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TWO: Tank World Order

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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1121 » by Kabatnaz » Thu Jan 2, 2014 1:30 am

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CaseySmalls wrote:I'm all for playoff ball, but I'm afraid we still won't be seeing meaningful playoff ball for quite a while - where the team has a legitimate shot at winning a round or two, as well as returning to the playoffs the following season.

This year we may appear to be out of no man's land, but next year...
- The tanking teams in the east won't be tanking anymore; instead, they'll have rookie studs and FA's signed with their cap space.
- Lowry will either walk for nothing, or will be overpaid, limiting our ability to sign other free agents.
- Our amazing luck with avoiding injuries will presumably run out and we'll be playing games without key guys.

Once those all happen, I think lots of currently bad team will surpass us and we'll be right back to the 9th seed, and won't have enough tradeable assets or cap space to improve. Unless Masai can trade Landry Fields for a superstar or Drake can convince one to sign for the MLE, this team pretty much is what it is - a sub-.500 team with little room for improvement the way it's currently built.


"Meaningful playoff basketball"

What does that even mean? Tank or no-tank; there is no proof that either method is critical to playoff success.

You play to win the game.

As I said right after using the term "meaningful playoff ball", I was referring to it as "where the team has a legitimate shot at winning a round or two, as well as returning to the playoffs the following season". That, rather than simply a brief playoff appearance as the doormat for dancing Lebron, is what I think management should strive for.

Whether or not you believe in tanking, when your current core is at its ceiling and doesn't have the tradeable assets, draft picks, or cap space to improve, you really only have two options: keep adding band-aids and try to get the 8th seed (Bryan Colangelo anyone?), or unload guys and rebuild upon a stronger foundation.

Personally I think that once half the conference stops tanking, Lowry walks or gets a fat extension, and our injury luck runs out, this team will be hovering around the 9th seed until they start over with a new core. I think that is why some members here, myself included, aren't overly excited about this team and its quest for a .500 record.



The problem is that you're advocating a tank based on assumptions (injuries, extensions, ceilings). Fact of the matter is that this team is currently a playoff team and if this team were to tank hard this year; it would be a 3 year process. This tema is going to lose rounds in the playoffs, but that's part of developing talent an learning.

You cant win if you base your franchise on losing.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1122 » by Kabatnaz » Thu Jan 2, 2014 1:36 am

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My Boy Derozan wrote:I am sorry to say the tank is over. So lets just get behind the team and support them to their pointless pursuit to the 2nd round this year and years of treadmilling.

Maybe Masai can recreate a 57 win team that gets eliminated in the 1st round #reasonhewonEOTY....

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Tanking doesn't guarantee a championship


I agree. Tanking doesnt guarantee a championship. You know what else doest guarantee a championship? The current make up of the team or derozan as our number one option. At least with the draft, theres the POTENTIAL to getting a franchise player, which increases the odds of POTENTIALLY winning a title Whereas right now with the make up of the team and core the potential is much much lower.

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This team is in the playoffs. You have greater POTENTIAL to win a Championship if you're in the playoffs. You have zero POTENTIAL if you're not.

You play to win the game.'
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1123 » by Kabatnaz » Thu Jan 2, 2014 1:44 am

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I agree. Tanking doesnt guarantee a championship. You know what else doest guarantee a championship? The current make up of the team or derozan as our number one option. At least with the draft, theres the POTENTIAL to getting a franchise player, which increases the odds of POTENTIALLY winning a title Whereas right now with the make up of the team and core the potential is much much lower.

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This team is in the playoffs. You have greater POTENTIAL to win a Championship if you're in the playoffs. You have zero POTENTIAL if you're not.

You play to win the game.'

That's complete garbage man.. You'd have to be so naive to actually think this, especially with this squad.

We aren't skilled enough for the 'playoff experience' to actually matter.


Right now this team is stuck six and at the line against a 25-5 basketball team. Evaluation is a never ending process and this team isn't tanking.

I'd say just deal with it.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1124 » by Sheldon Cooper » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:12 am

@Kabatnaz - no need to argue with these guys - they derive their excitement from the draft and the uncertainty rather than objective team evaluation. Obviously this is a decent team, no need to tear it down for a high draft pick that may or may not work out but good luck trying to explain that to people. The team we are playing tonight has how many top-5 picks on their roster?
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1125 » by J-Roc » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:19 am

Kabatnaz wrote:
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This team is in the playoffs. You have greater POTENTIAL to win a Championship if you're in the playoffs. You have zero POTENTIAL if you're not.

