Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[TheProfessor]

...he is?

you think morey is going to trade for melo? really? aside from the obvious clashing of melo, harden, and howard...what about the fact that they have a solid small forward in parsons (who has arguably the best contract in the league, value wise) and there would not be a guarantee melo re-signs?

Slot melo at the 4 and let that the most entertaining perennial Western Conference runners up in the history of the NBA for the next 4 years.

i just dont see how it would work on the court...the playing styles do not mesh...and, of course, morey loves his advanced stats -- a place where melo doesnt usually shine.

It wouldnt,theyd get by on talent alone kinda like 2011 MIA lite ergo wcf runners up instead of finals runners up. Its not play styles that worry me, its Mchale he cant handle stars eg. No D James Haren. A coach like phil or larry brown or thibs get them a ring tho.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Slot melo at the 4 and let that the most entertaining perennial Western Conference runners up in the history of the NBA for the next 4 years.

i just dont see how it would work on the court...the playing styles do not mesh...and, of course, morey loves his advanced stats -- a place where melo doesnt usually shine.

It wouldnt,theyd get by on talent alone kinda like 2011 MIA lite ergo wcf runners up instead of finals runners up. Its not play styles that worry me, its Mchale he cant handle stars eg. No D James Haren. A coach like phil or larry brown or thibs get them a ring tho.

that team would be a trainwreck on offense and defense...and they wouldnt be anywhere near miami because of the talent discrepancy.

i agree that mchale is not doing the rockets right, but i honestly dont think any available coaches would do well with a team constructed around melo, harden, and howard (and no, i dont think phil is coming back, dont think brown is coming back nor do i think he would want to coach a team with 3 divas, and i also dont think thibs is leaving the bulls any time soon).

[Mars_Blackmon]

I think Melo is about as hard to trade. What can you get from the Clippers or Lakers for Melo?

It's not easy to get a trade that works. And don't start with Blake because that's not happening.

But my favorite...

Melo for Beal, Porter, filler + 1st I think works for everyone (if Melo wants to leave and wants the max).

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

[NBA Fan 1234]

I think Melo is about as hard to trade. What can you get from the Clippers or Lakers for Melo?

It's not easy to get a trade that works. And don't start with Blake because that's not happening.

But my favorite...

Melo for Beal, Porter, filler + 1st I think works for everyone (if Melo wants to leave and wants the max).

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

isnt he from the dmv area?

remember... this team traded a first to get gortat (thought it wasnt a bad trade at the time...now, not so sure - guess we'll see where the pick lands). dont think they would want to trade beal, but, again, if they dont want to rebuild (or want a cheap out of a rebuild), this is their shot (if melo re ups with them). as for porter - hes been garbage this year. wasnt a huge fan of his last year...thought he would be at best a tayshaun prince level player.

that being said...i still dont see melo going to another team in a 1:1 deal (IF he is even traded at all -- still think clippers make the "most" sense).

[Mars_Blackmon]

I think Melo is about as hard to trade. What can you get from the Clippers or Lakers for Melo?

It's not easy to get a trade that works. And don't start with Blake because that's not happening.

But my favorite...

Melo for Beal, Porter, filler + 1st I think works for everyone (if Melo wants to leave and wants the max).

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

isnt he from the dmv area?

remember... this team traded a first to get gortat (thought it wasnt a bad trade at the time...now, not so sure - guess we'll see where the pick lands). dont think they would want to trade beal, but, again, if they dont want to rebuild (or want a cheap out of a rebuild), this is their shot (if melo re ups with them). as for porter - hes been garbage this year. wasnt a huge fan of his last year...thought he would be at best a tayshaun prince level player.

that being said...i still dont see melo going to another team in a 1:1 deal (IF he is even traded at all -- still think clippers make the "most" sense).

yeah he grew up in Baltimore but the Wizards dont have anything to offer him especially when you gut the team of talent

Knicks, Lakers, Clippers maybe Bulls, Heat or Mavericks

those are probably the only options

I still think he has a great playoff run, we fall to Indiana in Round 2, Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round, Blake doesn't show up, Paul and Doc insist on getting Melo and the deal is done like that

[NBA Fan 1234]

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

isnt he from the dmv area?

