Otto Porter

[verbal8]

I didn't like Childress' game overall but when he was in Atlanta he used to move well without the ball in the halfcourt to find openings inside for easy buckets. I see some of that in Porter.

I think the missing piece of Childress' game was a 3 point shot, especially as a SG. If you add a couple 3 point attempts at a better rate, his numbers look a lot better. One thing Childress was great at was shooting a high percentage for 2 pointers. If Porter can do that he will work very well with Beal, who doesn't seem to be extremely efficient there.

I think Porter may also be a bit more of a play-maker - better Assist/TO ratio - than Childress.

[Illuminaire]

As a few of the pro-Porter crowd mentioned way back when he was drafted, this kid is a system player. He's smart and he works within the flow of the game on offense and defense. The more time he has to mesh with the system, the better he will look... like some kind of existential basketball cyborg.

He's not a fast-twitch athlete and he's not going to overpower people. He has a lot of skill though, a lot of length, and a great work ethic. Those three attributes tend to produce good to excellent basketball players. Porter has a long way to go but I expect that by next season he's going to be sneaky-good.

Now, whether he'll be better at efficient team-friendly play than, say, Trevor Ariza.... that's a different question. >.>

[stevemcqueen1]

I think Porter is going to end up being a significantly more useful and versatile offensive player than Ariza. Better passer, better instincts, better repertoire. And I think he can get to a point where his defense will be comparable in time. I expect Porter to be a substantially more valuable all around player than Ariza over the course of his career.

A #3 overall draft pick is one of the most valuable single team building assets a team can stumble onto. When you get one, you're looking for a really good player you can use for a decade. To me it's clear that Ariza is not a good enough player or significant enough team building asset to factor in the decision for a #3 overall pick.

But still, to maximize the total value of the Porter pick, I think it's important for us to get some sort of asset back from Ariza. I don't really see the timing of an Ariza trade working out for us before the deadline though. I think we might have to try and extend Ariza this offseason, continue to enjoy his play, and search for a good deal down the road.

But I also don't want to keep Porter buried on the bench for too long.

[fishercob]

Read the beal thread from last November.

[mhd]

I think Porter is going to end up being a significantly more useful and versatile offensive player than Ariza. Better passer, better instincts, better repertoire. And I think he can get to a point where his defense will be comparable in time. I expect Porter to be a substantially more valuable all around player than Ariza over the course of his career.

A #3 overall draft pick is one of the most valuable single team building assets a team can stumble onto. When you get one, you're looking for a really good player you can use for a decade. To me it's clear that Ariza is not a good enough player or significant enough team building asset to factor in the decision for a #3 overall pick.

But still, to maximize the total value of the Porter pick, I think it's important for us to get some sort of asset back from Ariza. I don't really see the timing of an Ariza trade working out for us before the deadline though. I think we might have to try and extend Ariza this offseason, continue to enjoy his play, and search for a good deal down the road.

But I also don't want to keep Porter buried on the bench for too long.

COmparable defender? Porter may have a better all around offensive skill-set sans 3 point shooter, but I don't think comparable defender is a fair threshold. Nivek has statistically shown that Ariza is a top 5 defender in the NBA.

[Illuminaire]

I would argue that Porter's best asset will be disruptive team defense. The advanced stats on his college career were fascinating - he contested a scary percentage of shots while he was on the floor, and he was effective in dropping the FG% of people he helped defend against. Add in his rebounding instincts and he should be very good in most systems.

I don't know if he'll be quite that good as a man defender. I'm still unsure about his lateral quickness on the defensive end, and his strength defending the post.

Offensively I really don't know. He has a lot of work to do to be more than a spot up shooter and backdoor cutter.

[hands11]

It is under the Gortat TOV list. 2nd video. Gortat holds Drummond by the arm which prevents him from going for the block. Would have been called for a moving screen regardless. Good call by the refs.

Sucks. But he'll get a few. Otto's got long arms and decent hands.

Thanks for the link. I wanted to see that again.

But come on. Holds his arm ? Moving screen

That was a weak ass call. Horrible call. He barely touched Drummonds and he ran away from the play. There was a very small screen but that kind of stuff goes uncalled all the time.

Those refs sucked. And I can say that even in a blow out.

I totally agree

...if they were playing rugby.

But in basketball, that was an obvious offensive foul.

Obvious ? Rugby ? LOL. You clearly have never played Rugby from the sounds of it or ever watch a Rugby game.

I watched that thing at least 20 times. I watched it just watching Monroe. I watch it just watching Gortat. It is anything but obvious. There is a smallest amount of contact and its caused by Monroe as much as anything. Does Monroe end up having to account for Gortat and adjust a little to get around him ? Yeah. But Gortat was ahead of him on a fast break. Its not like Gortat chased Monroe down. And if you watch Monroe's path, its pretty much in a straight line even as he passes Gortat.

