Grade The Offseason

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh I never added... the Gortat deal is a flat out F-. The definition of short sighted. Not only do we trade a 1st round pick but were about to compound the problem because Ernie has cornered himself into the position where we'll have to pay threw the nose to keep him.

Agree. And notice this thread was created pretrade -- thus my A for not blowing our wad in the Summer.

And those screaming about Wolters have to also remember the Almond craze.

I still say Marco would have been better than all the above.

Almond is a shot at me. Wolters started games and was leading in ast/to. DAT disparaged Wolters in a comment above. I commented that I disagree.

I am glad I don't post here much. This is why. I said nothing negative about any player. I presented stats. Now I am engaged in a dispute.

Barely, thanks but Almond is in your mind and not mine.

Cousins has a PER of 26 and the Kings wouldn't trade him for Kevin Love. Is he as good as John Wall? I never said Cousins straight up for Wall,either. Just which player I preferred.



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[barelyawake]

CCJ, it wasn't a shot at you directly. MANY people on this board wanted Almond. My point is second rounders sometimes bust, sometimes hit. Rice was a good bet. Wolters could have as easily been Almond, as could Rice. No team should make or break on a second round pick to begin with.

Sorry if you took it personally and merry merry.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry you responded before I could delete. Barelyawake, you and I are cool. No worries.

I think Rice had BETTER D-league stats than Mo Almond. I am not even saying the guy can't play. He is a first round athlete.

My Wolters love runs deep but it is early. He and Otto both had strong pre draft credentials.

On the positive side, Porter is definitely looking better and better--and that improves the team's offseason grade.

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[Kanyewest]

Webster is an A (as good as last yr...proving he's worth the contract)
Maynor is an F (this was very predictable to anyone who knew how bad Maynor really was)
Harrington is a F (see above... washed up guy coming off an injury plagued yr... this yr should not have been a surprise)
Porter is Incomplete (too early to judge but passing on Noel was a mistake IMO)
Rice is Incomplete (too early to judge, trading Wolters not so big a deal in my book... Wolters has had plenty of opportunity but hasn't shown much yet).
Wall is Incomplete (Had no problem resigning him... not worth yet but he hasn't regressed either, only time will tell)

This year is really about Wall & Porter so it's still an incomplete so far. The minor FA moves were complete duds.

I stand by all I said about Wolters.

Wolters was benched when Jennings returned from injury. The last time Wolters played 30 minutes he had 18 points, 7 assists against the Spurs. 12/10/13

Wolters' PER of 12.2 is higher than Nash's or Blake's were when they were rookies. His assist/turnover ratio of almost 3:1 is also higher than rookie Nash or Blake. His .455 2Pt FG% is also higher.

Where Wolters has struggled is his .111 (3-27) 3Pt FG shooting. Wall was 3-42 in his second NBA season.

No comments on Rice. I think Wolters has accomplished a whole lot already. So far, per 82Games, Wolters has the highest simple rating on the Bucks.

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314MIL.HTM

The Bucks are 23.0 points better per 100 possessions with Wolters.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13MIL3.HTM

I think Wolters would have been a very fine addition this offseason. He's young (22) like Wall and Beal. Wolters' game could have complemented either starting G.





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Nash had a negative PER in his rookie season. Although to be fair to Nash, he didn't have the opportunities that Wolters had his rookie year. The Suns began Nash's rookie season with Kevin Johnson and Sam Cassell. Later they traded Sam Cassell (and Finley) for Jason Kidd.

I liked Wolters coming out and proved to be decent for a stretch of games but he does need to improve his shooting. Wolters has a TS% of 44% while Nash's in his rookie season was 54%. Wolter does seem to have a good BBIQ but he needs to shoot a lot better to get more time on the floor.

[Ruzious]

He is a 22 year old rookie PG, drafted in round two, who started several games and has a 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Wolters has played over 400 minutes, roughly 40% of his team's minutes. Those are not cherry-picked or opinions. Your assessment is one I disagree with. He has earned his spot in the draft.

Ruzious, Withey could have been a nice pick, I agree.

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Thanks CCJ. Bucks fans in general like Wolters. I think once he gets going on his 3 point shooting (and he's got great form, so I have no doubt he'll improve on it), he has a chance to be a Jeff Hornacek (sp?) type player and could play either guard position.

[Dat2U]

He is a 22 year old rookie PG, drafted in round two, who started several games and has a 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Wolters has played over 400 minutes, roughly 40% of his team's minutes. Those are not cherry-picked or opinions. Your assessment is one I disagree with. He has earned his spot in the draft.

Ruzious, Withey could have been a nice pick, I agree.

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And the ONLY reason he received 40% of his team's minutes at PG is because Brandon Knight & Luke Ridnour both went down with injuries. So trying to suggest he somehow earned those minutes or beat out vets for those minutes would be very misleading. Imagine if Ariza & Webster went down? If healthy, Glen Rice Jr would have probably received a ton of minutes as well. It doesn't mean anything if you can't do anything with those minutes.

