2013 Lotto Re-Do

Hans Embiid · Post #21 » by **Hans Embiid** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:48 pm

1 Burke
2 Oladipo
3 MCW
4 Giannis
5 Noel
6 McLemore
7 Adams
8 KCP
9 Bennett
10 Zeller
11 Len
12 McCollum
13 Snell
14 Olynyk

MikeM · Post #22 » by **MikeM** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:08 pm

I'd take Giannis first.

SBM · Post #23 » by **SBM** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:21 pm

sad draft does not deserve much talk

LloydFree · Post #24 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:41 am

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Nerlens Noel
2. Orlando Magic: Victor Olodipo
3. Washington Wizards: Giannis Antetokoumpo
4. Charlotte Bobcats: MCW
5. Phoenix Suns: Ben McLemore
6. Philadelphia 76ers: Trey Burke
7. Sacramento Kings: KCP
8. Detroit Pistons: Tim Hardaway jr
9. Utah Jazz: Cj Mccolum
10. Portland Trailblazers: Steve Adams
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Cody Zeller
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Anthony Bennett
13. Minnesota Timberwolves: Otto Porter
14. Milwaukee Bucks: Schroeder

Winglish · Post #25 » by **Winglish** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:53 am

@the OP:

Curious as to why the exclusion of Trey Burke? All he did last game for the Jazz was get 30 and 8.

machu46 · Post #26 » by **machu46** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:36 am

Winglish wrote:@the OP:

Curious as to why the exclusion of Trey Burke? All he did last game for the Jazz was get 30 and 8.

Yeah, I'd still probably put MCW, Oladipo, and Giannis ahead of Burke, and possibly a couple others, but he'd definitely be a lottery pick in a redraft. I don't even think he's going to end up being that good of an NBA player, but he's been alright so far.

phx#7 · Post #27 » by **phx#7** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:51 am

Dr Positivity wrote:5. Phoenix Suns - C Alex Len: Probably no reason for them to change

Yeah, if this is an exercise on who the teams would select the Suns still take Len. He was #1 on their board and they knew he was injured.

clownparade · Post #28 » by **clownparade** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:29 am

Andre3822 wrote:Based on what I've seen and potential, I wouldn't be surprised if Giannis ends up as a top 2 player from this class.

if we do a redraft discussion a year from now i could see it being MCW 1st and giannis 2nd

Mr Sixer · Post #29 » by **Mr Sixer** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:30 am

1. MCW
2. Noel
3. Giannis
4. Oladipo
5. Len
6. Adams
7. Burke
8. McLemore
9. Olnyk
10. KCP
11. Schroeder
12. Wolters
13. Bennett
14. Porter

Dr Positivity · Post #30 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:19 am

I think CLE takes Bennett or Giannis 1st now. I don't know if as many teams would bite on Giannis that high as others do, but he both fits CLE roster really well and they like to play the big balls game in terms of grabbing surprising players, so why not

Jazzfan12 · Post #31 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:09 pm

Highly doubt Alex Len goes in the lottery of a redraft with how much pain he's supposedly having in both of his feet. I think his body may already be shot.

SlowPaced · Post #32 » by **SlowPaced** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:18 pm

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Victor Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: Michael Carter-Williams
3. Washington Wizards: Giannis Antetokounmpo
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Ben McLemore
5. Phoenix Suns: Steven Adams
6. Philadelphia 76ers: Trey Burke
7. Sacramento Kings: Nerlens Noel
8. Detroit Pistons: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
9. Utah Jazz: C.J. McCollum
10. Portland Trail Blazers: Cody Zeller
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Otto Porter
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Dennis Schröder
14. Milwaukee Bucks: Nate Wolters

Talent Chaser · Post #33 » by **Talent Chaser** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:06 pm

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Orlando Magic: Michael Carter-Williams
3. Washington Wizards: Victor Oladipo
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Nerlens Noel
5. Phoenix Suns: Steven Adams
6. Philadelphia 76ers: Ben McLemore
7. Sacramento Kings: Trey Burke
8. Detroit Pistons: Cody Zeller
9. Utah Jazz: Otto Porter
10. Portland Trail Blazers: Anthony Bennett
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Tim Hardaway Jr.
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
14. Milwaukee Bucks: Dennis Schröder

JazzMatt13 · Post #34 » by **JazzMatt13** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:21 pm

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Victor Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: Nerlens Noel
3. Washington Wizards: Cody Zeller
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Ben McLemore
5. Phoenix Suns: Otto Porter
6. Philadelphia 76ers: CJ McCollum (him and Holiday would have been pretty sweet)
7. Sacramento Kings: Kentavious Cladwell-Pope
8. Detroit Pistons: Trey Burke (Michigan wanted this)
9. Minnesota T-Wolves: Anthony Bennett
10. Portland Trailblazers: Alex Len
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Steven Adams
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Giannis Adetokunbo
14. Utah Jazz: Michael Carter-Williams (plus they keep their 21st pick, getting Plumlee/Dieng)
15. Milwaukee Bucks: Dennis Schroeder

Basically Cav's shifted focus, now everyone could pick someone 1-2 places higher. Since nobody took a point guard till #9, you had 3 great PG's all the way up to #11, which was just out of Jazz's reach, oh so close. The top 10 draft pickers all had PG's, so I thought Jazz were a sure thing on Burke, Carter-Williams or McCollum, I mean 4 teams and 3 PG's, but all I wanted was anyone not named Larkin/Schroder.

