2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[RunDogGun]

It's a ways out but after Amar'e expires, assuming we still haven't found a solid PF yet, if he's healthy, would you guys be willing to bring STAT back on the cheap? Maybe as a backup.
It'd be cool for him to make one more run as a Sun.

I don't think he can stay healthy, so I don't see the point.

[NTB]

It's a ways out but after Amar'e expires, assuming we still haven't found a solid PF yet, if he's healthy, would you guys be willing to bring STAT back on the cheap? Maybe as a backup.
It'd be cool for him to make one more run as a Sun.

It would be nice story but i think we shouldn't waste any time by uncertain moves.

[sunsbum]

Have you seen Amare play lately? He looks like he's running on stilts. I dont think he's got too many miles left on that tread.

[Ring_Wanted]

I'd use a combination of Len, picks and the Morrii to get Marc, but not Plumlee. What I want is to pair them, not just an upgrade, as considerable as it may be.

Also would be interested in Amir, but the Raptors keep trying to compete.

[jredsaz]

Yeah, if the Celtics want to make a max offer, good for them. I wouldn't touch that contract. One could link Hayward to Bledsoe since they are both RFA, but the difference is huge. Matching a max offer for Bledsoe can be defended under the light of not only player performance, but also team success, which is not the case with Gordon, in my opinion. Now, McD is rumored to be preparing an unmatchable offer, so maybe we'll need to get ready for it.

Both Bledsoe and Hayward will get the mini-max this off season. When free agency hits their value will rise quickly. I mean we gave Eric Gordon a mini-max offer.

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[TASTIC]

Deng or Thad Young look like the only SFs potentially out there for capspace/picks that I'd like here...

Wilson Chandler would be ideal here and might be available for Len + a pick, he's a definite upgrade over Tucker at SF and we could keep PJ's tenacious D and hustle off the bench.

I'd actually make a play for Faried, we really need a defensive rebounder and he'd be ideal off the bench/as the eventual replacement for Frye at PF - again dangling Len and a pick (or two)

[LV-Suns]

How about we possibly giving Hedo another shot for the vet min, he is about to get waived by Orlando. We are very short on ball handlers if one of Dragic/Bledsoe goes down as we saw yesterday.

[DirtyDez]

Deng or Thad Young look like the only SFs potentially out there for capspace/picks that I'd like here...

Wilson Chandler would be ideal here and might be available for Len + a pick, he's a definite upgrade over Tucker at SF and we could keep PJ's tenacious D and hustle off the bench.

I'd actually make a play for Faried, we really need a defensive rebounder and he'd be ideal off the bench/as the eventual replacement for Frye at PF - again dangling Len and a pick (or two)

Our rebounding is a problem at times but I wouldn't give anything of value for Faried. Thad Young is a far better player and can play two positions. Philly wants to have a fire sale so it probably would take much.

[Ring_Wanted]

Wouldn't go for Faried. He looks like an impending overpay. We already have energy, we need skill.

[Dragic13]

What about something like Frye + picks for Amir Johnson and Len + Green and picks for Hayward and Kanter.

Bledsoe/Tucker
Dragic/Tucker
Hayward/Marcus
Amir/Markieff
Plumlee/Kanter

Or something along those lines. Im not very good at trades so if someone else wants to clean up this trade a bit...

[Revived]

What about something like Frye + picks for Amir Johnson and Len + Green and picks for Hayward and Kanter.

Bledsoe/Tucker
Dragic/Tucker
Hayward/Marcus
Amir/Markieff
Plumlee/Kanter

Or something along those lines. Im not very good at trades so if someone else wants to clean up this trade a bit...

McDonough would be arrested for murder cause the Jazz FO would die laughing.

The Frye + picks for Amir is pretty good though

[Dragic13]

Well i was thinking who knows if the Jazz even want to keep Hayward in RFA since they are tanking so hard so a few more picks a young center in Len who has potential to be better than Kanter. Hasnt Kanter been kinda sucking lately?

