red96 wrote:uga_dawgs24 wrote:It has been mostly Houston fans who have been providing the push for Millsap/Asik deal. Atlanta fans could care less.
The problem is Asik is not a double double big right now. He is a 4/7 big who is injured and who isn't happy with his role on the team. You are not going to get healthy, happy, double double value for Asik right now...because that isn't him.
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Your putting words in my mouth again. I didn't say how much i thought he was worth, just more than what was offered in that trade.
The trade we're discussing isn't made by a Houston fan and this isn't really a Milsap for Asik swap. No Milsap for Asik trades made by Houston fans offered a lot of additional value with Asik because no one felt his impact would be overly significant. I wouldn't want to add a lot of additional value for a Milsap for Jones trade. Even though Milsap is an upgrade, he simply doesn't move the dail enough for the Rockets.
I'd like Milsap or any other PF in his tier on the Rockets but he's not worth that price for Houston. Its as simple as that. Imo the best thing about Milsap for the Rockets is he's expiring next year. Milsaps more valuable to the Hawks than he would be to the Rockets. Lets just leave it at that.
And stop the bs. Asik has proven that when given starter minutes HE IS A DOUBLE DOUBLE Center. By your logic, Mike James was an all-star when he was in TOR and Milsap would better than Bosh right now. And so i guess when Milsap stats pad up he'll be on par with Griffen, Dirk, ect. But in reallity, he'll still be the same Milsap he's been for years. He's just going to be padding stats on a average-below average talent team since Horford is out.
The Rockets PF spot isn't a priority right now. But aquiring a quality starting 5 is a priority for the Hawks. Whether its Asik, Gortat, or whoever, the Hawks NEED one. That cannot be denied.
First off, you came onto the Hawks board to comment on our trade thread. As is with most of the team boards, it is a place for fans of that team to discuss deals prevalent to that team, not a place for fans of other teams to come and say how ridiculous a trade is.
I think the big difference is you see it as a Jones for Millsap deal with Asik added. We see it as a Asik for Millsap deal with Jones added.
Atlanta does need a center, but Asik isn't playing now so how does that makes us better? We would be downgrading from Millsap to Jones anyway.
You can say Millsap will be padding stats, but what is to say that Jones and or Asik are not padding stats when playing against Howard? They would be reaping the benefit of playing against a guy who takes teams sending a man over. If Millsap can be padding stats against double teams, then more power to him as a player.
If you want to say that in Asik's per-36, he still wouldn't be a double-double center. You can't say that he is worth a lot since when he is healthy, not in the dog house, and not pissed at the team he is a double-double player...that's not how value works. It is apparent that his value is no where near what Morey thought it was since he is still on the Rockets. Ferry even came out and said that Houston is trying to overvalue Asik.
Atlanta could use a center, but trading Millsap for one is very counterproductive now. It makes even less since for Atlanta to also trading their center prospect in a deal since Bebe could be the starting center in a couple of years. Just because you have never heard of him doesn't mean he has no value. I've been following prospects for several years (in part of simulation basketball leagues) and Bebe has always been one who was a well-known international prospect.
