GT #31: GSW @ Wizards 6 PM CSN (1/5/14)

[JWallConnect]

Lol so vessel deserves to start because he played well in garbage time. Hilarious and delusional

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He's garbage and what he did tonight wont change my view of him. Going to need him to do it more and consistently before I can even consider him a decent player.

[hands11]

Lol so vessel deserves to start because he played well in garbage time. Hilarious and delusional

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Go away. delusional Yeah. I got your delusional right here buddy.

How about talking some Xs and Os and save the name calling for face to face encounters where someone can address it with you up front and personal.

[tontoz]

In these 3 home losses, Beal has been 4 of 14, 6 of 16, and 4 of 14 so far. He's attempted 1 FT in the 3 games. That's just pathetic. He's got to change his game - completely.

Make that 1 foul shot in the last 5 games.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Why is that sad ?

Because Nene is getting paid 13 million a year, Ariza 8 million a year, Wall just got an 80 million dollar contract. One of them should have stopped the bleeding.

I felt Wall started the game really strong. On both ends. Nene had a pretty decent game and I saw the energy and effort there. GS has a big talented combo up front. Nene can't beat them all game by himself. TA. He had a terrible game. I like that he came out driving twice but 0-5 from TA from 3 says he isn't getting the same open looks, he is just in a funk or some of both. TA is .427 from 3 on 6 attempts a game this year. He has played great this year. I have zero issue with TA as the starter at this point.

You are right. I'm just frustrated as a fan. These last 3 home games have been a nightmare.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Lol so vessel deserves to start because he played well in garbage time. Hilarious and delusional

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Go away. delusional Yeah. I got your delusional right here buddy.

How about talking some Xs and Os and save the name calling for face to face encounters where someone can address it with you up front and personal.

do not piss hands off man!

[dandridge 10]

We may have lost more games last season but at lease we played defense. Games like tonight make me miss that team.

I'm surprised more people are mentioning this. Listening to the post game on the way home tonight, Glenn Consor and most of the fans calling in are saying the Wiz lost the game because they just didn't make shots. Well, that might be partly true, but I think the biggest reason they lost was piss poor defense. The Warriors got any shot they wanted tonight. Gortat was pathetic defending the rim and Beal lost Thompson constantly. The Wiz didn't decide to play defense until they got down by 25....by then it was too late.

[montestewart]

As much as I hated the Okariza deal, I definitely liked the mindset Okafor' brought to the team and the addition of two good and spirited defenders. It's like the team, from the owner on down, forgot about that.

[dandridge 10]

if you are not going to change the coach and the coach is not going to change his terrible system/concepts then atleast change the lineup. Either start Nene or both Nene & Webster or something

This is what I have been posting recently. Team just seems stale. Something needs to happen. A new player. A new coach.

Something.

The front court they are playing just can't compete on a nightly basis against what team like GS have. But its not like the Wizards are that far off. You add a Bogut or even pick up Okafor cheap and this would be a different team.

I would start Ves. I know he has holes in his game but he plays the perimeter screens so much better then Booker or Kevin. And he plays better help D. And he is tall enough to play the position. I feel Ves still has a lot of up side compared to Booker and Kevin. They may as well give him the minutes to develop it.

Wow. As I was writing this, Ves had several good plays. Several good perimeter plays. Even a block. He took it to the basket for 2 and got a nice pass from Nene that got knocked out on another. Even hit from the outside. That would be the change I would make. Time to start Ves at PF. Its either that, or they need to go back to Nene and Gortat starting and rotating in those role plays the best they can.

Booker is simply to terrible on defense to have him out there just getting rebounds and making a few mid range shots.

Wasn't it just a week ago that everyone was applauding the fact that Booker was starting? Heck, there is a thread suggesting that was the permanent fix. Now, its people saying Ves should start or even go back to Nene? As has been mentioned before, it just shuffling the chairs on the Titantic. Vesely isn't going to help. He is a self-check on offense and too weak and foul prone on D. Nene would certainly help the starting unit, but the bench would go back to suck. As I said before, this team is mediocre at best. Switching up the line-ups isn't going to change that fact.

[montestewart]

if you are not going to change the coach and the coach is not going to change his terrible system/concepts then atleast change the lineup. Either start Nene or both Nene & Webster or something

This is what I have been posting recently. Team just seems stale. Something needs to happen. A new player. A new coach.

Something.

The front court they are playing just can't compete on a nightly basis against what team like GS have. But its not like the Wizards are that far off. You add a Bogut or even pick up Okafor cheap and this would be a different team.

