Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[theboomking]

We would sign who we want first and get to the cap, then use the MLE if we want.

You can't do that. We would have to first relinquish the MLE in order to get under the cap to have the cap room to sign Monroe. After signing Monroe, we wouldn't then be able to "unrelinquish" the MLE.

So basically, we are either trading for Monroe, or likely not signing him. He isn't the kind of player for whom you gut the whole roster and max out the cap.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

What about this trade guys? Not flashy, but a great way to save cash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lflolzs

WAS trades Nene, Ariza, Singleton, MayNOr
LAL trades Gasol, Hill, Meeks, future 2nd/1st rd pick

WAS line-up:
Wall/Temple/D-league PG
Beal/Meeks
Webster/Porter
Gasol/Booker/Vesely
Gortat/Hill/Seraphin

Renounce Seraphin's and Gasol's cap holds after the season, and voila...max cap space!

[verbal8]

What about this trade guys? Not flashy, but a great way to save cash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lflolzs

WAS trades Nene, Ariza, Singleton, MayNOr
LAL trades Gasol, Hill, Meeks, future 2nd/1st rd pick

WAS line-up:
Wall/Temple/D-league PG
Beal/Meeks
Webster/Porter
Gasol/Booker/Vesely
Gortat/Hill/Seraphin

Renounce Seraphin's and Gasol's cap holds after the season, and voila...max cap space!

Unless they get Kobe and Nash back and are in the play-off chase, I don't see them dealing for Nene. And if they are chasing the play-offs I don't see dealing Gasol. If they dump Gasol in a tank/cap space move, I think Brooklyn is the most likely destination, although I wouldn't rule out Boston as a dark horse - could give up a pick or young player and still have plenty of future assets.

[hands11]

We would sign who we want first and get to the cap, then use the MLE if we want.

You can't do that. We would have to first relinquish the MLE in order to get under the cap to have the cap room to sign Monroe. After signing Monroe, we wouldn't then be able to "unrelinquish" the MLE.

Not talking about Monroe. Talking about signing our own first.

Man... Thaddeus Young is tearing it up.

[nate33]

We would sign who we want first and get to the cap, then use the MLE if we want.

You can't do that. We would have to first relinquish the MLE in order to get under the cap to have the cap room to sign Monroe. After signing Monroe, we wouldn't then be able to "unrelinquish" the MLE.

Not talking about Monroe. Talking about signing our own first.

Man... Thaddeus Young is tearing it up.

Yes. We can resign Gortat and/or Ariza (and/or Booker and Seraphin) using Bird Rights, and then use the MLE to add other free agents. The luxtax comes into play in this scenario, depending on how expensive Ariza and Gortat are.

[nate33]

What about this trade guys? Not flashy, but a great way to save cash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lflolzs

WAS trades Nene, Ariza, Singleton, MayNOr
LAL trades Gasol, Hill, Meeks, future 2nd/1st rd pick

WAS line-up:
Wall/Temple/D-league PG
Beal/Meeks
Webster/Porter
Gasol/Booker/Vesely
Gortat/Hill/Seraphin

Renounce Seraphin's and Gasol's cap holds after the season, and voila...max cap space!

Unless they get Kobe and Nash back and are in the play-off chase, I don't see them dealing for Nene. And if they are chasing the play-offs I don't see dealing Gasol. If they dump Gasol in a tank/cap space move, I think Brooklyn is the most likely destination, although I wouldn't rule out Boston as a dark horse - could give up a pick or young player and still have plenty of future assets.

I could see the Lakers forsaking free agency this summer because there aren't any really big names. In that scenario, they would trade Gasol's expiring for a productive player who expires in 2015 (Boozer) or 2016 (Nene). My guess is that they would go for the 2015 contract though, to see if Love wants to move back to L.A.

[LyricalRico]

^ I can see Gasol for Boozer. But I actually think that they might try to re-sign Gasol for something like 2 years, $25M before trading for Nene. Similar contract, but more reliable player.

[Rafael122]

Farmar and Meeks would solve some issues for the Wizards, at least in the short term. If Porter has shown enough by the February deadline, I'd consider moving Ariza to the Lakers for a package that includes Farmar and Meeks. Jordan is the ideal backup point guard, can score, and Meeks is another shooter. Bench is stronger.

