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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1261 » by KembaWalker » Thu Jan 2, 2014 9:06 pm

countryboi wrote:last week everyone wanted zeller to start over mcbob now zeller is worse than trash....this is what life is like as a bobcats fan


I didn't think that. He's been pretty consistently horrible for me all year. His "good" games have been flukey...statistical anomaly of hitting a jumpshot he normally makes 30% of the time a few times a game plus a couple gimme dunks. I have yet to see anything from him excites me about the player he could become. Like I said, he's way more than a jumpshot away from being a decent player. McBob has his own huge flaws but he's 100x better as a player than Zeller for me. People who want Zeller to start over McBob are the pro tankers I assume
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1262 » by JDR720 » Thu Jan 2, 2014 9:08 pm

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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1263 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Jan 2, 2014 9:16 pm

countryboi wrote:last week everyone wanted zeller to start over mcbob now zeller is worse than trash....this is what life is like as a bobcats fan


The same people that wanted Zeller to start over McRoberts a week ago are the same people who are defending him from criticism after shooting 2 of 20 the last 4 games. That's not 'everyone'
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1264 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jan 3, 2014 1:13 am

I think Zeller will be a good pro, that said, I simply cannot defend him the way he's been playing.
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Post#1265 » by HornetJail » Fri Jan 3, 2014 1:23 am

Sik Infant wrote:I think Zeller will be a good pro, that said, I simply cannot defend him the way he's been playing.

I think you've summed up what everyone has been trying to say lately.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1266 » by JDuaneWayne » Fri Jan 3, 2014 1:55 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I think Zeller will be a good pro, that said, I simply cannot defend him the way he's been playing.

I think you've summed up what everyone has been trying to say lately.


This I can agree with
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Post#1267 » by Eoghan » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:59 am

Okay, I think his form is officially worse than MKG's. You can't shoot consistently in a game shooting beside your head, you can't aim that way. Unless instead of having a dominant eye Zeller has a dominant ear he sees out of.
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Post#1268 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:11 am

BrotherDave wrote:Okay, I think his form is officially worse than MKG's. You can't shoot consistently in a game shooting beside your head, you can't aim that way. Unless instead of having a dominant eye Zeller has a dominant ear he sees out of.


MKG is actually hitting those shots when he's played.

I don't think Zeller's form is worse but his execution is for sure.
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Post#1269 » by hotrod » Fri Jan 3, 2014 2:10 pm

Bring on the Cody bashing, or should I say continue. If Zach Lowe says it....


@ZachLowe_NBA: Yeah, Cody Zeller's just a rookie, but a big man getting rotation minutes and shooting 36% is a problem. Still looks overwhelmed.
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Post#1270 » by catch20two » Fri Jan 3, 2014 2:28 pm

Give him time for Pete's sake!!! He's only one-third thru his 1st season!!!
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Post#1271 » by BigSlam » Fri Jan 3, 2014 3:31 pm

Who do you think owns these monthly split stats?

November
22:11mpg
3.3fgm of 6.0fga (55.0%)
1.4ftm of 1.8fta (77.8%)
4.7rpg
0.8bpg
3.0fpg
8.0ppg

December
13:41mpg
1.9fgm of 4.5fga (43.1%)
0.9ftm of 1.2fta (80.0%)
3.0rpg
0.7bpg
2.0fpg
4.8ppg

January
21:23mpg
3.5fgm of 7.3fta (48.0%)
1.3ftm of 1.9fta (66.7%)
3.9rpg
1.2bpg
3.1fpg
8.3ppg
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1272 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jan 3, 2014 3:55 pm

BigSlam wrote:Who do you think owns these monthly split stats?

November
22:11mpg
3.3fgm of 6.0fga (55.0%)
1.4ftm of 1.8fta (77.8%)
4.7rpg
0.8bpg
3.0fpg
8.0ppg

December
13:41mpg
1.9fgm of 4.5fga (43.1%)
0.9ftm of 1.2fta (80.0%)
3.0rpg
0.7bpg
2.0fpg
4.8ppg

January
21:23mpg
3.5fgm of 7.3fta (48.0%)
1.3ftm of 1.9fta (66.7%)
3.9rpg
1.2bpg
3.1fpg
8.3ppg


Rookie LaMarcus Aldridge...

...but can we stop this comparison? For all that we might as well compare rookie Kemba Walker to rookie Tony Parker & rookie MKG to rookie Scottie Pippen, and those would be a whole lot closer. Actually, rookie Kemba Walker had a better rookie season than rookie Tony Parker in every individual statistic & aspect except FG%. Cho put his foot in his mouth with this comparison
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1273 » by BigSlam » Fri Jan 3, 2014 4:08 pm

It's perspective.
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Post#1274 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jan 3, 2014 4:26 pm

I also don't understand what would qualify Cody Zeller, or even LaMarcus Aldridge in this matter, as a stretch 4 in Cho's eyes. From my recollection of watching basketball, the PF position has always been able to make jump shots from the top of the key at a 15-18 ft distance (i.e. Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, James Worthy, Horace Grant, etc.)
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Post#1275 » by HornetJail » Fri Jan 3, 2014 4:34 pm

At this point I have no idea what Cody is. We all want him to be Aldridge-lite, but that is really looking like a major stretch right now. If Cody bulks up (and he really needs to if he wants to be anything at all in the NBA) he could become a David Lee-type player, but better on defense and less offensively.