[RunDogGun]

Well i was thinking who knows if the Jazz even want to keep Hayward in RFA since they are tanking so hard so a few more picks a young center in Len who has potential to be better than Kanter. Hasnt Kanter been kinda sucking lately?

Could you guys stop saying that teams are tanking, without looking at what they are doing? Utah just won two straight.

[Cutter]

Well i was thinking who knows if the Jazz even want to keep Hayward in RFA since they are tanking so hard so a few more picks a young center in Len who has potential to be better than Kanter. Hasnt Kanter been kinda sucking lately?

Why would Suns trade Len when he has played a grand total of 31 minutes in his NBA career? Why not give him time to recover from his ankle injuries and see what kind of center he can develop into?

[carey]

How about we possibly giving Hedo another shot for the vet min, he is about to get waived by Orlando. We are very short on ball handlers if one of Dragic/Bledsoe goes down as we saw yesterday.

I don't think he has much left in the tank. Hasn't looked good in some time now. The old Hedo would probably fit this offense really well, but our biggest issue isn't offense it's defense and he does nothing but make us worse there.

[Dragic13]

Well i was thinking who knows if the Jazz even want to keep Hayward in RFA since they are tanking so hard so a few more picks a young center in Len who has potential to be better than Kanter. Hasnt Kanter been kinda sucking lately?

Could you guys stop saying that teams are tanking, without looking at what they are doing? Utah just won two straight.

Green font?

[Dragic13]

Well i was thinking who knows if the Jazz even want to keep Hayward in RFA since they are tanking so hard so a few more picks a young center in Len who has potential to be better than Kanter. Hasnt Kanter been kinda sucking lately?

Why would Suns trade Len when he has played a grand total of 31 minutes in his NBA career? Why not give him time to recover from his ankle injuries and see what kind of center he can develop into?

Its not that i want to trade Len but more like i want Hayward? Im all on the let Len get healthy and develop train...but If we can flip him for some valuable assets theres no reason to not pull the trigger.

[MrMiyagi]

Right now I think our team is pretty solid. I think that our two biggest needs this season have a starting 3 man and a back-up center. I like that Len is looking ready to get practicing and get some playing time so it looks like the latter will be taken care of. I love PJ, but we really need someone who can be a threat on offense at the 3. Which is why I think that Hayward would be a great addition to the Suns. I think he'd be able to bring a lot more versatility to what the Suns can throw on the court. He'd be able to play the spot up shooter role that PJ has done when Bledsoe and Dragic are on the court together, he'd help alleviate some of the pressure off Bledsoe when he's running the offense while Dragic sits and he could even be a facilitator if we decide to sit both of those guys for a stint in a game. Plus I think he keeps with the make a push for the playoffs now mentality while still being young enough to keep our upward future trajectory going.

In order to get Hayward, we need to see what he'll bring us in order to determine the overlap. So our rotation would be along the lines of:
Dragic/Ish/Christmas
Bledsoe/Green/Goodwin
Hayward/PJ/Marcus
Frye/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

We now have a glut of guys who play the 2 and 3 spot. So some combination of Marcus, PJ, Green and Goodwin would probably be what we send over to the Jazz along with any number of draft picks. Now, all of these players have been playing well for us and have there own merits to be on this team, but if we get Hayward, we won't have the minutes to let the flourish. PJ has been a fan-favorite and brings tough defense, nice outside shooting and offensive rebounding. Green similarly has brought defense and 3 point shooting (more prolifically than PJ) as well as some great athleticism. Marcus also has been a pretty effective 3 point shooter while providing size and rebounding and has the versatility to play the 3 and 4 given a matchup. And then Archie has shown a great ability to get to the rim and has the most potential out of all these players due to his athleticism and his youth.

It should also be noted that Ish and Christmas are also available, but due to lack of playing time, they aren't being evaluated as bigger assets to be dealt, more like potential sweeteners if Utah like one or are needed to make the money work.

What, in my opinion, makes most sense for Utah to want would be Goodwin. They are a team that is still quite a way off from being formidable. They have a point guard of the future with Burke (21yo), a wing in Burks(22yo), and two young bigs who are still developing with Favors(22yo) and Kanter(21yo). Archie could potentially be a good fit. But there is no guarantee with a 19 year old guard who currently struggles shooting the ball, so they'd probably want another, more consistent player.

