Would you guys consider Kanter for Otto Porter?

Hoops Addict · Post #1 » by **Hoops Addict** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:07 am

Jazz fan here coming in peace.

Would you guys consider Kanter for Otto Porter?

nuposse04 · Post #2 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:07 am

in a heart beat. At least I would. And I love porter. We need a big for the future.

hands11 · Post #3 » by **hands11** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:38 am

Not right now I wouldn't

DANNYLANDOVER · Post #4 » by **DANNYLANDOVER** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:20 am

Hell YEAH!

GeeWiz · Post #5 » by **GeeWiz** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:32 pm

straight up id do it

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Dark Faze · Post #6 » by **Dark Faze** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:31 pm

No.

Everything "good" that he's done has been in limited minutes playing against the other teams bench players. He finally gets an opportunity to show what he can do against starters this year and he's looked abysmal.

I always stick by the third year rule. If you can't show me something in year three then I'm not going to bother. I had the same opinion about Wall--if he hadn't of made the improvements I was looking for that year I would have been looking to move him, but he showed up.

I'll stick with Porter.

hands11 · Post #7 » by **hands11** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:26 pm

Dark Faze wrote:No.

Everything "good" that he's done has been in limited minutes playing against the other teams bench players. He finally gets an opportunity to show what he can do against starters this year and he's looked abysmal.

I always stick by the third year rule. If you can't show me something in year three then I'm not going to bother. I had the same opinion about Wall--if he hadn't of made the improvements I was looking for that year I would have been looking to move him, but he showed up.

I'll stick with Porter.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... nes-kanter
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... nes-kanter

He has actually posted some good games.

Problem is his number haven't followed his increased minutes. I haven't follow him close enough to know the entire story but it looks like he is fighting a back issue and since that has happened, his Dec numbers are down. But his Nov numbers looked pretty good.

6-11 250 21 years old is intriguing.
Two more years on his rookie contract and we really need a young, tall, big... with some skills.

I can see why people would say do it. Plus he did make comments about wanting the Wizards to draft him. And it would be swopping #3's. And if Washington can keep TA they can target someone like Kevin in 2016, it does make sense.

I'll have to watch a few Utah games to see more. Anyone seen him play much ? Only game I saw was against SAC and Cousin was using him in the paint by bulling over him. Is he starting center quality on a good team ? If not, we are just swapping value for the short term and we really don't know Otto's true value yet. If it's a short term fix to get another big body up front, what are the other options ?

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #8 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:26 pm

It's a tough call. Both were 3rd overall picks. We know Wall likes Kanter and wanted the Wizards to draft him, and teaming him up with Wall could be just what he needs to jump start his career. A lot would have to do with our ability to retain Gortat and/or Ariza.

I would strongly consider it, although at this moment I'd lean towards passing on that because I am very high on Otto. Would hate to cut bate when he hasn't even gotten out of the gates yet. Both still have a lot of potential to be very good players at this point, but Porter is still very much an unknown.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #9 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:15 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:Jazz fan here coming in peace.

Would you guys consider Kanter for Otto Porter?

Is Kanter a shot blocker? Is he any type of enforcer in the paint? Stats suggests he isn't.

Seems to only have some offense and the ability to rebound...

Early in the year, but he's not even that efficient. Seems like it would be a one-sided, something-for-nothing deal that Jazz fans would benefit from and be happy about. I've been on the side of not having a roster loaded with genuine young talent for a long time; I want to want to reap the full rewards of having three bonafide top five picks on the team I root for.

I'm for keeping the Wizards third overall pick and the Jazz keeping theirs. Would rather pull a big in the second round of next year's draft.

But if I'm to entertain a trade involving Kanter...

How about Ariza for Kanter?

closg00 · Post #10 » by **closg00** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:44 pm

FAH1223 · Post #11 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:55 pm

I really wanted Kanter in 2011... Wish we traded up to get him. And seeing how Ernie botched the two other picks, it hurts even more.

Post #12 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:04 pm

Might as well try to fleece them:

Porter, Seraphin, and Vesely for Kanter, Gobert, and Rush (expiring). If Ariza leaves, Rush could be re-signed with Bird rights.

Illuminaire · Post #13 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:16 pm

Enes needed to become an excellent positional and team defender to make up for his deficiencies as a rim protector. He hasn't. He also isn't a terribly efficient offensive player. On the whole... he's still backup quality, and the work he needs to do to become a solid starter is not insignificant.

I consider Porter a more valuable commodity - it's a battle of potential versus potential, but Porter seems a more likely bet to reach his given age and pre-NBA production.

No-Man · Post #14 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:59 pm

It's a really good trade for both sides, even better if Utah targets Embiid.