Watching David Lee and the Warriors, I really have to wonder how Cody would look on that team. Certainly he'd be much better there than on this team, and the main reason is the outside shooting. I can't stress enough how badly we need three-point shooters. Steph and Klay spread the floor so much that even David Lee can look like an All-Star. On the Bobcats, Lee's shooting percentage would plummet because teams would collapse on him, just like they already do to Jefferson. We won't win another 14 games all season until we get shooters.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1276 » by BeesWax » Fri Jan 3, 2014 4:42 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:At this point I have no idea what Cody is. We all want him to be Aldridge-lite, but that is really looking like a major stretch right now. If Cody bulks up (and he really needs to if he wants to be anything at all in the NBA) he could become a David Lee-type player, but better on defense and less offensively.

Watching David Lee and the Warriors, I really have to wonder how Cody would look on that team. Certainly he'd be much better there than on this team, and the main reason is the outside shooting. I can't stress enough how badly we need three-point shooters. Steph and Klay spread the floor so much that even David Lee can look like an All-Star. On the Bobcats, Lee's shooting percentage would plummet because teams would collapse on him, just like they already do to Jefferson. We won't win another 14 games all season until we get shooters.


I think that problem hurts Jefferson way more than Cody. He gets plenty of single coverage and wide open looks. He just can't finish like Lee can. Even in college Lee had a more well rounded game than Zeller. Lee, although he may not test like it, looked like a more athletic guy why playing in college as well. Cody looks like a fish out of water when he is outside of 5 feet and he has to play out there. Hopefully in time he can completely rework his entire game and become serviceable, but to blame it on anything but his current lack of skills for his position is wrong.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1277 » by HornetJail » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:04 pm

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Biz Gilwalker wrote:At this point I have no idea what Cody is. We all want him to be Aldridge-lite, but that is really looking like a major stretch right now. If Cody bulks up (and he really needs to if he wants to be anything at all in the NBA) he could become a David Lee-type player, but better on defense and less offensively.

Watching David Lee and the Warriors, I really have to wonder how Cody would look on that team. Certainly he'd be much better there than on this team, and the main reason is the outside shooting. I can't stress enough how badly we need three-point shooters. Steph and Klay spread the floor so much that even David Lee can look like an All-Star. On the Bobcats, Lee's shooting percentage would plummet because teams would collapse on him, just like they already do to Jefferson. We won't win another 14 games all season until we get shooters.


I think that problem hurts Jefferson way more than Cody. He gets plenty of single coverage and wide open looks. He just can't finish like Lee can. Even in college Lee had a more well rounded game than Zeller. Lee, although he may not test like it, looked like a more athletic guy why playing in college as well. Cody looks like a fish out of water when he is outside of 5 feet and he has to play out there. Hopefully in time he can completely rework his entire game and become serviceable, but to blame it on anything but his current lack of skills for his position is wrong.

Less defense means less Cody getting knocked around in the paint. Spacing helps everyone.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1278 » by BeesWax » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:09 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:At this point I have no idea what Cody is. We all want him to be Aldridge-lite, but that is really looking like a major stretch right now. If Cody bulks up (and he really needs to if he wants to be anything at all in the NBA) he could become a David Lee-type player, but better on defense and less offensively.

Watching David Lee and the Warriors, I really have to wonder how Cody would look on that team. Certainly he'd be much better there than on this team, and the main reason is the outside shooting. I can't stress enough how badly we need three-point shooters. Steph and Klay spread the floor so much that even David Lee can look like an All-Star. On the Bobcats, Lee's shooting percentage would plummet because teams would collapse on him, just like they already do to Jefferson. We won't win another 14 games all season until we get shooters.


I think that problem hurts Jefferson way more than Cody. He gets plenty of single coverage and wide open looks. He just can't finish like Lee can. Even in college Lee had a more well rounded game than Zeller. Lee, although he may not test like it, looked like a more athletic guy why playing in college as well. Cody looks like a fish out of water when he is outside of 5 feet and he has to play out there. Hopefully in time he can completely rework his entire game and become serviceable, but to blame it on anything but his current lack of skills for his position is wrong.

Less defense means less Cody getting knocked around in the paint. Spacing helps everyone.


My point was outside of getting pinned on a driving dunk attempt Cody does not venture into the paint and post up. He does not have the length to pull that off nor does he have the bulk to make up for it. So shooting won't solve Cody's ills but will help Jefferson. Cody is shooting and driving more right now. Spacing helps drives but his problem has not been spacing at this point it is inability to play to his size. I agree with you that we need shooting but the only shooting you can blame his performance on is his own. At this point unless we can pull a young shooter off someone I say stand pat and see what happens in the draft then use the Gordon money to target someone.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1279 » by catch20two » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:33 pm

I wish I could vehemently defend Zeller like I do MKG and Kemba but he hasn't gave me enough reason to.
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Re: Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread 

Post#1280 » by Eoghan » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:10 pm

hotrod wrote:Bring on the Cody bashing, or should I say continue. If Zach Lowe says it....


@ZachLowe_NBA: Yeah, Cody Zeller's just a rookie, but a big man getting rotation minutes and shooting 36% is a problem. Still looks overwhelmed.

36% as a 7 footer are bust level numbers. Hopefully this is the worst Zeller we'll ever see and he ups his skills to at least resemble a 1st round pick.

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