MVP discussion thread

pauk89 · Post #1401 » by **pauk89** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:44 pm

I would love to hear the arugment for LeBron deserving MVP over Durant up to this point, aside from his efficiency which has fallen from 70% to 67% over the last 2 weeks while Durant's continues to rise. If they both end up around 65 TS%, which is likely, then let's look at the other stats

Durant leads LeBron by 2.9 ppg
Durant leads LeBron by 2.1 rpg
LeBron leads Durant by 1.7 apg
Durant leads LeBron by .2 spg
Durant leads LeBron by .6 bpg
Durant's averaging .1 less to/g
Durant's team has a better record

LeBron's best teammate is averaging 20 ppg on 59 TS%
Durant's best teammate is averaging 21 ppg on 51 TS%
LeBron's 2nd best teammate is averaging 15 ppg on 60 TS%
Durant's 2nd best teammate is averaging 14 ppg on 56 TS%
OKC has played the 10th toughest schedule
Miami has played the 26th toughest schedule

MMyhre · Post #1402 » by **MMyhre** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:25 pm

pauk89 wrote:I would love to hear the arugment for LeBron deserving MVP over Durant up to this point, aside from his efficiency which has fallen from 70% to 67% over the last 2 weeks while Durant's continues to rise. If they both end up around 65 TS%, which is likely, then let's look at the other stats

Durant leads LeBron by 2.9 ppg
Durant leads LeBron by 2.1 rpg
LeBron leads Durant by 1.7 apg
Durant leads LeBron by .2 spg
Durant leads LeBron by .6 bpg
Durant's averaging .1 less to/g
Durant's team has a better record

LeBron's best teammate is averaging 20 ppg on 59 TS%
Durant's best teammate is averaging 21 ppg on 51 TS%
LeBron's 2nd best teammate is averaging 15 ppg on 60 TS%
Durant's 2nd best teammate is averaging 14 ppg on 56 TS%
OKC has played the 10th toughest schedule
Miami has played the 26th toughest schedule

I agree, Wade and Westbrook cancel each other out. But when Wade gets going he makes it so easy for LeBron to chill out like vs Lakers, because he can take over the scoring load more efficently than Westbrook can.

Westbrook helps out with teams preparing more for his drives, but KD still needs to get most of the buckets because of WB finishing poor at the basket so far. Bosh is also a much better third option when he gets going than anyone on OKC imo. Give me KD for MVP so far.

Rasho_libre · Post #1403 » by **Rasho_libre** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:44 pm

It's insane how KD gets disrespected in the media. he's arguably having a equally dominant season and his teams is winning just as much in tougher conference but anytime you hear the media talk about MVP, they always mention him if at all after Lebron. He'll truly have to win the h2h.

ceremony816 · Post #1404 » by **ceremony816** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:47 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:Same goes for LMA, who was only a game-time decision as to whether he'd play due to Migraines.

Jesus, that had to be painful being under all those bright lights if he really did have migraines.

Dame Lizard · Post #1405 » by **Dame Lizard** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:22 pm

ceremony816 wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:Same goes for LMA, who was only a game-time decision as to whether he'd play due to Migraines.

Jesus, that had to be painful being under all those bright lights if he really did have migraines.

Actually to correct myself, on second thoughts I think the Migraines reference I saw in the media was only a a reference to LMA's stat line over the last couple of games in which he's been a game-time decision, rather than him having one last night.

It seems last night's question marks were purely to do with Wisdom teeth being removed on Sunday and only having a limited diet since then. I still have my wisdom teeth, but from friend's reviews, they aren't very pleasant 4 days after removal!

Hero · Post #1406 » by **Hero** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:39 pm

Westbrook being out has major implications for the MVP race.

KD's stats will improve most likely but OKC's record will probably suffer.

pauk89 · Post #1407 » by **pauk89** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:50 pm

The Heat without LeBron are still shooting 49.4%, which leads the NBA

On a side note, good god has LeBron gotten some lucky breaks these past few years. It seems like every other contender has had major injury issues these past few years.

Colbinii · Post #1408 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:02 pm

pauk89 wrote:The Heat without LeBron are still shooting 49.4%, which leads the NBA

On a side note, good god has LeBron gotten some lucky breaks these past few years. It seems like every other contender has had major injury issues these past few years.

If only he played in a time where his position was watered down like MJ!

pelican piranha · Post #1409 » by **pelican piranha** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:15 pm

Westbrook going down could sway it either way. If the Thunder continue to win with Durant being dominant, then it gives him a lead over Lebron.

