2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt II

[DHodgkins]

I think you have to put Curry in the mix after tonight's game. The Warriors are on a roll and he has MVP-worthy numbers.

Agreed. The Warriors will continue to move up the standings with everyone healthy.

Also, no one in the history of the league has put up his numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=22.9&c2stat=ast_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=9.5&c3stat=trb_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4.7&c4stat=stl_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=1.8&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Such arbitrary stats.
Chris Paul was .1 ppg off with his 22.8/11/5.5/2.8 season.

Yeah him and Magic were so close. Magic was .1 off of spg.

[Jester_]

FYI -- the Warriors when healthy are now 16-3 and a game away from 4th in the West. The Warriors are likely the 3rd best team in the West... maybe 2nd best, with Westbrook gone.

[therealbig3]

Curry is definitely making his name heard now...tbh, the #1 seed is not out of reach.

Say the Warriors make a run and grab the #1 seed, or at least, finish ahead of the Thunder. And Curry keeps up his monstrous production.

Does he have a shot at 1st place MVP votes over Durant or LeBron? Especially if the Thunder still finish worse after Westbrook comes back?

[Woodsanity]

Anyone throw up a little when they see LMA mentioned in top 3 MVP convos? The Blazers are doing great offensively but it has little to do with LMA. Not even sure if he is the most valuable player on his own team. A guy who frequently needs 30+ shots to get 30 ppg isn't all that valuable offensively(I love it when he bails the opposing team out by chucking a bad mid range jumper). He is doing a lot better on the defensive glass but thats about it.

The Blazers are doing great offensively due to ridiculous 3 point shooting and because they draw a lot of fouls. LMA does neither. I am not even sure if he is more valuable than Lillard.

[Moonbeam]

LMA is the reason why Portland has so many open 3s. He is an incredible offensive weapon and his versatility means he can score proficiently from the post, midrange and near the 3-point line.

[Doctor MJ]

LMA is the reason why Portland has so many open 3s. He is an incredible offensive weapon and his versatility means he can score proficiently from the post, midrange and near the 3-point line.

I honestly don't understand how people reach this conclusion. Not saying Aldridge isn't a good player, but it's not like he's anything resembling the scariest scoring threat in the league, it's not like he racks up a ton of assists, and it's not like Aldridge being Aldridge has resulted in anything like this in the past.

Seems to me know matter how you look at it, Aldridge's involvement in those 3's is probably less significant than Stott's.

[BayInferno]

LMA is the reason why Portland has so many open 3s. He is an incredible offensive weapon and his versatility means he can score proficiently from the post, midrange and near the 3-point line.

I honestly don't understand how people reach this conclusion. Not saying Aldridge isn't a good player, but it's not like he's anything resembling the scariest scoring threat in the league, it's not like he racks up a ton of assists, and it's not like Aldridge being Aldridge has resulted in anything like this in the past.

Seems to me know matter how you look at it, Aldridge's involvement in those 3's is probably less significant than Stott's.

He gets doubled often enough where he can kick out to an open player, and a bunch of quick ball movement occurs resulting in an open 3

[Doctor MJ]

LMA is the reason why Portland has so many open 3s. He is an incredible offensive weapon and his versatility means he can score proficiently from the post, midrange and near the 3-point line.

I honestly don't understand how people reach this conclusion. Not saying Aldridge isn't a good player, but it's not like he's anything resembling the scariest scoring threat in the league, it's not like he racks up a ton of assists, and it's not like Aldridge being Aldridge has resulted in anything like this in the past.

Seems to me know matter how you look at it, Aldridge's involvement in those 3's is probably less significant than Stott's.

He gets doubled often enough where he can kick out to an open player, and a bunch of quick ball movement occurs resulting in an open 3

He's hardly the only player capable of such things though. Clearly there's far more going on than his abilities.

[Moonbeam]

I honestly don't understand how people reach this conclusion. Not saying Aldridge isn't a good player, but it's not like he's anything resembling the scariest scoring threat in the league, it's not like he racks up a ton of assists, and it's not like Aldridge being Aldridge has resulted in anything like this in the past.

Seems to me know matter how you look at it, Aldridge's involvement in those 3's is probably less significant than Stott's.

He gets doubled often enough where he can kick out to an open player, and a bunch of quick ball movement occurs resulting in an open 3

He's hardly the only player capable of such things though. Clearly there's far more going on than his abilities.

While that's true, I think you're underrating Aldridge as an offensive weapon - I'd say he's among the top 3 bigs in the NBA in that department. His ability to score from anywhere within the 3-point arc leads to a lot of doubles and therefore open looks on the perimeter. Stotts and Olshey deserve a lot of credit for building a system and team around Aldridge that utilizes his strengths so well. Nate McMillan's offense was eye-gougingly static and Portland didn't have the outside shooting to feed off of Aldridge's inside game before last year.

[Doctor MJ]

While that's true, I think you're underrating Aldridge as an offensive weapon - I'd say he's among the top 3 bigs in the NBA in that department. His ability to score from anywhere within the 3-point arc leads to a lot of doubles and therefore open looks on the perimeter. Stotts and Olshey deserve a lot of credit for building a system and team around Aldridge that utilizes his strengths so well. Nate McMillan's offense was eye-gougingly static and Portland didn't have the outside shooting to feed off of Aldridge's inside game before last year.