Burke-Hayward-Porter-Favors-Embiid
Wall-Beal-Ariza or Webster-Nenê-Kanter

Kanter could work very well in DC, and you will have money for Ariza if you let Gortat leave, or you even could trade him for some assets.

Post #15 » by **nate33** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:29 pm

I would definitely trade Porter for the Kanter of last season. I would really like to understand better why Kanter is sucking so bad this year. If it's just that he is playing hurt (or some other temporary reason) and we could expect Kanter to return to his old form, then I'd make the trade. If there is something else fundamentally wrong (like teams have scouted Kanter and figured him out) then I wouldn't.

Certainly, the Kanter of this season is not a very good basketball player.

mhd · Post #16 » by **mhd** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:32 pm

nate33 wrote:I would definitely trade Porter for the Kanter of last season. I would really like to understand better why Kanter is sucking so bad this year. If it's just that he is playing hurt (or some other temporary reason) and we could expect Kanter to return to his old form, then I'd make the trade. If there is something else fundamentally wrong (like teams have scouted Kanter and figured him out) then I wouldn't.

Certainly, the Kanter of this season is not a very good basketball player.

Well, on the Utah board, they seem to suggest that Favors & Kanter don't play well together. Last year, Kanter probably played the majority of his minutes with Milsapp and/or Jefferson (both good mid range shooters).

Kanter would fit in well here b/c Nene & Gortat are good mid range shooters.

No-Man · Post #17 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:03 pm

Kanter needs good coaching, not saying Wittman is awesome, but Corbin is the worst coach in the league.
Kanter needs a role, he is one of the best rebounders in the game, he can shoot the ball and he can score inside, you need to get him to understand how you are going to use him and play him, and whathe needs to improve to get more touches or minutes.
Right now he is really turnover prone, plus he lacks vision/IQ, he can score, and even if he is efficient he will hurt the team, normally that wasnt him, I've seen him enough to know, he can do it, just need to be teached.
Last year he played great, he needs to improve and make the jump, sometimes it's difficult to become a focal point of the offense when you were just an energy big from the bench before.
He also has never played with a PG as good as Wall, Burke is nice but he is a rookie still trying to figure it out, Kanter played a lot the first month, and Burke wasnt there, he played with John Lucas, Tinsley, Alec Burks as PG.

But still, Kanter ceiling, plus the fact that he is a big man that can really rebound,... he is worthy of Porter, and the Wizards have Webster locked in, and Ariza could stay also, you dont really need a 3.

Illuminaire · Post #18 » by **Illuminaire** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:38 am

mhd wrote:
Kanter would fit in well here b/c Nene & Gortat are good mid range shooters.

I can understand why you might consider Nene and Gortat to be good mid range shooters. That's a common perception. The reality is that they both shoot in the high 30s for mid-range shots... which is slightly better than terrible from a big picture standpoint. Smart teams give that shot up all day long because if Nene and Gortat are shooting from the elbow in high volume, chances are the Wizards are losing that game, and badly.

It takes someone like Chris Bosh (49% and 46% from mid-range over the last two full season) to really worry a defense, or better yet, someone who can knock down three-pointers. I'd argue that Millsap didn't provide spacing last year because of his mid-range game (which was on par with Nene/Gortat) but because he was also an average quality 3PT shooter.

This is all to say, I don't think Kanter would find better spacing here than he is in Utah right now. I'd also argue that his defensive limitations worry me, because if he needs to be next to a good shooting big who also defends the rim... um... who exactly does he pair well with?

hands11 · Post #19 » by **hands11** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:17 am

FAH1223 wrote:I really wanted Kanter in 2011... Wish we traded up to get him. And seeing how Ernie botched the two other picks, it hurts even more.

Well then you should feel like this would be the make up call.

Would you have taken Kanter with the 3rd in this draft ?

If so, what's the difference ? Except now we have Beal.

Hoops Addict · Post #20 » by **Hoops Addict** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:36 am

Kanter missed the last 10 games of last season due to a separated shoulder and surgery.....he did not pick up a ball for 6 months until right before training camp. He missed a lot of playtime and looks rusty, but he can still have a 20 point game.

He would be complimentary playing next to a good defensive PF, like NENE or Anthony Davis.

Porter, Seraphin, and Vesely for Kanter, Gobert, and Rush (expiring). If Ariza leaves, Rush could be re-signed with Bird rights. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1292922#sthash.JrZ1Bxoi.dpuf

Tell your GM to call the Utah GM and ask them if they think that is a good idea.

Seraphin is strong and looks OK, Vessly sucks and would get released eventually.

Overall that is a very decent trade.....fairy close value on each side, right?