Grade The Offseason

[Kanyewest]

Webster is an A
Maynor is an F
Harrington is a D
Porter is Incomplete
Rice is incomplete

Not sure what that makes the overall grade

Add the Gortat trade- and at this point for me it is a C for now.

Wasn't that an in-season trade? Or because it came regular season game it counts for pre-season

Technically, it happened before the regular season- for me the preseason is the offseason.

[Dat2U]

Webster is an A (as good as last yr...proving he's worth the contract)
Maynor is an F (this was very predictable to anyone who knew how bad Maynor really was)
Harrington is a F (see above... washed up guy coming off an injury plagued yr... this yr should not have been a surprise)
Porter is Incomplete (too early to judge but passing on Noel was a mistake IMO)
Rice is Incomplete (too early to judge, trading Wolters not so big a deal in my book... Wolters has had plenty of opportunity but hasn't shown much yet).
Wall is Incomplete (Had no problem resigning him... not worth yet but he hasn't regressed either, only time will tell)

This year is really about Wall & Porter so it's still an incomplete so far. The minor FA moves were complete duds.

[Upper Decker]

It's tough not to give the Harrington deal an outright 'F'.

His deal was guaranteed, his roster spot was guaranteed, and this causes the team to be so close to the lux tax line that no mid-season free agent acquisitions can be made. As a result, this team has zero flexibility this season. Maynor sucks, but they cannot possibly do anything to remedy this because Harrington and his busted ass is on the roster. His injury riddled season was 10000% predictable.

I find it humorous when folks complain the Wiz should pick up a PG from the d-league because Maynor sucks...well this ain't happening and you can thank Al Harrington. But hey, his momma made the team Thanksgiving dinner so it's worth it, right?!

[TGW]

^^^^^ You better duck, thinker. Some bombs are headed your way. You're absolutely right that Maynor is probably seen by the Zards FO as the better fit for the team they are building...better than Robinson and some of the other names that were tossed around here. And I think the Zards are right. Oops...I better duck too.

Well you and the FO were completely wrong. Keep duckin'.

[jeffsays]

I think Harrington's biggest asset has been off the court. His veteran leadership will be what he is most known for on this team. Hopefully he can come back healthy and contribute.

[Upper Decker]

Additional veteran leadership is overrated especially when the team has Nene, Ariza (whose won a championship), and Gortat. All of those guys are veteran leaders and Wall has become a great leader as well. Any additional support Al provides as an "off the court leader" is mitigated in spades by the fact he's 1) not playing, and 2) preventing the team from making additional roster moves.

[hands11]

It's tough not to give the Harrington deal an outright 'F'.

His deal was guaranteed, his roster spot was guaranteed, and this causes the team to be so close to the lux tax line that no mid-season free agent acquisitions can be made. As a result, this team has zero flexibility this season. Maynor sucks, but they cannot possibly do anything to remedy this because Harrington and his busted ass is on the roster. His injury riddled season was 10000% predictable.

I find it humorous when folks complain the Wiz should pick up a PG from the d-league because Maynor sucks...well this ain't happening and you can thank Al Harrington. But hey, his momma made the team Thanksgiving dinner so it's worth it, right?!

He does have a great smile.

Dare I say a $1,399,507 smile

Say Cheezzzz

[hands11]

Additional veteran leadership is overrated especially when the team has Nene, Ariza (whose won a championship), and Gortat. All of those guys are veteran leaders and Wall has become a great leader as well. Any additional support Al provides as an "off the court leader" is mitigated in spades by the fact he's 1) not playing, and 2) preventing the team from making additional roster moves.

Wall has not been a GREAT leader. But he is coming along. He is trying. He is getting there. If he can bring that D like the 2nd half of last game, every game, he will get their faster.

Putting the franchise on his back as a rookie while it was still getting blown up was a rough way to come into the league. They still had Gil here and that wasn't cleaned up. McGee and Nick were here. Dray was here. Kind of like he moved into a new home and the people getting evicted hadn't been removed by the sheriff yet. Not ideal. Uncomfortable. And hard to lead when you are a rookie with players that aren't about the team because they know they are moving on.

Then last year, with all them gone, then there were new vets. TA, Webster, Nene, Okafor. Injuries to himself and others. Lots of losing. Lots of line up changes. And Beal as the shinny new toy. Still not very ideal.

This year, he is getting a pretty clean shot at being what he was intended to be and I think he is growing into it. But I wouldn't call his leadership GREAT just yet. Webster is the real leader of the team. Nene is another leader. Wall is one of the leaders and he is the future. But right now, the team doesn't need one clear leader. I think it needs all three of those players to lead. With TA, Gortat and Beal as first Lt's. That's how I see the team gelling and that's better then just one young player as the leader.