[verbal8]

Farmar and Meeks would solve some issues for the Wizards, at least in the short term. If Porter has shown enough by the February deadline, I'd consider moving Ariza to the Lakers for a package that includes Farmar and Meeks. Jordan is the ideal backup point guard, can score, and Meeks is another shooter. Bench is stronger.

It probably takes a healthy Kobe and Nash for the Lakers to go for it, but it might not be a bad move. I also figure that Kaman or Hill has to be added to the deal, so it would add some front court depth also. If the Wizards are only getting Kaman, I would insist on moving Maynor in the deal.

[Rafael122]

Farmar and Meeks would solve some issues for the Wizards, at least in the short term. If Porter has shown enough by the February deadline, I'd consider moving Ariza to the Lakers for a package that includes Farmar and Meeks. Jordan is the ideal backup point guard, can score, and Meeks is another shooter. Bench is stronger.

It probably takes a healthy Kobe and Nash for the Lakers to go for it, but it might not be a bad move. I also figure that Kaman or Hill has to be added to the deal, so it would add some front court depth also. If the Wizards are only getting Kaman, I would insist on moving Maynor in the deal.

Ariza + Maynor + Temple for Meeks + Farmar + Blake + Kaman

PG - Wall/Farmar/Blake
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Booker/Nene/Vesely/Harrington
C - Gortat/Kaman/Seraphin

I would throw in a future second round pick to sweeten the deal. I doubt the Lakers would give up Hill so that's the best I can come up with. I'd cut Harrington at that point. Added Booker into the starting lineup since that's what the team is rolling with right now.

But the 2nd unit is strong.

[nuposse04]

Farmar and Meeks would solve some issues for the Wizards, at least in the short term. If Porter has shown enough by the February deadline, I'd consider moving Ariza to the Lakers for a package that includes Farmar and Meeks. Jordan is the ideal backup point guard, can score, and Meeks is another shooter. Bench is stronger.

It probably takes a healthy Kobe and Nash for the Lakers to go for it, but it might not be a bad move. I also figure that Kaman or Hill has to be added to the deal, so it would add some front court depth also. If the Wizards are only getting Kaman, I would insist on moving Maynor in the deal.

Ariza + Maynor + Temple for Meeks + Farmar + Blake + Kaman

PG - Wall/Farmar/Blake
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Booker/Nene/Vesely/Harrington
C - Gortat/Kaman/Seraphin

I would throw in a future second round pick to sweeten the deal. I doubt the Lakers would give up Hill so that's the best I can come up with. I'd cut Harrington at that point. Added Booker into the starting lineup since that's what the team is rolling with right now.

But the 2nd unit is strong.

I wouldn't move Ariza unless Hill is coming back. Farmar is nice, but he's only going to be here for a season and then could bounce. Meeks is an after thought, as is Kaman. Steve blake is old and injured. We're giving up one damn good starter for one good backup PG basically...although addition by subtraction with maynor is appealing I'd rather hold out on something we "can't turn down."

[Rafael122]

It probably takes a healthy Kobe and Nash for the Lakers to go for it, but it might not be a bad move. I also figure that Kaman or Hill has to be added to the deal, so it would add some front court depth also. If the Wizards are only getting Kaman, I would insist on moving Maynor in the deal.

Ariza + Maynor + Temple for Meeks + Farmar + Blake + Kaman

PG - Wall/Farmar/Blake
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Booker/Nene/Vesely/Harrington
C - Gortat/Kaman/Seraphin

I would throw in a future second round pick to sweeten the deal. I doubt the Lakers would give up Hill so that's the best I can come up with. I'd cut Harrington at that point. Added Booker into the starting lineup since that's what the team is rolling with right now.

But the 2nd unit is strong.

I wouldn't move Ariza unless Hill is coming back. Farmar is nice, but he's only going to be here for a season and then could bounce. Meeks is an after thought, as is Kaman. Steve blake is old and injured. We're giving up one damn good starter for one good backup PG basically...although addition by subtraction with maynor is appealing I'd rather hold out on something we "can't turn down."

Thing is you run into the same problem, do you pay Hill? What is he worth? Do you want money tied up into Gortat, Nene, Booker, and Hill?

I was reading the wiretap this morning regarding the Pacers and Lance Stephenson. It looks like the Pacers are going to go over the luxury tax next season unless they clear some salary.