remember... this team traded a first to get gortat (thought it wasnt a bad trade at the time...now, not so sure - guess we'll see where the pick lands). dont think they would want to trade beal, but, again, if they dont want to rebuild (or want a cheap out of a rebuild), this is their shot (if melo re ups with them). as for porter - hes been garbage this year. wasnt a huge fan of his last year...thought he would be at best a tayshaun prince level player.

that being said...i still dont see melo going to another team in a 1:1 deal (IF he is even traded at all -- still think clippers make the "most" sense).

yeah he grew up in Baltimore but the Wizards dont have anything to offer him especially when you gut the team of talent

Knicks, Lakers, Clippers maybe Bulls, Heat or Mavericks

those are probably the only options

I still think he has a great playoff run, we fall to Indiana in Round 2, Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round, Blake doesn't show up, Paul and Doc insist on getting Melo and the deal is done like that

getting rid of beal would be a big loss, as would the first potentially...but losing porter isnt something to hold up a trade like this. pairing melo with a legit point guard (let alone a point guard who is a) a real point guard b) can get into the paint at will and c) is a very nice defender) would help him a lot. not sure how they would round out the team, but its a nice 1-2 punch to start with.

i honestly think the only two teams he would be willing to play for, or wants to play for, are the knicks and maybe the clippers. everything else is in the same boat...and yes, i am including the lakers in there. it would be really difficult to get melo to the bulls...unless a trade is done during the season...in which case, i go for the kings ransom.

[Mars_Blackmon]

isnt he from the dmv area?

remember... this team traded a first to get gortat (thought it wasnt a bad trade at the time...now, not so sure - guess we'll see where the pick lands). dont think they would want to trade beal, but, again, if they dont want to rebuild (or want a cheap out of a rebuild), this is their shot (if melo re ups with them). as for porter - hes been garbage this year. wasnt a huge fan of his last year...thought he would be at best a tayshaun prince level player.

that being said...i still dont see melo going to another team in a 1:1 deal (IF he is even traded at all -- still think clippers make the "most" sense).

yeah he grew up in Baltimore but the Wizards dont have anything to offer him especially when you gut the team of talent

Knicks, Lakers, Clippers maybe Bulls, Heat or Mavericks

those are probably the only options

I still think he has a great playoff run, we fall to Indiana in Round 2, Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round, Blake doesn't show up, Paul and Doc insist on getting Melo and the deal is done like that

getting rid of beal would be a big loss, as would the first potentially...but losing porter isnt something to hold up a trade like this. pairing melo with a legit point guard (let alone a point guard who is a) a real point guard b) can get into the paint at will and c) is a very nice defender) would help him a lot. not sure how they would round out the team, but its a nice 1-2 punch to start with.

i honestly think the only two teams he would be willing to play for, or wants to play for, are the knicks and maybe the clippers. everything else is in the same boat...and yes, i am including the lakers in there. it would be really difficult to get melo to the bulls...unless a trade is done during the season...in which case, i go for the kings ransom.

yeah at this point I see it as Knicks or Clippers with a few long shots

[gr3en]

I've almost come to terms that this year is a lost cause. Three moves I think could help ease us into a rebuilding phase would be the following:

1. Trade Carmelo Anthony and Beno Udrih to Houston for Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Omri Casspi, Future pick/s

Assumption that Houston would be interested in forming a new Big 3 Carmelo-Harden-Dwight.

2. Trade JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Kenyon Martin to Oklahoma City for Kendrick Perkins.

Assumption that OKC would benefit from added depth at the PG/SG spots with the loss of Westbrook.

3. Trade Tyson Chandler and Metta World Peace to Portland for Thomas Robinson, Joel Freeland, Dorrell Wright and Victor Claver

Assumption that Portland would automatically upgrade their defense at the expense of some expendable pieces.

Knick Lineup after:

Asik / Freeland / Perkins
Bargnani / Robinson / Amare
Shumpert / Casspi / Claver
Hardaway / Wright
Lin / Prigioni / Murry

[navyblue]

^^^ i see 1 and 3 as possible. 2 is unlikely because they like the grit of perkins and have to deal with howard in the playoffs potentially. and they reggie jackson and lamb and etc to hold out until westbrook comes back. plus the contracts of smith felton are longer than of perkins.