The team is ready to take the next step. Its up to Randy and their leaders to get them there.

[dckingsfan]

It's tough not to give the Harrington deal an outright 'F'.

His deal was guaranteed, his roster spot was guaranteed, and this causes the team to be so close to the lux tax line that no mid-season free agent acquisitions can be made. As a result, this team has zero flexibility this season. Maynor sucks, but they cannot possibly do anything to remedy this because Harrington and his busted ass is on the roster. His injury riddled season was 10000% predictable.

I find it humorous when folks complain the Wiz should pick up a PG from the d-league because Maynor sucks...well this ain't happening and you can thank Al Harrington. But hey, his momma made the team Thanksgiving dinner so it's worth it, right?!

Good point... there were definitely some better choices ... no choice being one of them

[queridiculo]

D

I agree mostly with what Upper Decker wrote. In the draft, I would have been much happier with Noel. And after summer leagues, I'm even more down on Porter. I just don't think he's going to be anything more than a meh player. He's the next Evan Turner - a competent player, but not a difference maker.

The Maynor signing was really bad. Not only did EG rush into a signing without waiting for better deals to materialize, but he also locked Maynor into a 2-year deal which could really crimp our cap flexibility next summer. EG could have had Nate Robinson for the same money. Or resigned AJ Price for a 1-year deal (probably at the vet minimum).

The Webster extension was fine. Even in hindsight, it looks like a pretty good deal for a 3&D wing compared to what some other guys signed for. No complaints there.

The Temple signing was fine too. A vet-minimum 1 year deal has no downside.

I don't have a problem with the Wall extension either. He was going to get a max contract eventually even if he never quite earns it.

The Al Harrington deal is the only one I'd really characterize as "good". I think it's pretty likely that Harrington will be worth far more than the minimum salary contract it cost to sign him.

Bottom line, EG could easily have had the following lineup going forward:

PG Wall/Robinson
SG Beal/Robinson/Rice
SF Webster/Ariza/Rice
PF Nene/Harrington/Booker
C Okafor/Noel/Seraphin
End of bench: Temple, Singleton, Vesely

That lineup is far more balanced with better upside and a future core of Wall, Beal and Noel already in place. Instead, he's got no big man of the future and he's going to have Porter and Rice languishing on the bench.

Pretty spot on.

My main beef, drafting Porter over Noel.

Gortat has been a pleasant surprise, but giving up a draft choice for a 1 year rental makes this yet another inexcusable knee jerk trade by Ernie.

D+

[dckingsfan]

Love to hear why some thought this was an "A"... was that before Maynor/Harrington took the court?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Webster is an A (as good as last yr...proving he's worth the contract)
Maynor is an F (this was very predictable to anyone who knew how bad Maynor really was)
Harrington is a F (see above... washed up guy coming off an injury plagued yr... this yr should not have been a surprise)
Porter is Incomplete (too early to judge but passing on Noel was a mistake IMO)
Rice is Incomplete (too early to judge, trading Wolters not so big a deal in my book... Wolters has had plenty of opportunity but hasn't shown much yet).
Wall is Incomplete (Had no problem resigning him... not worth yet but he hasn't regressed either, only time will tell)

This year is really about Wall & Porter so it's still an incomplete so far. The minor FA moves were complete duds.

I stand by all I said about Wolters.

Wolters was benched when (Edited--not Jennings) Knight returned from injury. The last time Wolters played 30 minutes he had 18 points, 7 assists against the Spurs. 12/10/13

Wolters' PER of 12.2 is higher than Nash's or Blake's were when they were rookies. His assist/turnover ratio of almost 3:1 is also higher than rookie Nash or Blake. His .455 2Pt FG% is also higher.

Where Wolters has struggled is his .111 (3-27) 3Pt FG shooting. Wall was 3-42 in his second NBA season.

No comments on Rice. I think Wolters has accomplished a whole lot already. So far, per 82Games, Wolters has the highest simple rating on the Bucks.

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314MIL.HTM

The Bucks are 23.0 points better per 100 possessions with Wolters.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13MIL3.HTM

I think Wolters would have been a very fine addition this offseason. He's young (22) like Wall and Beal. Wolters' game could have complemented either starting G.





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[Dat2U]

Webster is an A (as good as last yr...proving he's worth the contract)
Maynor is an F (this was very predictable to anyone who knew how bad Maynor really was)
Harrington is a F (see above... washed up guy coming off an injury plagued yr... this yr should not have been a surprise)
Porter is Incomplete (too early to judge but passing on Noel was a mistake IMO)
Rice is Incomplete (too early to judge, trading Wolters not so big a deal in my book... Wolters has had plenty of opportunity but hasn't shown much yet).
Wall is Incomplete (Had no problem resigning him... not worth yet but he hasn't regressed either, only time will tell)

This year is really about Wall & Porter so it's still an incomplete so far. The minor FA moves were complete duds.