Antrim · Post #1410 » by **Antrim** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:39 pm

Westbrook out kills any chance Durant may have had.

0% he wins MVP now.

JulesWinnfield · Post #1411 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:47 pm

pelican piranha wrote:Westbrook going down could sway it either way. If the Thunder continue to win with Durant being dominant, then it gives him a lead over Lebron.

This. It really can be swung either way on this news. While his team success will certainly suffer, his raw numbers and the perception of his impact on the Thunder will both increase. It comes down to how well they can hold it down for these next 25-30 games without Westbrook. If OKC is still even within shouting distance of top seed out West when RW gets back, I think Durant's case is bolstered.

Sorkoram · Post #1412 » by **Sorkoram** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:56 am

Antrim wrote:Westbrook out kills any chance Durant may have had.

0% he wins MVP now.

His efficiency will come down to an average all-star level, rather than the super numbers he gets as teams have to focus on Westbrook's penetration. Teams will get to bump him a bit more as well, since his touches are going to have to go up as well. Reggie Jackson isn't going to fill that void, he's on the scouting report now. We saw his minutes go up a bit in the playoffs, but you still can do okay denying him, forcing him to bring the ball up the court.

His usage is going to go through the roof, sucks for KD, but it happens. I'm very intrigued in how Brooks will adjust his offense, but as far as the MVP goes, KD's stock will definitely take a hit. Perhaps Aldridge can sneak in there if they can keep up their play after the break.

QPR · Post #1413 » by **QPR** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:50 am

I think in a funny way it could help his MVP chances. His efficiency will take a hit but his raw numbers across the board will go up, and if he can keep OKC in contention for the West lead then it only helps him.

pauk89 · Post #1414 » by **pauk89** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:23 am

Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

Antrim · Post #1415 » by **Antrim** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:27 am

pauk89 wrote:Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

On 28 shots.

QPR · Post #1416 » by **QPR** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:28 am

pauk89 wrote:Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

That will be a regular line with Westbrook out - it's just his efficiency that will go down.

But really it's a media-driven award. If Durant can keep winning without Westbrook then it will only help his chances.

NaturalThunder · Post #1417 » by **NaturalThunder** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:28 am

Antrim wrote:
pauk89 wrote:Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

On 28 shots.

Ok, can't tell, are you trying to say he wasn't efficient? Or just stating a fact that pauk left out?

pauk89 · Post #1418 » by **pauk89** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:30 am

Antrim wrote:
pauk89 wrote:Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

On 28 shots.

He missed 3-4 shots he should have made, but still ended up making 50% of his FGA.

Durant was at 53.5 eFG%, rest of OKC was at 40% :roll:

But yes, even though he was 14-28 he probably should have been 18-28 or so and scored 40+. He missed some easy looks early on, he was pretty bad in the 1st 15 minutes of the game. Ended up finishing out the game 12-19 after a bad 2-9 start.

Antrim · Post #1419 » by **Antrim** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:31 am

NaturalThunder wrote:
Antrim wrote:
pauk89 wrote:Durant with a monster 1st game without Westbrook. 34/12/6 including 14 in the 4th

On 28 shots.

Ok, can't tell, are you trying to say he wasn't efficient? Or just stating a fact that pauk left out?

I'm pointing out that he's going to have to shoot a lot now, and that he's not normally get as many shots in as he did tonight late. He couldn't miss for most of the 4th.

He's definitely going to have a hard time maintaining his efficiency and his team is going to have an even harder time maintaining their record. They were very close to losing to the Bobcats.

NaturalThunder · Post #1420 » by **NaturalThunder** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:35 am

Antrim wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:
Antrim wrote:
On 28 shots.

Ok, can't tell, are you trying to say he wasn't efficient? Or just stating a fact that pauk left out?

I'm pointing out that he's going to have to shoot a lot now, and that he's not normally get as many shots in as he did tonight late. He couldn't miss for most of the 4th.

He's definitely going to have a hard time maintaining his efficiency and his team is going to have an even harder time maintaining their record. They were very close to lose to the Bobcats.

Again, what's your point? Didn't the Bobcats almost beat the Pacers, at Indy? Didn't the Bobcats nearly beat the Heat in Miami? Didn't they beat the Warriors in Charlotte?

I'm not disagreeing that OKC's record and Durant's efficiency will suffer, but let's not overanalyze a close road win just because it came against the Bobcats.