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Young_Star11 wrote:Enjoy watching him play. Doesn't have the scoring instincts of a Durant but I'm in awe of just about everything else.
Ayt wrote:Damon_3388 wrote:Ayt wrote:In terms of ability, I think Giannis is a much better ball handler which gives him a higher ceiling offensively. That is already showing up in his ability to drive and finish or draw fouls.
I don't really think that he's a "much better" ball handler than Batum.
Yeah. After thinking about it more, that isn't true. Batum is a very good ball handler. His problem offensively is that he just doesn't attack enough.
bballcool34 wrote:^youre a Bucks fan now?
That's dedication
lilojmayo wrote:Ayt wrote:Damon_3388 wrote:
I don't really think that he's a "much better" ball handler than Batum.
Yeah. After thinking about it more, that isn't true. Batum is a very good ball handler. His problem offensively is that he just doesn't attack enough.
Giannis defensive potential makes him far far far far better than Batum will dream of being even if he isn't " finished product yet".
Giannis is already a better rebounder , shot blocker, and ball handler than Batum might I add at the age of 19.
The real question is how will Giannis offensive game develop, he has a solid jumper which he will improve upon big time. Then after that he needs to build a skillset
D Nice wrote:Henson and the "Greek Freak" is a NASTY forward combination moving forward. I also like Mayo at the 2 and Brandon Knight is rounding into form. I'd like a more traditional point guard with Mayo/Giannis/Henson but even so that's a pretty talented, athletic, and defense-oriented collection of young players moving forward. Hopefully Milwaukee can keep them together, they might have something special in the making. Ironically all they need is a center and for either Mayo or Knight to develop into a low-tier first option or trade them for one (assuming they don't acquire a legitimate go-to guy at center). Oh, and develop a bench. The only player I like coming off the pine for them is Ilyasova.
Damon_3388 wrote:D Nice wrote:Henson and the "Greek Freak" is a NASTY forward combination moving forward. I also like Mayo at the 2 and Brandon Knight is rounding into form. I'd like a more traditional point guard with Mayo/Giannis/Henson but even so that's a pretty talented, athletic, and defense-oriented collection of young players moving forward. Hopefully Milwaukee can keep them together, they might have something special in the making. Ironically all they need is a center and for either Mayo or Knight to develop into a low-tier first option or trade them for one (assuming they don't acquire a legitimate go-to guy at center). Oh, and develop a bench. The only player I like coming off the pine for them is Ilyasova.
If you're set on Giannis at the three spot, I reckon you're better off trying to develop Middleton as a two than to continue on with Mayo IMO.
mojomarc wrote:lilojmayo wrote:Ayt wrote:
Yeah. After thinking about it more, that isn't true. Batum is a very good ball handler. His problem offensively is that he just doesn't attack enough.
Giannis defensive potential makes him far far far far better than Batum will dream of being even if he isn't " finished product yet".
Giannis is already a better rebounder , shot blocker, and ball handler than Batum might I add at the age of 19.
Giannis rebounds more. Batum also spends about 99% of his time on the perimeter and has his entire career. When you take that into account, they're much closer than you imply. Giannis is better by a little.
As far as blocked shots, Giannis has about the same per36 and book percentages as Batum has had. Once again, Giannis is slightly better stats-wise, but that is compared to Batum, a nearly pure perimeter player.
As a ball handler, Batum as a rookie averaged 11.5% TOV% with 14% usage, compared to 14.8% usage with a 15.8% TOV%.
If Giannis is so massively better, then the stats don't show it. As rookies, they compare pretty closely, and we're still talking about a really small sample size with Giannis. I am not saying he wont be a great player, but again you are denigrating Batum to make claims about Giannis that don't have a lot of backing at this point, and the projecting All-NBA levels for Giannis off of a third of a season of sub-15 PER.The real question is how will Giannis offensive game develop, he has a solid jumper which he will improve upon big time. Then after that he needs to build a skillset
Or he won't significantly improve his jumper and won't really develop further as Milwaukee drafts a top tier player in his draft that takes chances away from him. That is why even dreaming he will be a top-10 player in the league is So ridiculously premature.