Gortat is running the floor on the break and he is well over the half court and ahead of Monroe. Monroe is coming up from behind. Gortat doesn't even know where he is. Gortat slows down a step to read Otto and sees what he is going to do. He sees Otto take a hard dribble building up speed to go for the dunk. Gortat turns his head and spots Monroe and slows up another step to run behind him. Monroe has momentum since he has been running the floor looking to defend the play since he crossed half court. As Gortat is cutting behind Monroe, Monroe reaches his arm out to feel where Gortat is as he passes behind him so he can keep his eyes on Otto who he is sizing up for a block. They barely touch each other. All that happen in like 2 seconds. Once Monroe gets Gortat he doesn't have to time or space to gather himself to jump. Otto is already in the air making a poster out of him.

If Gortat was really trying to screen him, he would have reached his arm out in front of Monroe's mid section and stayed in a straight line ahead of him. He didn't do that. He went behind him and he kind of does a arm swim move to get his arm out of the way so he can move behind him.

So what was Gortat supposed to do once he figured out Otto was going for the dunk. Put on his 6-11 240 lbs stop on a dime emergency air breaks ?

Rugby ? Hell, that would be an instant replay call in touch football.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Porter is going to end up being a significantly more useful and versatile offensive player than Ariza. Better passer, better instincts, better repertoire. And I think he can get to a point where his defense will be comparable in time. I expect Porter to be a substantially more valuable all around player than Ariza over the course of his career.

A #3 overall draft pick is one of the most valuable single team building assets a team can stumble onto. When you get one, you're looking for a really good player you can use for a decade. To me it's clear that Ariza is not a good enough player or significant enough team building asset to factor in the decision for a #3 overall pick.

But still, to maximize the total value of the Porter pick, I think it's important for us to get some sort of asset back from Ariza. I don't really see the timing of an Ariza trade working out for us before the deadline though. I think we might have to try and extend Ariza this offseason, continue to enjoy his play, and search for a good deal down the road.

But I also don't want to keep Porter buried on the bench for too long.

COmparable defender? Porter may have a better all around offensive skill-set sans 3 point shooter, but I don't think comparable defender is a fair threshold. Nivek has statistically shown that Ariza is a top 5 defender in the NBA.

I think Porter will continue to get better even with both Webster and Ariza as teammates. Ariza is a player who I hope remains a Wizard under a reasonable contract. All three can be on the court together in some situations. The minutes Porter gets now seem fine to me. I like that Otto is not under pressure too soon. Ariza is not hurting Otto right now. (Yeah, I said different at draft time. Otto IMO is going to develop slowly but surely. )

Of course, it is better to trade Ariza for value than lose him to free agency and a better deal than the Wizards have to offer. In that case Porter is the player who will need to get better fast.

I am happy with the SF position fot this team, regardless.

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[Upper Decker]

Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee

Otto Porter Jr said he got a life-sized poster of Hasheem Thabeet at a MEM game, hung on his wall & used it to measure his height #wizards

This is a terrible omen. Who is the biggest top 3 bust since Thabeet? Esh...

[verbal8]

Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee

Otto Porter Jr said he got a life-sized poster of Hasheem Thabeet at a MEM game, hung on his wall & used it to measure his height #wizards

This is a terrible omen. Who is the biggest top 3 bust since Thabeet? Esh...

There is always Anthony Bennett.

[Ruzious]

Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee

Otto Porter Jr said he got a life-sized poster of Hasheem Thabeet at a MEM game, hung on his wall & used it to measure his height #wizards

This is a terrible omen. Who is the biggest top 3 bust since Thabeet? Esh...

There is always Anthony Bennett.

Bennett got 19 and 10 last night. Time to pick him up in fantasy leagues.

[AFM]

Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee

Otto Porter Jr said he got a life-sized poster of Hasheem Thabeet at a MEM game, hung on his wall & used it to measure his height #wizards

This is a terrible omen. Who is the biggest top 3 bust since Thabeet? Esh...

There is always Anthony Bennett.

The one who had 19 and 10 last night? Quote this post and rub it in my face when Porter does that.

[DCZards]

Bennett got 19 and 10 last night. Time to pick him up in fantasy leagues.

Yeah, Bennett is slowly beginning to find his groove as an NBA player. I think he'll eventually end up being worthy of a top 5 pick. We'll see if he ends up being worthy of the first pick.

Bennett's play now that he's getting regular minutes reinforces the view held by many of us that the Zards won't really know what they have in Porter until he's a regular in the rotation....getting at least 15-20 minutes a game.

[jivelikenice]

^Yup...You learn nothing from spot duty. The game has to slow down before we know what we have. It was ridiculous for Randy to keep a hobbled Webster out there yesterday. He's seriously risking the health of a lot of key guys. That's this issue with a lame duck HC and GM.

[pancakes3]

It's always better to be playing than to watch. Even if you know how everything is going to play out, your vantage is from the bench. It looks completely different on the court. All the angles, all the lanes, all the spots you learned from the sidelines become meaningless.