Had Cav's not ruin everything, Philly would have kept Holiday and would have got someone like Olynyk or Giannis, not to mention, that the top 10 didn't need PG's, so Jazz could have easily kept both their picks, and got a shot at Carter-Williams or Trey Burke! At #14 Jazz could have got Carter-Williams had things been different. We ended up paying Cash to get back a late 20's pick for a new Big, luckily we got Gobert at #27 without burning our wallets to bad. His price/performance is greater than you would expect, a 21 year old Euro player, with a 7'8" wing span and a 9'7" standing reach!

After Thoughts:
To be quite honest, no way I give up a #14 and #21, for a #11 pick, even if it was Carter-Williams. Jazz basically got screwed in finding a new PG to run the team, and the only reason we went after Trey Burke was becaues he was the most decorated PG in the draft, and was only one worth our 2 picks, no way we would do this for anyone else, no one else was player of the year and won multiple awards, and not many others were in NCAA Championship Game. I know it is only 2 away from #11 aka MCW, who everyone is in love with and he did go to Final Four and is was an amazing PG in college, and even before the draft basically everyone in Utah thought that MCW was our last hope to not get Larkin/Schroder.....BUT even if we wanted to trade our 2 picks, people don't realize this:

Had things happened like they did, Philly would have never given up Carter-Williams, not even for Jazz's #14 and #21, because they were not going to send off Holiday for Noel, and then leave Larkin/Schroder in charge! T-Wolves didn't want a PG they have Rubio and Barea, but the top 3 picks left when their turn came was all PG's, so they basically downgraded to upgrade, rather than sit on Burke.

As a Jazz fan, I am 100% behind Burke, and wanted him so bad all last year and got him, truely blessed to get the guy you watched all year in college! But I was sure Carter-Williams was best we would do and was sure no one was going to give up Trey Burke! I would have enjoyed Carter-Williams because it wouldn't be Larkin/Schroder, but even if I would have got him, I would still would have wanted Trey Burke.

Mr Sixer · Post #35 » by **Mr Sixer** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:11 pm

JazzMatt13 wrote:1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Victor Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: Nerlens Noel
3. Washington Wizards: Cody Zeller
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Ben McLemore
5. Phoenix Suns: Otto Porter
6. Philadelphia 76ers: CJ McCollum (him and Holiday would have been pretty sweet)
7. Sacramento Kings: Kentavious Cladwell-Pope
8. Detroit Pistons: Trey Burke (Michigan wanted this)
9. Minnesota T-Wolves: Anthony Bennett
10. Portland Trailblazers: Alex Len
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Steven Adams
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Giannis Adetokunbo
14. Utah Jazz: Michael Carter-Williams (plus they keep their 21st pick, getting Plumlee/Dieng)
15. Milwaukee Bucks: Dennis Schroeder

Basically Cav's shifted focus, now everyone could pick someone 1-2 places higher. Since nobody took a point guard till #9, you had 3 great PG's all the way up to #11, which was just out of Jazz's reach, oh so close. The top 10 draft pickers all had PG's, so I thought Jazz were a sure thing on Burke, Carter-Williams or McCollum, I mean 4 teams and 3 PG's, but all I wanted was anyone not named Larkin/Schroder.

Had Cav's not ruin everything, Philly would have kept Holiday and would have got someone like Olynyk or Giannis, not to mention, that the top 10 didn't need PG's, so Jazz could have easily kept both their picks, and got a shot at Carter-Williams or Trey Burke! At #14 Jazz could have got Carter-Williams had things been different. We ended up paying Cash to get back a late 20's pick for a new Big, luckily we got Gobert at #27 without burning our wallets to bad. His price/performance is greater than you would expect, a 21 year old Euro player, with a 7'8" wing span and a 9'7" standing reach!

