Blazers, Bulls Discussed Aldridge For Noah During Offseason

[otwok]

Joe Johnson on the Boozer contract would have been a good deal. I would've been okay with the 2010 offseason if we substituted Boozer with JJ. We have Taj starting, and JJ as our starting two, we probably win that Miami series.

We come closer, no way do we win though. Noah and Taj and even Boozer now, are not enough of a threat offensively to score. And that's what the Bulls need from down low.

I don't know how much I believe that. It's not the scoring down low that hurt us. It was someone to elevate the pressure from Rose. The Bulls were up in the 4th quarter is pretty much every game that series only to blow it once Rose was trapped. Joe Johnson handles the pressure in that situation. Do we win a ring that year? Don't know. Do we beat the Heat? I think with JJ in 2011, we have as good of chance as any. I think JJ in 2011 would've been the ideal running mate with Rose. But alas.

[dice]

I'm convinced people here haven't watched Melo play, especially this year. He is not the reason why the Knicks are losing. They're losing in spite of him, not because of him.

There's a sizable contingent on this board that hates on Melo regardless of what he does. Coincidentally, that group pretty much overlaps with the group that loves Deng.

It's comical. Anyone who actually sees Melo play knows how good he is, or you know, how he can sink teams in the forth quarter <like us>

melo has historically been an excellent closer (last shot situations). unfortunately, not many games come down to the last shot. his isolation skills are the main thing he brings to the table. which is great when it comes to the last shot, but not necessarily the greatest thing when you're trying to run an offense

And he gets crap from a few posters that he can't singlehandedly make that garbage Ny team a contender?

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

And how are Deng + Noah soon leading the Bulls without Rose?

deng and noah aren't stars either

Even though I hate this stat, PEr doesn't favor scorers like Melo

that's the exact opposite of the truth. PER DOES favor volume scorers. that, and it's lack of valuation of defense, are its primary faults. this is all very well established. melo is highly overrated by PER

Melo? Nearly equals Brons production head to head

not by a country mile. just about everyone recognizes that

the knicks would easily be 3rd seed in the east with lebron instead of carmeLOL

[kingkirk]

Again, you are not watching the games and that's clear by what you posted. Melo is not the issue. Also, what's the Bulls records in those games without Rose? What is their winning % compared to Melo's? Without looking it up, I bet you it's a hell of a lot lower.

Given Melo is a superstar and the planet's best scorer according to some, shouldn't his winning % be better? Would proving that only not just make it what its supposed to be?

Anyways, it was a joke, relax.

Melo is a better player than either one of them and that's not deabatable.

Im not debating that. Is anyone?

Yes, Anthony is better individual player than Deng or Noah.

Melo is better player than both combined.

No, he isn't. Not imo, especially when he is making 22-25 million annually on his next deal.

[dice]

You just claimed that Melo isn't a star and that JR Smith is as good as monte Ellis? I've seen it all.

melo is a star in name only. he has a star-quality highlight reel. and you want the ball in his hands with the game on the line. but on the whole he's an average efficiency high volume scorer and that's about it. and gets paid a boatload of money. there's no way around the fact that he doesn't change a franchise's fortunes. and if you don't believe me, ask nuggets fans who were glad to see him go and the intelligent knicks fans that were disappointed to see him arrive

j.r. smith career:

18.5 points per 36, 53.6% TS

monta ellis career:

19.5 points per 36, 52.8% TS

if that ain't damn similar, "i've seen it all"

[bledredwine]

And he gets crap from a few posters that he can't singlehandedly make that garbage Ny team a contender? And how are Deng + Noah soon leading the Bulls without Rose?

Season 2013-14

Chicago Bulls 11 - 16
New York Knicks 9-19

The standings say that the Bulls led by fringe all stars in Jo & Deng have more wins that the Knicks led by superstar scorer Melo this season.

1. Your pitting Melo alone against deng+Noah when we would have filled the center gap and had already. 2. That team sucks. Did Chris Paul suck on New Orleans? And I'd argue that a better supporting cast. 3. Our coach is significantly better. It's a miracle that NY even has 9 wins. Without Melo? Oh man. Without deng or Noah, we stay relevant due to jimmy-taj. One player in this equation is damned hard to replace.