I stand by all I said about Wolters.

Wolters was benched when Jennings returned from injury. The last time Wolters played 30 minutes he had 18 points, 7 assists against the Spurs. 12/10/13

Wolters' PER of 12.2 is higher than Nash's or Blake's were when they were rookies. His assist/turnover ratio of almost 3:1 is also higher than rookie Nash or Blake. His .455 2Pt FG% is also higher.

Where Wolters has struggled is his .111 (3-27) 3Pt FG shooting. Wall was 3-42 in his second NBA season.

No comments on Rice. I think Wolters has accomplished a whole lot already. So far, per 82Games, Wolters has the highest simple rating on the Bucks.

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314MIL.HTM

The Bucks are 23.0 points better per 100 possessions with Wolters.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13MIL3.HTM







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You can cherry pick a handful of stats to make him look better but the fact is he hasn't been very good.

You could find 10-15 players in the NBDL & overseas who could put up comparable numbers.

Nate Wolters is far more likely the next Charles Jenkins, Armon Johnson or Mike Taylor than someone who can actually be an important piece on a good team.

[Dat2U]

Oh I never added... the Gortat deal is a flat out F-. The definition of short sighted. Not only do we trade a 1st round pick but were about to compound the problem because Ernie has cornered himself into the position where we'll have to pay threw the nose to keep him.

[Ruzious]

Wolters would have been better than Rice, but Withey would have been my pick - and he was picked right after Wolters. Fwiw, in small minutes he's got an absurd 75% TS% with a 20.0 PER. He still would have been my pick, but I'd like to see him play more. The other player I was pushing hard for then was Ryan Kelly, who's showing some potential for the Lakers.

[TGW]

Wolters would have been better than Rice, but Withey would have been my pick - and he was picked right after Wolters. Fwiw, in small minutes he's got an absurd 75% TS% with a 20.0 PER. He still would have been my pick, but I'd like to see him play more. The other player I was pushing hard for then was Ryan Kelly, who's showing some potential for the Lakers.

No offense Ruzious, but Withey is average 1.8 points and 1.4 rebounds. I'm pretty sure his TS% and PER numbers are NOT statistically significant. Way too low a sample size to even use it as a viable stat to judge him.

[Ruzious]

Wolters would have been better than Rice, but Withey would have been my pick - and he was picked right after Wolters. Fwiw, in small minutes he's got an absurd 75% TS% with a 20.0 PER. He still would have been my pick, but I'd like to see him play more. The other player I was pushing hard for then was Ryan Kelly, who's showing some potential for the Lakers.

No offense Ruzious, but Withey is average 1.8 points and 1.4 rebounds. I'm pretty sure his TS% and PER numbers are NOT statistically significant. Way too low a sample size to even use it as a viable stat to judge him.

There actually was a reason I said "in small minutes", and "I'd like to see him play more". God forbid if I misled anyone.

[barelyawake]

Oh I never added... the Gortat deal is a flat out F-. The definition of short sighted. Not only do we trade a 1st round pick but were about to compound the problem because Ernie has cornered himself into the position where we'll have to pay threw the nose to keep him.

Agree. And notice this thread was created pretrade -- thus my A for not blowing our wad in the Summer.

And those screaming about Wolters have to also remember the Almond craze.

I still say Marco would have been better than all the above.

[Nivek]

In my predraft analysis, Wolters rated as a much better prospect than Almond. Wolters had a latter part of the 1st round grade (in the 20-25 range); Almond had a "don't draft" rating.

And I'm not screaming about missing out on Wolters. Merely pointing out that he could have been part of a viable offseason that would have been better than what they did. Wolters might never amount to much as a pro, but he's already significantly better than either Maynor or Temple. Or Rice.

Note that I'm not particularly knocking the trade for Glen Rice. He wasn't much in college, but was definitely productive in the D-League. I probably wouldn't have used the pick on him, but he's the kind of guy you take a shot on in the 2nd round. If they get a rotation player out of him, it's a win. If they don't, it's not the end of world -- he's only a 2nd rounder.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

He is a 22 year old rookie PG, drafted in round two, who started several games and has a 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Wolters has played over 400 minutes, roughly 40% of his team's minutes. Those are not cherry-picked or opinions. Your assessment is one I disagree with. He has earned his spot in the draft.

Ruzious, Withey could have been a nice pick, I agree.

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