You play to win the game.'

That's complete garbage man.. You'd have to be so naive to actually think this, especially with this squad.

We aren't skilled enough for the 'playoff experience' to actually matter.


Right now this team is stuck six and at the line against a 25-5 basketball team. Evaluation is a never ending process and this team isn't tanking.

I'd say just deal with it.


For those who believe. What if Masai could just sign guys like Salmons and Vasquez and of course Lowry, for a couple more years and keep this core going. Would you sign up for it? Oh and off course Casey, too.

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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1126 » by Kabatnaz » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:26 am

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Wo1verine wrote:That's complete garbage man.. You'd have to be so naive to actually think this, especially with this squad.

We aren't skilled enough for the 'playoff experience' to actually matter.


Right now this team is stuck six and at the line against a 25-5 basketball team. Evaluation is a never ending process and this team isn't tanking.

I'd say just deal with it.


For those who believe. What if Masai could just sign guys like Salmons and Vasquez and of course Lowry, for a couple more years and keep this core going. Would you sign up for it? Oh and off course Casey, too.

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It's up to MU to evaluate and determine what's best for this team. What are his options right now? This team needs to lose something like 40 more games to be the worst team in the league and that's not happening; so what now?

Win and evaluate at the end of the season .
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1127 » by changes » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:31 am

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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1128 » by Turbo_Zone » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:31 am

Tanking is still a great way to get a star player.

The Raptors winning a championship this year doesn't even change that point.

In fairness, I don't think anybody on either side predicted this though!

What the heck are we watching?!?!?
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1129 » by suntzuballin » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:31 am

just distrot right now..
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1130 » by Badonkadonk » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:34 am

suntzuballin wrote:just distrot right now..

If you honestly have feelings of mourning after a game like this... just get out.

Better - play Jack Armstrong's dissertation on how Indiana was built at the end of the game over and over.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1131 » by Snakeyes » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:34 am

The dream is dead :(
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1132 » by MA29 » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:36 am

Treadmill team. lol.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1134 » by Wo1verine » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:38 am

Kabatnaz wrote:
J-Roc wrote:
Kabatnaz wrote:
Right now this team is stuck six and at the line against a 25-5 basketball team. Evaluation is a never ending process and this team isn't tanking.

I'd say just deal with it.


For those who believe. What if Masai could just sign guys like Salmons and Vasquez and of course Lowry, for a couple more years and keep this core going. Would you sign up for it? Oh and off course Casey, too.

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It's up to MU to evaluate and determine what's best for this team. What are his options right now? This team needs to lose something like 40 more games to be the worst team in the league and that's not happening; so what now?

Win and evaluate at the end of the season .

Who said anything about be the worst team in the league? That never had to happen.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1135 » by Darkseid » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:39 am

Their bodies are everywhere!
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1136 » by Kabatnaz » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:40 am

Wo1verine wrote:
Kabatnaz wrote:
J-Roc wrote:
For those who believe. What if Masai could just sign guys like Salmons and Vasquez and of course Lowry, for a couple more years and keep this core going. Would you sign up for it? Oh and off course Casey, too.

Sent using the RealGM mobile app.


It's up to MU to evaluate and determine what's best for this team. What are his options right now? This team needs to lose something like 40 more games to be the worst team in the league and that's not happening; so what now?

Win and evaluate at the end of the season .

Who said anything about be the worst team in the league? That never had to happen.


It's a lottery. The worse you are, the better the odds. There is no strategic tanking process. If you commit to the tank, you gotta go hard.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1137 » by suntzuballin » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:46 am

Badonkadonk wrote:
suntzuballin wrote:just distrot right now..

If you honestly have feelings of mourning after a game like this... just get out.

Better - play Jack Armstrong's dissertation on how Indiana was built at the end of the game over and over.

i dont mind if they win buddy you must be a mainstream fan our something.
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1138 » by Yorkex » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:47 am

Haii guys ! Ross just wants to know how his assz taste ?
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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1139 » by raptorstime » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:47 am

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Re: TWO: Tank World Order 

Post#1140 » by Yorkex » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:47 am

Haii guys ! Ross just wants to know how his assz taste ?

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