This 3 way/Billy King/Lyrical Rico special:

Pacers get: Steve Blake, Chris Singleton
Lakers get: Trevor Ariza, CJ Watson
Wizards get: Chris Copeland, Chris Kaman, Jodie Meeks, Jordan Farmar

Pacers get out of Copeland's and Watson's contract next year (saves them about $5 mil total), Lakers get a backup point guard and the hope of pairing Ariza and a re-signed Gasol w/Kobe. Wizards get a backup center, solid back up point guard and shooting guard, and protection at the 3 w/Copeland. It also allows the Pacers to sign Stephenson w/out going over the tax. That George Hill contract looks terrible now.

[nuposse04]

I would take Hill over Booker...and I'd almost prefer Hill over Gortat. If Indy wants to get out of Copeland's deal I'd offer something like Harrington+Singleton, and that is about it. I'd rather see if this Nene+Seraphin combo continues to work rather the bring Kaman. So it comes down to Ariza for Farmar for us....not very compelling in my book.

[Rafael122]

I would take Hill over Booker...and I'd almost prefer Hill over Gortat. If Indy wants to get out of Copeland's deal I'd offer something like Harrington+Singleton, and that is about it. I'd rather see if this Nene+Seraphin combo continues to work rather the bring Kaman. So it comes down to Ariza for Farmar for us....not very compelling in my book.

Booker might cost 3-4 mil a year, while Hill could see double that, then you've got Wall's extension kicking in, Nene and Gortat's double digit per year salary. Not to mention Beal is due for an extension in 2 years.

[LyricalRico]

Booker can also potentially be had for the QO, same as Seraphin. I doubt if anybody is going to overpay either of them and dare the Wiz to match, so we can potentially retain them for around $7M combined next year if we decide to proceed with a plan that doesn't involve renouncing everybody.

[nuposse04]

I think Hill at the MLE or slightly above it is about fair value. The problem is Nene's contract obviously. If WAS is going to move Ariza, I think we should look to trying to attach Nene with him in order to ameliorate cap space.

Also, I think Booker gets what D. Arthur got...not sure on Seraphin...I mean...would we even want him back? He needs to show CONSIDERABLE change to end the season. The last 4 games or so are encouraging...but he has to do it over a 30 game stretch for me to believe.

[Induveca]

I think Hill at the MLE or slightly above it is about fair value. The problem is Nene's contract obviously. If WAS is going to move Ariza, I think we should look to trying to attach Nene with him in order to ameliorate cap space.

Also, I think Booker gets what D. Arthur got...not sure on Seraphin...I mean...would we even want him back? He needs to show CONSIDERABLE change to end the season. The last 4 games or so are encouraging...but he has to do it over a 30 game stretch for me to believe.

Someone like a San Antonio or Miami will pay for Seraphin somehow. If it's SA, I fully expect him to excel.

He makes a lot of sense on either team.

[nate33]

It probably takes a healthy Kobe and Nash for the Lakers to go for it, but it might not be a bad move. I also figure that Kaman or Hill has to be added to the deal, so it would add some front court depth also. If the Wizards are only getting Kaman, I would insist on moving Maynor in the deal.

Ariza + Maynor + Temple for Meeks + Farmar + Blake + Kaman

I wouldn't move Ariza unless Hill is coming back. Farmar is nice, but he's only going to be here for a season and then could bounce. Meeks is an after thought, as is Kaman. Steve blake is old and injured. We're giving up one damn good starter for one good backup PG basically...although addition by subtraction with maynor is appealing I'd rather hold out on something we "can't turn down."

Exactly. I still can't figure out why people keep trying to give Ariza away. The guy is a quality starter. You don't trade him for a bunch of bench players.

[Dark Faze]

You guys have to realize that Ariza isn't going for MLE money. He took MLE money after a few short seasons with the Lakers and he's shown that he's a better player than he was then. He's one of the best three and d players in the league.

He has more value than Reddick and Korver easily--the guy has proven he's game changer unlike those guys. There's zero chance I take less than 8 million a year if I'm Trevor.

I wouldn't settle for anything besides a first or a long term front court starter for him a this point though. The talent between the top teams in the West is so close that Ariza would tip the scales for a lot of those teams and a first is absolutely worth it.

[TGW]

Ariza, Maynor, Seraphin, and Booker for Amir Johnson, Vasquez, and Fields. I think that would help both teams. Toronto cuts salary, and the Wizards get a starting power forward and a good backup point guard at last.