[bledredwine]

You just claimed that Melo isn't a star and that JR Smith is as good as monte Ellis? I've seen it all.

melo is a star in name only. he has a star-quality highlight reel. and you want the ball in his hands with the game on the line. but on the whole he's an average efficiency high volume scorer and that's about it. and gets paid a boatload of money. there's no way around the fact that he doesn't change a franchise's fortunes. and if you don't believe me, ask nuggets fans who were glad to see him go and the intelligent knicks fans that were disappointed to see him arrive

j.r. smith career:

18.5 points per 36, 53.6% TS

monta ellis career:

19.5 points per 36, 52.8% TS

if that ain't damn similar, "i've seen it all"

Way to cherry pick. Jr Smith is putting 13.4 ppg on .357 FG% while Monta is beasting, playing better than anyone on our team. Go ahead and make a Monta vs JR poll on the GB or this forum.... See how lopsided it is. It's a silly comparison and Montas a better player in every way including defense. JR is part of the reason Ny sucks this year and Monta part of the reason the Mavs are doing well.

[chadrucf]

What brought the Bulls out of obscurity? 1.7% and a great coach

What contending team didn't face similar odds or have a substantial luck go into their success?

[dice]

You just claimed that Melo isn't a star and that JR Smith is as good as monte Ellis? I've seen it all.

melo is a star in name only. he has a star-quality highlight reel. and you want the ball in his hands with the game on the line. but on the whole he's an average efficiency high volume scorer and that's about it. and gets paid a boatload of money. there's no way around the fact that he doesn't change a franchise's fortunes. and if you don't believe me, ask nuggets fans who were glad to see him go and the intelligent knicks fans that were disappointed to see him arrive

j.r. smith career:

18.5 points per 36, 53.6% TS

monta ellis career:

19.5 points per 36, 52.8% TS

if that ain't damn similar, "i've seen it all"

Way to cherry pick. Jr Smith is putting 13.4 ppg on .357 FG% while Monta is beasting

you don't seem to grasp the meaning of "cherry picking." cherry picking is disingenuously picking and choosing stats to fit your argument. that is what you have just done by taking a 25 game sample. rather than take an entire career's worth of data, which i have done

Montas a better player in every way including defense

both are terrible defenders. just one more similarity

note that you don't bring up defense when carmelo anthony is being discussed. cherry picker

[bledredwine]

melo is a star in name only. he has a star-quality highlight reel. and you want the ball in his hands with the game on the line. but on the whole he's an average efficiency high volume scorer and that's about it. and gets paid a boatload of money. there's no way around the fact that he doesn't change a franchise's fortunes. and if you don't believe me, ask nuggets fans who were glad to see him go and the intelligent knicks fans that were disappointed to see him arrive

j.r. smith career:

18.5 points per 36, 53.6% TS

monta ellis career:

19.5 points per 36, 52.8% TS

if that ain't damn similar, "i've seen it all"

Way to cherry pick. Jr Smith is putting 13.4 ppg on .357 FG% while Monta is beasting

you don't seem to grasp the meaning of "cherry picking." cherry picking is disingenuously picking and choosing stats to fit your argument. that is what you have just done by taking a 25 game sample. rather than take an entire career's worth of data, which i have done

Montas a better player in every way including defense

both are terrible defenders. just one more similarity

note that you don't bring up defense when carmelo anthony is being discussed. cherry picker

Nah, it's all about now, youre the cherry picker. Lets compare pau gasol and marc gasol career numbers while were at it! and right now, everyone would say Montas the better player. Hell everyone would say he's the better player regardless. Want to do an avatar bet an I can make a poll? I'm willing to bet 75 percent choose Monta minimum. Put your avy where your mouth is? There's a reason JR ha come off the bench his career or been third option whereas Monta has been a starter or first/second option his entire career. Much like deng/Noah vs Melo. Dengs similar but not Melo. And if you really consider Monta as bad of a defender as jr, it's just more proof that you don't watch Monta play.