To me this comes down to Green and PJ. I think Marcus is a big reason why Markieff has improved across the board this season and we shouldn't mess with their dynamic. Between PJ and Green, I say that Green is probably the guy to give and who Utah would rather have. Losing Hayward, they'd need to replace the scoring and seeing as they have Favors and Kanter who grab the boards (or at least should) they probably need floor spacing more than rebounding. Although PJ has shot a better percentage from 3 (43%), Green has been shooting a good 38% and on more than double the attempts. Plus I think PJ adds some offensive rebounding to our bench that has been lacking.

So the players being exchange would be Green and Goodwin for Hawyard. Now seeing that Utah would probably still feel a little uneasy with this trade, as Hayward has been their best player this year and Archie is pretty unproven and Green may not flourish in Utah, they'll at least want one draft pick, more likely two from us. I would probably give them Minnesota's/Washington's pick (depending on if one is protected) and Indiana's. This gives Utah more assets to bring in young talent or potentially catapult them up a few spots on draft day to grab their target (Jabari Parker anyone?).

Giving us:
Dragic/Ish/Christmas
Bledsoe/PJ
Hayward/Marcus
Frye/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

I know this is a long post but just a few more things to add, we might have to take another player back since we're sending about $1 million more over then we're getting back. Also I know Goodwin is oozing with potential and it's fun to imagine him turning into a superstar (which might happen) but it could also be 5 years before he gets comfortable on the NBA level, making him 24 and off his rookie deal, so we may even be able to get him back if we still like him and he "underachieved". Not to mention we still have potentially 2 draft picks to either make another move or grab some talent in the backend of the draft. Also rotationally, we upgraded a backup 2/3 for a starting 2/3, since Goodwin only gets 10 mpg, keep that in mind. Overall I think this deal would be pretty good for both teams. Thoughts?

[Frank Lee]

Let me summarize ....

Utah trades their best player HEYWARD for NBA pass around first time doing good GREEN, and seldom used propped up on the potential pedestal fan fav homer hopeful GOODWIN

and then to soothe the pain of that potential game changing talent for junk rumpraping we grease them up with some mid to late teen draft picks.

I really think you HeyWORDers are getting delusional with your quest to obtain him.

Sorry Miyagi, but there is no fortune in that cookie.

[MrMiyagi]

Let me summarize ....

Utah trades their best player HEYWARD for NBA pass around first time doing good GREEN, and seldom used propped up on the potential pedestal fan fav homer hopeful GOODWIN

and then to soothe the pain of that potential game changing talent for junk rumpraping we grease them up with some mid to late teen draft picks.

I really think you HeyWORDers are getting delusional with your quest to obtain him.

Sorry Miyagi, but there is no fortune in that cookie.

I think they would since they're thinking we're about to get a top 5 pick and really could use Jabari Parker. Hayward is the best player on their team, but honestly he'd be a second or third best player on a playoff chasing, not even "contending", team (like us). I think they really like Burke, want to resign Favors this off season and they get a crack at one of the most complete players to come out of college in a while. To me Parker is their goal at this point in the season, who would make Hayward redundant, not to mention they'd have to pay him this summer. I think they've got to move him and this way they get better posturing to get their replacement as well as a young asset in Goodwin. Plus, Hayward is having a down year in terms of efficiency.

Just to put some perspective on this, OKC traded away James Harden for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, 2 first and a second. So a stop gap (Green), a young unproven high potential player (Archie) and 2 firsts which are in the same range as our two pick would be. The difference being Utah will get a top 5 pick which they could trade their, lets say by current standings, 4th pick, a 14th and a 30th first rounder to trade up and get the best player in the draft in Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins or Julius Randle or whoever they think is best. Or they keep the 4th, 14th and 30th and bring in three young talents.

EDIT Also, McD just got borderline Allstar Eric Bledsoe for Jared Dudley. I think he could get a better deal than the one I'm offering.