Top 3 among bigs? Well, sure that's entirely possible, but why is that a big deal? We're not debating his all-star candidacy here, people are calling him a top tier MVP candidate in a year where there is not a single big among the list of serious candidates (although I wish Love was admittedly).

Perhaps we just have some misunderstanding here, but it feels to me like people are making argument for why Aldridge secretly all this time has been a player of similar caliber to LeBron & Durant, and it feels crazy to me. Being able to hid from mid-range at mediocre efficiency and recognize when it's time to pass is not really that much of an outlier skill to have in this league.

[ADawg22]

While that's true, I think you're underrating Aldridge as an offensive weapon - I'd say he's among the top 3 bigs in the NBA in that department. His ability to score from anywhere within the 3-point arc leads to a lot of doubles and therefore open looks on the perimeter. Stotts and Olshey deserve a lot of credit for building a system and team around Aldridge that utilizes his strengths so well. Nate McMillan's offense was eye-gougingly static and Portland didn't have the outside shooting to feed off of Aldridge's inside game before last year.

Top 3 among bigs? Well, sure that's entirely possible, but why is that a big deal? We're not debating his all-star candidacy here, people are calling him a top tier MVP candidate in a year where there is not a single big among the list of serious candidates (although I wish Love was admittedly).

Perhaps we just have some misunderstanding here, but it feels to me like people are making argument for why Aldridge secretly all this time has been a player of similar caliber to LeBron & Durant, and it feels crazy to me. Being able to hid from mid-range at mediocre efficiency and recognize when it's time to pass is not really that much of an outlier skill to have in this league.

I think it has more to do that he's averaging 23/11 and his team has the best record in the West at the moment. That could (and should) garner some MVP consideration.

[Doctor MJ]

I think it has more to do that he's averaging 23/11 and his team has the best record in the West at the moment. That could (and should) garner some MVP consideration.

"some" I have no problem with.

I have a problem when people think "some" means he should be put in a discussion with LeBron James. There's just a basic sanity check here that if feels like people are missing.

[S Curry]

Sorry Lebron but so far Durant is no 1...

[fallacy]

48 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 50/44/93 shooting. Had 23 points in the 4th and the game winning shot with 4 seconds left.

[Run DLC]

As much as i hate to admit it, but Durant should win it this year. LeBron has played poorly all season with the exception of the 60% from the field, he hasn't been all that great.

[LBJ-ITALY]

As much as i hate to admit it, but Durant should win it this year. LeBron has played poorly all season with the exception of the 60% from the field, he hasn't been all that great.

This! I have never seen LBJ playing so poorly like this year! sadly I think that we are in front of beginning of the decline for him!
It is hard to admitt it but Durant isn't only the MVP of the league but he is also the best player!

[QPR]

As much as i hate to admit it, but Durant should win it this year. LeBron has played poorly all season with the exception of the 60% from the field, he hasn't been all that great.

This! I have never seen LBJ playing so poorly like this year! sadly I think that we are in front of beginning of the decline for him!
It is hard to admitted it but Durant isn't only the MVP of the league but he is also the best player!

He's still shooting a ridiculous clip from the field.

I love KD but he's not going to be the best in the world until he beats LeBron to a ring. Right now you're seeing a guy that hasn't won anything versus a guy who has won four MVPs and two titles, and knows when he needs his energy the most.

The biggest compliment you can give KD is that the gap to the next best is bigger than the gap between he and LeBron.

[Rasho_libre]

Lebron lays and egg and kd has his best and most clutch game of the season. Keeping the lead alive. Kd's been a total killer this year. Tell skip Bayless to put that in his pipe.

[Greyhound]

As much as i hate to admit it, but Durant should win it this year. LeBron has played poorly all season with the exception of the 60% from the field, he hasn't been all that great.

This! I have never seen LBJ playing so poorly like this year! sadly I think that we are in front of beginning of the decline for him!
It is hard to admitted it but Durant isn't only the MVP of the league but he is also the best player!

He's still shooting a ridiculous clip from the field.

I love KD but he's not going to be the best in the world until he beats LeBron to a ring. Right now you're seeing a guy that hasn't won anything versus a guy who has won four MVPs and two titles, and knows when he needs his energy the most.

The biggest compliment you can give KD is that the gap to the next best is bigger thaun the gap between he and LeBron.

Nonsense.

This sounds like the argument being made for Kobe when he was winning titles and James was winning MVP's. Kobe was at the top of the mountain but James was the best player in the game.

That is officially the situation between Durant and James. James rests at the top of the mountain (until dethroned) but Durant is now the best player in the NBA.

[makaveli_99]

Lebron lays and egg and kd has his best and most clutch game of the season. Keeping the lead alive. Kd's been a total killer this year. Tell skip Bayless to put that in his pipe.

agree. probably lebron's worst game, and coincidentally kd's best of the season. For now KD on top. It will still come down to the seeding - i think if OKC stays within a few games of MIA (3-4), KD can win it (did it without westy story). Their head to head match-ups will also play a big role