Warriors Analyst wrote:I'm a Warriors fan who has been closely following the Bucks over the last few years, in part because for a long time the Bucks took on the ex-nightmares of the Warriors past (Jackson, Maggette, Ellis). I started watching Bucks games this year to watch Giannis and I'm floored by his potential.
I realize that RealGM has seen a lot of hype over incredibly athletic and physically gifted players and many of those players have never turned into anything. I was once riding the Anthony Randolph bandwagon because he showed great physical skills, had occasional glimpses of play-making ability and he had the attitude of wanting to kill on the court.
The thing that separates Giannis from a freak like Randolph is Giannis' feel for the game. Giannis has shown much more awareness and smarts on the court than a guy like Randolph did in a few months than Randolph did in his whole tenure as a Warrior. Randolph used to be known for doing something amazing and then following it up with a bone-headed goal-tend or pass-and-crash on fastbreaks. Giannis on the other hand, shows incredible instincts for the game, incredible body control for someone his age that is still growing into his body, and he's unbelievable to watch in the open court.
I think Giannis' floor is an Andre Igoudala type, and that's if he doesn't even bother to work on his jumpshot over the course of his career. Assuming Giannis gains some pounds as he grows up and doesn't bulk up too much, he'll be able to guard 3 positions and his length will make him a great perimeter defender and shotblocker on the wing. He pushes the ball incredibly well in transition and often outruns point guards, he sees where the open pass is on the fast break, and most impressively, I've seen him get close to the hoop where a defender tries to take a charge and then drop it off to a guy running on the side all without crashing into his defender like many young, athletic players do. Giannis gets to the hoop pretty well for somebody his size in the half-court, often with one or two dribbles into a dunk, and he has a knack for drawing fouls when driving. I think the sky is the limit for Giannis and I for one, would not be surprised to see him as an All-Star by his third or fourth year in the league.
As painful as it may sound, I think most RealGMer's could do with actually sitting down and watching a Bucks game and watching Giannis. He gets frozen out of the offense by Knight/Ridnour and relegated to standing in the corner too often, but you'll see several plays that just blow your mind every night by Giannis, be it on defense as he blocks shots on chasedowns or closing out on jumpshooters, or the way he pushes the ball in transition or just gets to the hoop and dunks effortlessly from places most players can only take lay-ups.
I personally would take Giannis number 1 in last year's draft without thinking twice. I, as a Warriors fan, also think that Giannis is 10 times the prospect that Harrison Barnes is already and is also a much more impactful player than Barnes is, 3 months into his rookie season.
X-Factor wrote:As for the thread Giannis is quickly becoming the most hyped player in the NBA. I've seen comparisons from a better/more rounded Kevin Durant to a better defensive version of Paul George (who is likely to go down as the greatest player in Pacers history). Now I'm seeing Scottie Pippen. I guess its only a matter of time until the LeBron and Dr J comparisons are broken out. I honestly think so many people are getting carried away with his tools and skill set that they forget those aren't the only things that makes you a great (Pippen and KD are top 8 SFs) basketballer.
I'd like to give Giannis time to proven that he can translate into a top calibre perimeter player before I compare him to an all time great. As of right now I see him fitting a more athletic Chandler Parsons mold (who is a solid all round player with all star potential) than a KD/Pippen/George.
Coxy wrote:I think with a PG like George Hill, they'd be better than current.
X-Factor wrote:As for the thread Giannis is quickly becoming the most hyped player in the NBA. I've seen comparisons from a better/more rounded Kevin Durant to a better defensive version of Paul George (who is likely to go down as the greatest player in Pacers history).
X-Factor wrote:we've seen Durant, PG and Pippen
X-Factor wrote:It's sad TBH Giannis is going to be one of the most overhyped players in league history if this continues. His age and his tools has people so warped that they aren't even giving him a chance to develop. Like I said earlier we've seen Durant, PG and Pippen comparisons only a matter of time until the LeBron and Dr J comparisons start rolling out, after that it will probably be Jordan.