That's also why I think d-league is overrated as a development tool. The angles, lanes, spots, etc you get used to in d-league become useless once you face NBA caliber defenses. Worst case scenario, you develop bad habits that you can't fix and it hinders your game forever (John Wall: Jump pass, picking up your dribble for a behind-the-back, not coming off picks close enough...)

[hands11]

Bennett got 19 and 10 last night. Time to pick him up in fantasy leagues.

Yeah, Bennett is slowly beginning to find his groove as an NBA player. I think he'll eventually end up being worthy of a top 5 pick. We'll see if he ends up being worthy of the first pick.

Bennett's play now that he's getting regular minutes reinforces the view held by many of us that the Zards won't really know what they have in Porter until he's a regular in the rotation....getting at least 15-20 minutes a game.

There was a good debate about Bennett pre draft with some hard core supporters. Bennett did have a really slow start and has taken some shots from posters here, me included, but I have held back from nose rubbing the people that supported him here. Sometimes these things just take time. I was not a Bennett supporter pre draft. But like pretty much every draft, it going to take a min 3 years to get a good complete read on it. Some players will come out of the gate as solid or very good over achievers. Other will take time to develop and get opportunities. Otto is one of them. His injury really set him back as did him landing on a Randy team with TA and Webster in front of him. We really just have so little to go on regarding Otto.

I liked players like Nikola Vucevic and Markieff Morris in 2011. But there wasn't much to say about them year one. Had the debate came up in year one, liking them would look very wrong. Since then, both are looking a lot better with Vucevic starting to look like a very good pick. And now Markieff is starting to look better as well.

sfam may still end up looking good for all his Bennett love. We will see.

[hands11]

^Yup...You learn nothing from spot duty. The game has to slow down before we know what we have. It was ridiculous for Randy to keep a hobbled Webster out there yesterday. He's seriously risking the health of a lot of key guys. That's this issue with a lame duck HC and GM.

#sorandy.

He just doesn't turn to his other assets unless forced to do so.

Should have turned to Otto with Webster dinged and them need more length out there.
Should have tried Ves earier
Should have yanked Wall and played more Temple

Earlier in the year....
Shouldn't have kept trying Maynor for so long before turning to Temple.
Should have used so much AH when he defense was terrible.
Should have tried Nene off the bench soon when he was more injured and limited in minutes.

Randy is slow to adjust and always leaning on his vet and plays it to predictably safe.
He has held back Kevin and Ves and now he is doing the same to Otto.

[mhd]

Why is RIce getting inactive while Porter is ahead of him? Rice just finished a really strong stint in the D-league, but he gets inactive for no reason.

[The Consiglieri]

Bennett got 19 and 10 last night. Time to pick him up in fantasy leagues.

Yeah, Bennett is slowly beginning to find his groove as an NBA player. I think he'll eventually end up being worthy of a top 5 pick. We'll see if he ends up being worthy of the first pick.

Bennett's play now that he's getting regular minutes reinforces the view held by many of us that the Zards won't really know what they have in Porter until he's a regular in the rotation....getting at least 15-20 minutes a game.

There was a good debate about Bennett pre draft with some hard core supporters. Bennett did have a really slow start and has taken some shots from posters here, me included, but I have held back from nose rubbing the people that supported him here. Sometimes these things just take time. I was not a Bennett supporter pre draft. But like pretty much every draft, it going to take a min 3 years to get a good complete read on it. Some players will come out of the gate as solid or very good over achievers. Other will take time to develop and get opportunities. Otto is one of them. His injury really set him back as did him landing on a Randy team with TA and Webster in front of him. We really just have so little to go on regarding Otto.

I liked players like Nikola Vucevic and Markieff Morris in 2011. But there wasn't much to say about them year one. Had the debate came up in year one, liking them would look very wrong. Since then, both are looking a lot better with Vucevic starting to look like a very good pick. And now Markieff is starting to look better as well.

sfam may still end up looking good for all his Bennett love. We will see.

I wanted him, supported him for the pick, and despised the idea of Otto over him, Bennett was an upside pick with moderate downside, I always thought Otto was a pick with a low ceiling, and a low floor because of that jack of all trades master of none downside possibility. So I'll take all the hits necessary as needed though like just about every Bennett booster, when Noel fell, I wanted him over everyone, which is why I like many others, was apoplectic when we passed on him. Noel was #1 on my board w/o doubt, injury or no injury (what, were we gonna win the NBA title this year, or be stronger than any of the top 9 teams in the west? why in hell would we pass on a guy because he couldn't contribute immediately. Such lazy, moronic team management).

[Upper Decker]

I love how people get pissed at Randy for not playing Otto like they're at practice and see how he performs off camera. Also, I love how folks justify Otto not getting playing time because the Wizards are trying to "win now". Is Porter the only rookie who's ever played on a winning team? If Porter was good and could contribute he'd be playing, no question about that.