asik is worth more than Jcraw, regardless of who is a better player or what we need or whatever. so i'm happy to grab asik and give up bass (who also doesn't have much value) and/or lee (who may have neg value owing to the contract length) and/or crawdad. for that privilege its fair to pay a late 1st round pick. asik also probably has more value than green, but not by much so i wouldn't give up a pick for that.

CollegeToPros · Post #1667 » by **CollegeToPros** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:28 pm

shawn unkempt wrote:Are you guys being sarcastic? There is basically no difference between Green and Hayward. You guys just want to make trades for the sake of making trades.

I think Hayward has a better natural shooting touch but that's just quick observations. Green relies a ton on athleticism.

I've been torn on this one for a while. Who you have depends on the surrounding cast is what I would say.

Rondo would be better with Hayword. Curry would be better with green. Passing vs scoring PGs. Pure passer like Rondo would rather have a pure shooter like Hayward.

Valid · Post #1668 » by **Valid** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:29 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

LOL. No. He can't. Not at this stage of his career, not to mention the fact that Wallace obviously doesn't fit into this team's long-term plans.

People here want to rip Green just for the sake of it.

CollegeToPros · Post #1669 » by **CollegeToPros** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:30 pm

So is

Rondo
AB
Hayward
Sully
Asik

A championship 5? Idk doesn't seen like enough.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

How do we know this is even true? Most of these guys have some garbage sources as the last few weeks have proven.

Not a single other person has suggested that Green was included in anything, just seems odd to me.

CollegeToPros · Post #1671 » by **CollegeToPros** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:29 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

How do we know this is even true? Most of these guys have some garbage sources as the last few weeks have proven.

Not a single other person has suggested that Green was included in anything, just seems odd to me.

And what would Cleveland give up for Green

Bill Lumbergh · Post #1672 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:45 pm

CollegeToPros wrote:...
And what would Cleveland give up for Green

I think I had read that they were hoping Cleveland would give up Varejao for Green, with Varejao being routed to Houston, with Asik coming to Boston (additional pieces/parts tweaked as necessary).

KGboss · Post #1673 » by **KGboss** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:12 pm

CollegeToPros wrote:So is

Rondo
AB
Hayward
Sully
Asik

A championship 5? Idk doesn't seen like enough.

No not at all.

Hayward is overrated honestly. Dont understand the fascination with him at all. He can score, but brings nothing else to the table.

15th overall · Post #1674 » by **15th overall** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:15 pm

CollegeToPros wrote:So is

Rondo
AB
Hayward
Sully
Asik

A championship 5? Idk doesn't seen like enough.

It's not championship level but this lineup is:

Rondo
Hayward
Carmelo
Sully
Asik

with Avery as 6th man of the year. Gush.

Who-rod · Post #1675 » by **Who-rod** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:08 pm

KGboss wrote:
CollegeToPros wrote:So is

Rondo
AB
Hayward
Sully
Asik

A championship 5? Idk doesn't seen like enough.

No not at all.

Hayward is overrated honestly. Dont understand the fascination with him at all. He can score, but brings nothing else to the table.

You do realize he is averaging 5 assists and 5 rebounds and over a steal a game right? (at 23 years old)

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1676 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:15 pm

Green has been given every opportunity to be the man but hasn't been. I guess I shouldn't have said that Wallace could do what Green does. However, I would gladly take Rondo/Bradley/Wallace/Sully/Asik/Bass/1st round pick vs Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik.

Again, I'm going on the assumption that we would have kept all of our picks had we left Jeff Green go to Cleveland. Those picks are more valuable as trade bait vs Jeff Green IMO.

shawn unkempt · Post #1677 » by **shawn unkempt** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:38 pm

Who-rod wrote:
KGboss wrote:
CollegeToPros wrote:So is

Rondo
AB
Hayward
Sully
Asik

A championship 5? Idk doesn't seen like enough.

No not at all.

Hayward is overrated honestly. Dont understand the fascination with him at all. He can score, but brings nothing else to the table.

You do realize he is averaging 5 assists and 5 rebounds and over a steal a game right? (at 23 years old)

And shooting under 40%.

humblebum · Post #1678 » by **humblebum** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:42 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Green has been given every opportunity to be the man but hasn't been. I guess I shouldn't have said that Wallace could do what Green does. However, I would gladly take Rondo/Bradley/Wallace/Sully/Asik/Bass/1st round pick vs Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik.

Again, I'm going on the assumption that we would have kept all of our picks had we left Jeff Green go to Cleveland. Those picks are more valuable as trade bait vs Jeff Green IMO.

I think you're wrong. When you start looking at the logistics of trotting out Rondo-Wallace-Asik it gets downright scary thinking about how you're going to run offensive sets.

If we're moving Green, I hope it's in a separate deal for Varejao, who could then be simply cut in the off-season.

Something like Lee/Bass/Clips Pick/Olynyk for Asik and then Green/Faverani for Varejao.

That would put the Celtics in a position to be a player in FA this offseason methinks... and under that scenario you might be able to lure Carmelo to play with Rondo-AB-Sully-Asik along with a couple first round picks and whatever you can pick up off the vet FA scrap heap.

jfs1000d · Post #1679 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:50 pm

Enugh with the Gordon Hayward stuff. Nice player, don't get me wrong, but just because he played for Brad Stevens in college means nothing. He's played in Utah for more years and 3X as many games than he did at Butler, as he left as a sophomore.

chrisab123 · Post #1680 » by **chrisab123** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:02 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

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