[bkknicks19]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6394713

4 team trade between Knicks, Boston, Houston and Toronto. There is a similar scenario that works in the trade checker for a 3 team trade between the knicks, boston and houston, and a scenario between just boston and knicks that could net us rondo. I can't account for draft picks as I don't know how to attribute the appropriate value to them to see how it would work but this could be a possible base to start from. I'm sure draft picks and/or cash can supplant certain players in these scenarios depending on how you view the value of a player like MWP, or john salmons, etc. I'm also sure some would say Shump has to be involved in the trade scenario so please note that if you replace mwp with shump, the trades still work, I'm simply choosing not to involve shump because I'd rather keep him. I'm also guessing that houston wouldn't mind having mwp back since he was very successful there and they believe they are competing for a championship, which mwp has won already. Fairly certain MWP wouldn't mind being in Houston either since he contemplated going there when he was released by the lakers. Also think Toronto gets to tank properly with this trade because JR will be unhappy and certainly underperform, while moving derozan off the books and getting what some believe to be a good to great young center in asik. They could sell JR to the fans as a more complete derozan even if they believe he'll play like crap. Bottom line is there is a way to get rondo that I don't think is as far fetched as some may believe. I'd be interested to see how ppl may modify this scenario I put out too. Thoughts?

Line up:

Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Lee/Hardaway/Murry
Melo/Shump/Brewer
Bass/Kmart
Tyson/Stat/Tyler/Aldrich

[TheProfessor]

We'd rather have DeSecond option than DeSpliff, no JR to toronto.

[johnnywishbone]

I think Melo is about as hard to trade. What can you get from the Clippers or Lakers for Melo?

It's not easy to get a trade that works. And don't start with Blake because that's not happening.

But my favorite...

Melo for Beal, Porter, filler + 1st I think works for everyone (if Melo wants to leave and wants the max).

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

Why are you so defensive about Melo?

It makes sense for the Wizards because they would be getting an all-star in Melo to pair with their all-star in John Wall.

And Melo would get off a team that isn't going anywhere and go to a team that would be really good. They would definitely be in the hunt for an ECF appearance.

As far as the Clippers - show us a trade that works. But I can almost guarantee that Blake Griffin is not touchable. So show us a trade that works that doesn't include him.

[bkknicks19]

We'd rather have DeSecond option than DeSpliff, no JR to toronto.

toronto front office wouldnt be doin it cuz you or anyone actually wants jr. its done to help toronto tank and get a high draft pick that could potentially secure them wiggins. derozan is an expensive player with a lenghy contract and they reportedly wouldnt mind moving him.

[Mars_Blackmon]

I think Melo is about as hard to trade. What can you get from the Clippers or Lakers for Melo?

It's not easy to get a trade that works. And don't start with Blake because that's not happening.

But my favorite...

Melo for Beal, Porter, filler + 1st I think works for everyone (if Melo wants to leave and wants the max).

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

Why are you so defensive about Melo?

It makes sense for the Wizards because they would be getting an all-star in Melo to pair with their all-star in John Wall.

And Melo would get off a team that isn't going anywhere and go to a team that would be really good. They would definitely be in the hunt for an ECF appearance.

As far as the Clippers - show us a trade that works. But I can almost guarantee that Blake Griffin is not touchable. So show us a trade that works that doesn't include him.

not defensive, its the way he's beat up by the fans and media and then we try and sell him on teams

OMG Melo sucks, he's a chucker, he doesn't play D, ISO-ball, no ball movement, make your teammates better

and then

trade him for youth and picks

that doesn't make any sense, you cant break a guy down like that and expect all those assets and value in return

thats why the Knicks are always getting raped, we're either desperate or stupid most of the time

as for LAC, I doubt we see anything til the playoffs, if the Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round I think they make a move then

[TheProfessor]

We'd rather have DeSecond option than DeSpliff, no JR to toronto.

toronto front office wouldnt be doin it cuz you or anyone actually wants jr. its done to help toronto tank and get a high draft pick that could potentially secure them wiggins. derozan is an expensive player with a lenghy contract and they reportedly wouldnt mind moving him.

It was a was so reported that the asking price was surprisingly high, not in the JR way.