I would start Ves. I know he has holes in his game but he plays the perimeter screens so much better then Booker or Kevin. And he plays better help D. And he is tall enough to play the position. I feel Ves still has a lot of up side compared to Booker and Kevin. They may as well give him the minutes to develop it.

Wow. As I was writing this, Ves had several good plays. Several good perimeter plays. Even a block. He took it to the basket for 2 and got a nice pass from Nene that got knocked out on another. Even hit from the outside. That would be the change I would make. Time to start Ves at PF. Its either that, or they need to go back to Nene and Gortat starting and rotating in those role plays the best they can.

Booker is simply to terrible on defense to have him out there just getting rebounds and making a few mid range shots.

Wasn't it just a week ago that everyone was applauding the fact that Booker was starting? Heck, there is a thread suggesting that was the permanent fix. Now, its people saying Ves should start or even go back to Nene? As has been mentioned before, it just shuffling the chairs on the Titantic. Vesely isn't going to help. He is a self-check on offense and too weak and foul prone on D. Nene would certainly help the starting unit, but the bench would go back to suck. As I said before, this team is mediocre at best. Switching up the line-ups isn't going to change that fact.

First you get good, then you win. This is the part where they are getting good.

[jivelikenice]

The roster is flawed but it doesn't help when you have a below avg coach who can't get this team to consistently focus and play with energy. The defense is tough to watch. How many times for our defensive players lose their man while they ball watch? What exactly are we trying to do in the half court offense? its either a pick for Wall, Gortat and Beal playing the two man game that results in long twos, or a post up to Néne.

[hands11]

if you are not going to change the coach and the coach is not going to change his terrible system/concepts then atleast change the lineup. Either start Nene or both Nene & Webster or something

This is what I have been posting recently. Team just seems stale. Something needs to happen. A new player. A new coach.

Something.

The front court they are playing just can't compete on a nightly basis against what team like GS have. But its not like the Wizards are that far off. You add a Bogut or even pick up Okafor cheap and this would be a different team.

I would start Ves. I know he has holes in his game but he plays the perimeter screens so much better then Booker or Kevin. And he plays better help D. And he is tall enough to play the position. I feel Ves still has a lot of up side compared to Booker and Kevin. They may as well give him the minutes to develop it.

Wow. As I was writing this, Ves had several good plays. Several good perimeter plays. Even a block. He took it to the basket for 2 and got a nice pass from Nene that got knocked out on another. Even hit from the outside. That would be the change I would make. Time to start Ves at PF. Its either that, or they need to go back to Nene and Gortat starting and rotating in those role plays the best they can.

Booker is simply to terrible on defense to have him out there just getting rebounds and making a few mid range shots.

Wasn't it just a week ago that everyone was applauding the fact that Booker was starting? Heck, there is a thread suggesting that was the permanent fix. Now, its people saying Ves should start or even go back to Nene? As has been mentioned before, it just shuffling the chairs on the Titantic. Vesely isn't going to help. He is a self-check on offense and too weak and foul prone on D. Nene would certainly help the starting unit, but the bench would go back to suck. As I said before, this team is mediocre at best. Switching up the line-ups isn't going to change that fact.

Well it wasn't me saying starting Booker was the fix.

There is no perfect solution. I said that before the season started. Given the roster and that they didn't add a center, I said play one of Nene or Okafor off the bench and audition at PF.

If you want to least expose the team defensively but get picks, rebounds and outlets, length, dunks, play Ves
- but Ves has no mid range, can't hit a FT and has been on a fouling tear.
- you have to run a few offensive plays for Ves on PnR because his offense isn't all that self generating.
- but if you are fast breaking, he can run and finish with dunks.
- Still a young player with upside who will make mistakes.

If you want the most rebounds, outlets, mid range and follow up dunks, play Booker
- but Booker really exposes the post with poor perimeter principles and slow to react post blocking help
- he is undersized and a poor defender. He gets rebounds but he doesn't help Gortat contest shots or protect the rim.

If you want the most post points, bigger body some mid range and left and right hand post moves - KS
- but he makes bad decisions with the ball in his hands and shoots at a high rate. Fouls and doesn't rebound enough.

You either start Nene and Gortat and rotate in the reserves like Randy was learning to do before Nene got injured and returned off the bench or you rotate through these players until one separates themselves from the pack. Hell, you can even try Singleton if you want as a 3 and D. Problem with the first option is it makes you play Nene and Beal to many minutes and they are on min restrictions. So you are left with the 2nd options.

