SAC vs CHA

[KF10]

Ben was his usual scrub 2-8, his story is getting old. I wanted him to be on that MCW/Oladipo/Giannis tier before the season, not a bust so far

I think he is biting off more than he can chew imo.

He's having a difficult time as a starting SG. I would consider benching him but Thornton has been equally bad too. Out of those two players, I stick with McLemore to get dat development progression.

[Silver Man]

Ben was his usual scrub 2-8, his story is getting old. I wanted him to be on that MCW/Oladipo/Giannis tier before the season, not a bust so far

He's a 20 year old who just played in his 32nd game of the year tonight. Is he having some frustrating problems right now? Of course he is. That's going to come especially with the roster we have right now. I feel like Isaiah Thomas is not a good fit as point guard for the type of player Ben is. A full season of Vasquez would have been perfect for Ben. Defensively mclemore has been a mess for the most part but the effort is there and he has shown some life at times. But Malone is known for his defense so hopefully he'll be able to work exclusively with Ben especially during the offseason and we'll have a better roster defensively next season.

[perezident]

We had encouraging steps in the offseason to improve our defense and passing and we traded both away

Bro, come on!! We were a terrible defensive team from the brink! Luc nor Vas was going t change that! Give me a break with this one dumb point you're trying to sell. I mean come on you expect Luc to guard 5 positions one time??

[SacKingZZZ]

We had encouraging steps in the offseason to improve our defense and passing and we traded both away

Yeah, it just sucks that this teams expirings and biggest trade interest at the time was also the only real role players they had. I can't argue going after talent it just sucks that a major strength at PG had to be ripped in half to get that talent. Time to repair that damage that was done in those trades.

[SacKingZZZ]

Ben was his usual scrub 2-8, his story is getting old. I wanted him to be on that MCW/Oladipo/Giannis tier before the season, not a bust so far

I think he is biting off more than he can chew imo.

He's having a difficult time as a starting SG. I would consider benching him but Thornton has been equally bad too. Out of those two players, I stick with McLemore to get dat development progression.

When you stick the same type of players in the same role and they struggle equally as bad, and you know they have talent or have succeeded in the past in another role, it's probably not just the player. Once again, JJ Hickson says hi!

McLemore is a rookie. Rookies are supposed to worry about their own game and their own development first and foremost. Defensive role players are supposed to worry more about the opponents game and how to stop them. Unless you draft a rookie for his ability to defend playing one in that position is usually not a wise move and even then he hasn't got the experience of playing against any of the players he's supposed to stop.

If they are going to jack up 85-90 shots on average then they need to go all out and play Thornton and Dwill in the starting lineup with Gay, IT, and Cousins. I will never understand an over sized team trying to out gun an opponent. Makes ZERO sense.

[SacKingZZZ]

We had encouraging steps in the offseason to improve our defense and passing and we traded both away

Bro, come on!! We were a terrible defensive team from the brink! Luc nor Vas was going t change that! Give me a break with this one dumb point you're trying to sell. I mean come on you expect Luc to guard 5 positions one time??

Not alone, but we saw the change Luc was bringing with finally having an option defensively on the wing in the mere 2 weeks before he was traded. His impact was real, no question. Same with Vasquez. Not so much Vasquez alone but that PG duo the Kings had with Thomas off the bench was a strength for this team. One of the few strengths it had. Still, if you can get a talent like Rudy Gay for the package of parts they gave up you do it 10 times out of 10. Now the work comes in when you try and fill the holes they created. Rumors are looking promising on that end at least so it seems they know where they need assistance. An Andre Miller could come in handy right now.

I personally don't really expect much from this team until after the deadline. So is the life of a team where every player except maybe 2-3 guys expects that visit to the GMs office at some point.

[perezident]

I agree with the frustrations of Skaterdude and yourself SacKingzzz, however I'm lost as to all the complaining about not having Luc or Vas. Help me out here? We traded for Rudy Gay! The roster still comprises of Cousins and IT, but yet we have Gay?

Nothing in the NBA goes in chronological order or in some format that you follow. The Derick Williams trade happened first. Had the team knew they'd be getting Gay regardless bodes the question would they still trade Luc for Derick? I don't know the answer to that but hindsight suggests no. But I must admit that when we made that particular trade I was excited and all for it. How has the trade worked out thus far? Well, Derick shows some brilliance now and again. I think better coaching can get him to his full potential. Coach Malone needs to find creative ways to have Derick in some key situations to flourish in the offense.

I must reiterate though, Luc was a pretty good defender. But he didn't make the Kings in its totality a better defensive team. Truth be told I was more upset of losing Vas because of his play making and floor navigating skills he possessed. IT could be money off the bench logging about 30 mins a game. But if you bring in a guy like Andre Miller only tells me IT will remain your starter but once again I applaud the aggressiveness from the FO

[Nicky Nix Nook]

I'm honestly not worried about McLemore. He has a willingness to be coached, works hard, beautiful shot, crazy athleticism. Now, he may not be starter material right now, but give him time.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm not worried in McLemore as a person, player or anything other than whether or not this is a situation he can succeed in. The last few years are a perfect example of what can go wrong when players just simply don't fit your needs.

The good thing about him is his willingness to work and it does give one hope that he can potentially alter his own skills to fill the role better in time.

[KF10]

When you stick the same type of players in the same role and they struggle equally as bad, and you know they have talent or have succeeded in the past in another role, it's probably not just the player. Once again, JJ Hickson says hi!

McLemore is a rookie. Rookies are supposed to worry about their own game and their own development first and foremost. Defensive role players are supposed to worry more about the opponents game and how to stop them. Unless you draft a rookie for his ability to defend playing one in that position is usually not a wise move and even then he hasn't got the experience of playing against any of the players he's supposed to stop.

If they are going to jack up 85-90 shots on average then they need to go all out and play Thornton and Dwill in the starting lineup with Gay, IT, and Cousins. I will never understand an over sized team trying to out gun an opponent. Makes ZERO sense.

If the point is to win games, McLemore isn't helping us so far. It feels like we play 4 on 5 most of the times. On that basis alone, dude needs to be benched and let him grow his confidence off the bench and hope to earn the starting SG position again. But unfortunately, Thornton has been equally bad. Jimmer rarely plays the off guard. They are using him as a PG. So, it only leaves two players holding the fort at SG. Like I said, I hope McLemore is learning through his mistakes. This is some sort of trial by fire. The responsibility as a starter is too difficult for him but we all hope that he gets through it.