PER: 12.2
TS%: .448%
eFG%: .410%
3P%: .111
ORtg: 98
WP48: .033
PER 36: 10.6 ppg 2.3 rpg 3.5 ast

Those numbers aren't impressive under any circumstances.

[nate33]

I agree with Dat2U. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that Wolters is a good player. His numbers indicate that he's an end-of-bencher. I suppose being an end-of-bencher is better than being D-League caliber, so he's better than a lot of 2nd round picks, but let's not act like the kid is any kind of stud. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was out of the league after his rookie contract.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Context is everything.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2014.html

Compare Wolters with every other Bucks guard. Knight, Neal, Mayo and Ridnour. nate33, how are Ridnour's PER, WS/48, ORtg, and DRtg each lower than Wolters'? His .033 WS/48 is higher than every other Bucks guard, including those of O.J. Mayo and Brandon Knight.

My first response to Dat above was that 82Games rated Wolters first in simple rating, and he rated +23 per 100 possessions. You guys are wrong and time will prove me right this time. I can be real wrong, too. I dont think this is one of those times.

I am going to stop at I think time will prove me right on Wolters.

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[Ruzious]

The important thing to remember is that I'm right. Now that NO has Alexis Ajinka (an interesting player, btw), Withey is buried on the bench. The Wiz could steal him. Btw, I like that Pelicans team.

[Dat2U]

Context is everything.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2014.html

Compare Wolters with every other Bucks guard. Knight, Neal, Mayo and Ridnour. nate33, how are Ridnour's PER, WS/48, ORtg, and DRtg each lower than Wolters'? His .033 WS/48 is higher than every other Bucks guard, including those of O.J. Mayo and Brandon Knight.

My first response to Dat above was that 82Games rated Wolters first in simple rating, and he rated +23 per 100 possessions. You guys are wrong and time will prove me right this time. I can be real wrong, too. I dont think this is one of those times.

I am going to stop at I think time will prove me right on Wolters.

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Context? The Bucks guards stink! There's your context. They've got the worst collection of guards in the league hands down. It's the biggest reason they are currently the worst team in the NBA.

There is absolutely no evidence that Wolters was some type of steal. Getting force fed minutes because the rest of your peers are either injured or are some of the worst players at their respective positions doesn't win Wolters any bonus points IMO.

[Nivek]

He is a 22 year old rookie PG, drafted in round two, who started several games and has a 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Wolters has played over 400 minutes, roughly 40% of his team's minutes. Those are not cherry-picked or opinions. Your assessment is one I disagree with. He has earned his spot in the draft.

Ruzious, Withey could have been a nice pick, I agree.

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And the ONLY reason he received 40% of his team's minutes at PG is because Brandon Knight & Luke Ridnour both went down with injuries. So trying to suggest he somehow earned those minutes or beat out vets for those minutes would be very misleading. Imagine if Ariza & Webster went down? If healthy, Glen Rice Jr would have probably received a ton of minutes as well. It doesn't mean anything if you can't do anything with those minutes.

PER: 12.2
TS%: .448%
eFG%: .410%
3P%: .111
ORtg: 98
WP48: .033
PER 36: 10.6 ppg 2.3 rpg 3.5 ast

Those numbers aren't impressive under any circumstances.

For me, the point isn't that Wolters is outstanding or even that he's the second coming of Steve Nash. It's that he's STILL significantly better than Maynor or Temple. PER is a flawed stat, but Wolter's PER is still higher than Maynor's and Temple's ADDED together (which is ridiculous, but makes the point).

- Wolters -- 12.2
- Maynor -- 6.7
- Temple -- 3.7
- Maynor + Temple -- 10.4

[Dat2U]

For me, the point isn't that Wolters is outstanding or even that he's the second coming of Steve Nash. It's that he's STILL significantly better than Maynor or Temple. PER is a flawed stat, but Wolter's PER is still higher than Maynor's and Temple's ADDED together (which is ridiculous, but makes the point).

- Wolters -- 12.2
- Maynor -- 6.7
- Temple -- 3.7
- Maynor + Temple -- 10.4

Well Wolters would look pretty good next to Temple & Maynor considering those two aren't legitimate NBA players.

[Illuminaire]

CCJ makes an excellent point on context. Wolters isn't a stud, but his production is still intriguing given the situation he was thrown into. He is on a terrible team with terrible chemistry, and he's outproducing some guys who have been low end starters/high end backups for their entire career. That he is doing so as a rookie strongly suggests he has a place in this league.

There is a wide spectrum between Chris Paul and Chris Smith. All Wolters has to do to be a second round bargain is end up in the "great guy to have coming off the bench" part of that spectrum. Time will tell if he does, but I think there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest he is on that path.