[BNB]

Has anyone thought about trying to get the pick back from Denver? Maybe help them unload a couple bad contracts:

Danilo Gallinari, JaVale McGee, and NYK 2014 1st round pick

for

Carmelo Anthony, Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr.

Denver: Gallinari had a pretty serious injury and McGee is crap, and they both have big contracts that last for 2 more years after this season. They save a ton of money when Melo opts out this summer.

New York: Gallinari will miss most of the rest of the season and McGee is crap, so they'll firmly be in the running for the worst record in the league. Great shot at a star in the draft.

[Marty McFly]

Has anyone thought about trying to get the pick back from Denver? Maybe help them unload a couple bad contracts:

Danilo Gallinari, JaVale McGee, and NYK 2014 1st round pick

for

Carmelo Anthony, Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr.

Denver: Gallinari had a pretty serious injury and McGee is crap, and they both have big contracts that last for 2 more years after this season. They save a ton of money when Melo opts out this summer.

New York: Gallinari will miss most of the rest of the season and McGee is crap, so they'll firmly be in the running for the worst record in the league. Great shot at a star in the draft.

i have i don't think that's a trade the knicks make at all though.

[Meat]

Has anyone thought about trying to get the pick back from Denver? Maybe help them unload a couple bad contracts:

Danilo Gallinari, JaVale McGee, and NYK 2014 1st round pick

for

Carmelo Anthony, Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr.

Denver: Gallinari had a pretty serious injury and McGee is crap, and they both have big contracts that last for 2 more years after this season. They save a ton of money when Melo opts out this summer.

New York: Gallinari will miss most of the rest of the season and McGee is crap, so they'll firmly be in the running for the worst record in the league. Great shot at a star in the draft.

dolan would rather get bukakked by an alabama chain gang rather than admit he made a mistake with melo(he didnt)

[johnnywishbone]

why would Melo wanna play in DC and they aren't trading Beal, Porter and a 1st

not to mention this fan base has made every fan base hate Melo so why would the fans even want him

Why are you so defensive about Melo?

It makes sense for the Wizards because they would be getting an all-star in Melo to pair with their all-star in John Wall.

And Melo would get off a team that isn't going anywhere and go to a team that would be really good. They would definitely be in the hunt for an ECF appearance.

As far as the Clippers - show us a trade that works. But I can almost guarantee that Blake Griffin is not touchable. So show us a trade that works that doesn't include him.

not defensive, its the way he's beat up by the fans and media and then we try and sell him on teams

OMG Melo sucks, he's a chucker, he doesn't play D, ISO-ball, no ball movement, make your teammates better

and then

trade him for youth and picks

that doesn't make any sense, you cant break a guy down like that and expect all those assets and value in return

thats why the Knicks are always getting raped, we're either desperate or stupid most of the time

as for LAC, I doubt we see anything til the playoffs, if the Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round I think they make a move then

I'm not sure about this but I don't think we can sign and trade Melo this Summer? So I think if we wanted to trade Melo to the Clippers we would have to do it before the trade deadline.

[Mars_Blackmon]

Why are you so defensive about Melo?

It makes sense for the Wizards because they would be getting an all-star in Melo to pair with their all-star in John Wall.

And Melo would get off a team that isn't going anywhere and go to a team that would be really good. They would definitely be in the hunt for an ECF appearance.

As far as the Clippers - show us a trade that works. But I can almost guarantee that Blake Griffin is not touchable. So show us a trade that works that doesn't include him.

not defensive, its the way he's beat up by the fans and media and then we try and sell him on teams

OMG Melo sucks, he's a chucker, he doesn't play D, ISO-ball, no ball movement, make your teammates better

and then

trade him for youth and picks

that doesn't make any sense, you cant break a guy down like that and expect all those assets and value in return

thats why the Knicks are always getting raped, we're either desperate or stupid most of the time

as for LAC, I doubt we see anything til the playoffs, if the Clippers fail to get out the 1st Round I think they make a move then

I'm not sure about this but I don't think we can sign and trade Melo this Summer? So I think if we wanted to trade Melo to the Clippers we would have to do it before the trade deadline.

we cant acquire a signed and traded player but we can sign and a trade a player and acquire salary back