After Thoughts:
To be quite honest, no way I give up a #14 and #21, for a #11 pick, even if it was Carter-Williams. Jazz basically got screwed in finding a new PG to run the team, and the only reason we went after Trey Burke was becaues he was the most decorated PG in the draft, and was only one worth our 2 picks, no way we would do this for anyone else, no one else was player of the year and won multiple awards, and not many others were in NCAA Championship Game. I know it is only 2 away from #11 aka MCW, who everyone is in love with and he did go to Final Four and is was an amazing PG in college, and even before the draft basically everyone in Utah thought that MCW was our last hope to not get Larkin/Schroder.....BUT even if we wanted to trade our 2 picks, people don't realize this:

Had things happened like they did, Philly would have never given up Carter-Williams, not even for Jazz's #14 and #21, because they were not going to send off Holiday for Noel, and then leave Larkin/Schroder in charge! T-Wolves didn't want a PG they have Rubio and Barea, but the top 3 picks left when their turn came was all PG's, so they basically downgraded to upgrade, rather than sit on Burke.

As a Jazz fan, I am 100% behind Burke, and wanted him so bad all last year and got him, truely blessed to get the guy you watched all year in college! But I was sure Carter-Williams was best we would do and was sure no one was going to give up Trey Burke! I would have enjoyed Carter-Williams because it wouldn't be Larkin/Schroder, but even if I would have got him, I would still would have wanted Trey Burke.

Do you just find threads to comment on so you can push this agenda that MCW is overrated and Burke is better, because I'm sorry to say but it's really not even close. MCW>>>>Burke. MCW blows Burke out of the water in nearly every statistical category even after adjusted for pace, he is a better defender, better rebounder, better passer and overall a better prospect. But you know, let me know when Burke leads all rookies in ppg, apg, rpg and spg

BossHoggin · Post #36 » by **BossHoggin** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:07 am

Cavs wouldn't have taken a PG/SG.

Maefteda · Post #37 » by **Maefteda** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:41 am

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Victor Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: Michael Carter-Williams
3. Washington Wizards: Giannis Antetokoumpo
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Nerlens Noel
5. Phoenix Suns: Cody Zeller
6. New Orleans Pelicans (Traded to 76ers for Holiday/14 1st): Trey Burke
7. Sacramento Kings: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
8. Detroit Pistons: Otto Porter
9. Minnesota T-Wolves: CJ McCollum
10. Portland Trailblazers: Steven Adams
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Alex Len
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Tim Hardaway Jr.
14. Utah Jazz: Dennis Schroeder
15. Milwaukee Bucks: Nate Wolters

breakchains · Post #38 » by **breakchains** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:00 pm

JazzMatt13 wrote:1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Victor Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: Nerlens Noel
3. Washington Wizards: Cody Zeller
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Ben McLemore
5. Phoenix Suns: Otto Porter
6. Philadelphia 76ers: CJ McCollum (him and Holiday would have been pretty sweet)
7. Sacramento Kings: Kentavious Cladwell-Pope
8. Detroit Pistons: Trey Burke (Michigan wanted this)
9. Minnesota T-Wolves: Anthony Bennett
10. Portland Trailblazers: Alex Len
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Steven Adams
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kelly Olynyk
13. Dallas Mavericks: Giannis Adetokunbo
14. Utah Jazz: Michael Carter-Williams (plus they keep their 21st pick, getting Plumlee/Dieng)
15. Milwaukee Bucks: Dennis Schroeder

So the two best players go 13 and 14. Sure. Worthwhile post.

Ayt · Post #39 » by **Ayt** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:07 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: MCW
3. Washington Wizards: Steven Adams
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Kentavious pope
5. Phoenix Suns: Nerlens Noel
6. Philadelphia 76ers: Trey Burke
7. Sacramento Kings: Olynk
8. Detroit Pistons: Ben Mclemore
9. Utah Jazz: Cj Mccolum
10. Portland Trailblazers: Len
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Tim Hardaway Jr
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Mason Plumlee
13. Minnesota Timberwolves: Otto Porter
14. Milwaukee Bucks: Schroeder

You left out the best prospect.

Fat · Post #40 » by **Fat** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:40 pm

Ayt wrote:
Nyk_Fatboy wrote:1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Oladipo
2. Orlando Magic: MCW
3. Washington Wizards: Steven Adams
4. Charlotte Bobcats: Kentavious pope
5. Phoenix Suns: Nerlens Noel
6. Philadelphia 76ers: Trey Burke
7. Sacramento Kings: Olynk
8. Detroit Pistons: Ben Mclemore
9. Utah Jazz: Cj Mccolum
10. Portland Trailblazers: Len
11. Philadelphia 76ers: Tim Hardaway Jr
12. Oklahoma City Thunder: Mason Plumlee
13. Minnesota Timberwolves: Otto Porter
14. Milwaukee Bucks: Schroeder

You left out the best prospect.

lol completely forgot about gin Adetkunbo (i know i spelled it wrong lol) cant believe i missed him when i did this.. him being the #1 pick going to the Cavs makes sense..