No one has proven themselves to be the answer as the starting PF if Nene is coming off the bench. And given Gortat is a starter, you have to find the player that plays best with him defending the post, because Gortat is not the type that can do it alone. He isn't Okafor or Bogat. He doesn't suck. He just isn't a complete center.

[hands11]

The roster is flawed but it doesn't help when you have a below avg coach who can't get this team to consistently focus and play with energy. The defense is tough to watch. How many times for our defensive players lose their man while they ball watch? What exactly are we trying to do in the half court offense? its either a pick for Wall, Gortat and Beal playing the two man game that results in long twos, or a post up to Néne.

Offense is not Randy's strong suit. Neither are timely adjustments. What he is good at doing is verbalizing what went wrong after the game. Sadly, by then its to late to do anything about it.

There are things I like about what Randy brought to the team and how he helped them transition to where they are. I just don't see that he has it in him to get them to the next step. Its part him. Part the roster. Saying it all the roster ignores that he has made adjustments like benching Maynor and moving Nene to the bench that have helped. Now they need to keep adjusting until they find the best solution. Doesn't appear to me they have because he stay stuck with stuff that isn't working for to long. Ideal or not, this roster demands a coach that will keep the PF position fluid until someone proves they are the solution. Until then, its about who is bringing it and match ups.

I have seen enough of Booker defense on the perimeter and in the post to feel pretty confident he hasn't earned it on a nightly basis so its time to give someone else a chance.

[stevemcqueen1]

The coach isn't good. The defense is just bad. We don't protect our rim, that's completely gone from last season. Gortat isn't worth 10+ million a year. Beal has been playing very poorly and isn't ready to be the star we've been asking him to be. Nene doesn't play enough minutes and make enough of an impact to justify his pay. Ariza is one dimensional. The bench is full of flawed, incomplete players that can't shoot. And Wall isn't a first tier star capable of consistently dominating from game to game, and in fact rarely gives us a complete game of superstar caliber play.

[popper]

Everything sucks. The entire world sucks. We should all just die.

[miller31time]

The coach isn't good. The defense is just bad. We don't protect our rim, that's completely gone from last season. Gortat isn't worth 10+ million a year. Beal has been playing very poorly and isn't ready to be the star we've been asking him to be. Nene doesn't play enough minutes and make enough of an impact to justify his pay. Ariza is one dimensional. The bench is full of flawed, incomplete players that can't shoot. And Wall isn't a first tier star capable of consistently dominating from game to game, and in fact rarely gives us a complete game of superstar caliber play.

Concise but absolutely spot-on.

All in all, this team may (and probably will) make it to the playoffs but we're incredibly flawed and our ceiling is within reach.

It's very Grunfeldian and shame on the organization to expect anything more out of a man with his track record.

[montestewart]

The coach isn't good. The defense is just bad. We don't protect our rim, that's completely gone from last season. Gortat isn't worth 10+ million a year. Beal has been playing very poorly and isn't ready to be the star we've been asking him to be. Nene doesn't play enough minutes and make enough of an impact to justify his pay. Ariza is one dimensional. The bench is full of flawed, incomplete players that can't shoot. And Wall isn't a first tier star capable of consistently dominating from game to game, and in fact rarely gives us a complete game of superstar caliber play.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

[montestewart]

Everything sucks. The entire world sucks. We should all just die.

popper, you always bring just the right note of optimism.

[jeffsays]

John needs to teach Bradley how to play man defense. Curry had nothing all night while Thompson picked this team apart.

[Kanyewest]

Random facts:

Beal made 4 field goals in the 1st quarter and missed the rest that he took. Beal only took two 3 pointers out of the 16 shots he took.

Gortat is playing like crap defensively. Today it seemed like he was the Antawn Jamison of centers. Jan Vesely somehow outplayed him.

Otto Porter was 1 of 4 from the field and was somehow +16.

Ariza missed all 5 of his 3 pointers. Webster made 1 out of 5 his free throws.

John Wall was -31 and Garrett Temple was +16.

[dandridge 10]

Random facts:

Beal made 4 field goals in the 1st quarter and missed the rest that he took. Beal only took two 3 pointers out of the 16 shots he took.

Gortat is playing like crap defensively. Today it seemed like he was the Antawn Jamison of centers. Jan Vesely somehow outplayed him.

Otto Porter was 1 of 4 from the field and was somehow +16.

Ariza missed all 5 of his 3 pointers. Webster made 1 out of 5 his free throws.

John Wall was -31 and Garrett Temple was +16.

I actually thought Wall had a good game. He set up his teammates well...they just didn't convert. He also played pretty good D on Curry. I think part of the reason that he was -31 was that the rest of the starters sucked a**.