[bullsnewdynasty]

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

Neither was KG until he got to Boston. That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

[dice]

Nah, it's all about now, youre the cherry picker

aaaaaand, you still don't know what it means

Lets compare pau gasol and marc gasol career numbers while were at it!

huh? they're at different points in their careers. monta ellis an j.r. smith are not. and that's yet ANOTHER reason they're similar

and right now, everyone would say Montas the better player....I'm willing to bet 75 percent choose Monta minimum

75% is "everyone" now? i don't care who the moronic realGM masses would pick. like you, if they were actual GMs they would put together the knicks year after year after year. and like you, they'd think short term: "dur...monta's had a better year so far. i pick monta!"

as for monta ellis's defense, here's a discussion about whether monta's defense is regular old bad or really, really bad. from, uh, warriors fans:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=32037291

[dice]

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

Neither was KG until he got to Boston. That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

1) melo is a really good player. KG was a GREAT player
2) melo's supporting casts have been way better than what KG had to deal with in minnesota

[bullsnewdynasty]

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

Neither was KG until he got to Boston. That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

1) melo is a really good player. KG was a GREAT player
2) melo's supporting casts have been way better than what KG had to deal with in minnesota

The point is that there have been plenty of stars who have never been on a true contender yet Melo seems to be knocked for it more than any other player on this board.

For example, what's Kevin Love done lately? Al Horford? Any of this other board's darlings?

[dice]

Neither was KG until he got to Boston. That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

1) melo is a really good player. KG was a GREAT player
2) melo's supporting casts have been way better than what KG had to deal with in minnesota

The point is that there have been plenty of stars who have never been on a true contender yet Melo seems to be knocked for it more than any other player on this board.

For example, what's Kevin Love done lately? Al Horford? Any of this other board's darlings?

nobody thinks al horford's a star. and love's parallels to KG's situation need not be detailed

[kingkirk]

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

Neither was KG until he got to Boston.

He was an MVP at least.

That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

You've always refuted this when it came to CP3, though. I find that interesting.

[bullsnewdynasty]

he gets crap from the posters who recognize that he has never been on a true contender his entire career and likely won't be

Neither was KG until he got to Boston.

He was an MVP at least.

That's what happens when you play in a loaded conference or put crap around a really good player.

You've always refuted this when it came to CP3, though. I find that interesting.

Except Melo still got to the Conference Finals, which is farther than CP3 has ever gotten.

Good thing CP3's team is stacked this year so we won't have any more excuses.

[kingkirk]

Except Melo still got to the Conference Finals, which is farther than CP3 has ever gotten.

Good thing CP3's team is stacked this year so we won't have any more excuses.

Setting him up for the fall already. Good work.

Hopefully no one hold Aldridge accountable should the Blazers finish 1st and not make the WCF. We wouldn't want that.

[PMONSTER]

Except Melo still got to the Conference Finals, which is farther than CP3 has ever gotten.

Good thing CP3's team is stacked this year so we won't have any more excuses.

Setting him up for the fall already. Good work.

Hopefully no one hold Aldridge accountable should the Blazers finish 1st and not make the WCF. We wouldn't want that.

When exactly do we start to look at CP3? If Rose had that Clippers team I'd expect him to at least make it to a conference finals, and Rose is my favorite player.

"With greatness comes great expectations"

If CP3 really is that good then he's suppose to get set up for the fall, its a compliment. Let's stop treating CP3 like a baby.

[kingkirk]

When exactly do we start to look at CP3? If Rose had that Clippers team I'd expect him to at least make it to a conference finals, and Rose is my favorite player.

"With greatness comes great expectations"

If CP3 really is that good then he's suppose to get set up for the fall, its a compliment. Let's stop treating CP3 like a baby.

When he is on a 1st or 2nd seed that plummets out of the playoff picture.

The Clippers are extremely poor defensively and will on go as far as that takes them. They're a second round exit team at best. That should be the expectations on that team.

That's not babying Paul, that's being realistic. SA & OKC are just so much better than them, as are Portland atm.

[Rerisen]

I'd take Aldridge over Melo at this point.

Melo needs the ball in his hands a lot on the perimter, not sure that is what's best for Rose. Derrick needs an inside/outside partner ideally, that isn't parasitic in needing him like Boozer, and LaMarcus could have been that.

Melo was in such a shared high usage system once with Iverson, it was reasonably effective for a couple years, but not title worthy.

Anyhow, neither one is realistic at this point any longer. Both ships have sailed.