Why The Raptors May Already Be Done With Their Rebuild

[sngm]

The Raptors should still be looking to tank. No way they sustain these fluky wins. Dolan should be all over that Lowry trade because his play is off the charts right now. He's a trade proposal:

To New York:
DeMar DeRozan ($9,500,000 for 4 years)
Amir Johnson ($6,500,000 for 2 years)
Kyle Lowry ($6,210,000 EXPIRING)

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudemire ($21,679,893 for 2 years)
Raymond Felton ($3,637,073 for 3 years)
Metta World Peace ($1,591,650 for 2 years, WAIVED)
2019 2nd Round Pick

There is no way the Raptors are able to retain Lowry. He has become a star PG and will not want to resign just like other stars have shown. No one wants to stay in the cold, high-tax paying, hockey-centric Canada with very few basketball fans (see Gay, Bargnani, Bosh, Carter, McGrady, Billups, etc.) On the flipside, the Raptors receive Stoudemire via trade, a legit star PF who's starting to play like his old self. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs or had a star since Bosh played PF, which will excite fans and help them increase some well-needed ticket revenue. Felton and Vasquez can take over PG duties for the Raptors. MWP can be waived immediately but is in the trade for roster size and salary reasons.

Raptors have never appreciated DeMar DeRozan and he's been long rumoured to be on the trade block. This is where the Knicks can step and get a good young wing player to play with Carmelo. DeMar will leave Canada at the end of his contract anyway, so again, the Raptors can extract some value in this deal. Overall this deal also helps the team tank for Wiggins, the only star that MAY decide to resign in his hometown Toronto.

man since you like knicks you would say this stuff.... but the way this 3 players are playing, even rap looking to tank they can get way better then what you saying... NYK is doing **** wont make it to playoffs the way they playing...raptor have good fan base.

raptor have better chance of going to conference semi then getting the draft pick

[The Watcher]

You have been warned.

[rapluva]

The Raptors should still be looking to tank. No way they sustain these fluky wins. Dolan should be all over that Lowry trade because his play is off the charts right now. He's a trade proposal:

To New York:
DeMar DeRozan ($9,500,000 for 4 years)
Amir Johnson ($6,500,000 for 2 years)
Kyle Lowry ($6,210,000 EXPIRING)

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudemire ($21,679,893 for 2 years)
Raymond Felton ($3,637,073 for 3 years)
Metta World Peace ($1,591,650 for 2 years, WAIVED)
2019 2nd Round Pick

There is no way the Raptors are able to retain Lowry. He has become a star PG and will not want to resign just like other stars have shown. No one wants to stay in the cold, high-tax paying, hockey-centric Canada with very few basketball fans (see Gay, Bargnani, Bosh, Carter, McGrady, Billups, etc.) On the flipside, the Raptors receive Stoudemire via trade, a legit star PF who's starting to play like his old self. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs or had a star since Bosh played PF, which will excite fans and help them increase some well-needed ticket revenue. Felton and Vasquez can take over PG duties for the Raptors. MWP can be waived immediately but is in the trade for roster size and salary reasons.

Raptors have never appreciated DeMar DeRozan and he's been long rumoured to be on the trade block. This is where the Knicks can step and get a good young wing player to play with Carmelo. DeMar will leave Canada at the end of his contract anyway, so again, the Raptors can extract some value in this deal. Overall this deal also helps the team tank for Wiggins, the only star that MAY decide to resign in his hometown Toronto.

Too Late Dude.. New York had their chance to draft Demar Derozan and they didn't... That trade was probably on the table early December, now that you have had the chance to see what Kyle Lowry is capable of, you want to swing that same deal with the Raps. Stop being a casual fan, watch a few games other than Knick games and you will learn that there are some hidden gems on other teams and would look good on your team if given the opportunity.

The issue right now for that trade is timing..

[KnickerBonkerz]

Yes and as the 3 years go by, his value will keep dropping.

Derozan has gotten better every single year he's been in the league, so I fail to see the logic in this statement

How do you know Amir likes Toronto? Do you know him personally?

Pretty widely known... just follow him on twitter or instagram

Lowry is playing well, but the MARKET dictates the price. If he is pretty much guaranteed to leave as a free agent, this deal is better than getting absolutely nothing. Why don't people understand this.

Taking on bad contracts is not better than cap space. The Raptors have a good chance of resigning Lowry so they're not gonna trade him away for other teams' trash.

[RxOxP]

You have been warned.

[strawberry]

You have been warned

[Imenutz]

The Raptors should still be looking to tank. No way they sustain these fluky wins. Dolan should be all over that Lowry trade because his play is off the charts right now. He's a trade proposal:

To New York:
DeMar DeRozan ($9,500,000 for 4 years)
Amir Johnson ($6,500,000 for 2 years)
Kyle Lowry ($6,210,000 EXPIRING)

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudemire ($21,679,893 for 2 years)
Raymond Felton ($3,637,073 for 3 years)
Metta World Peace ($1,591,650 for 2 years, WAIVED)
2019 2nd Round Pick

There is no way the Raptors are able to retain Lowry. He has become a star PG and will not want to resign just like other stars have shown. No one wants to stay in the cold, high-tax paying, hockey-centric Canada with very few basketball fans (see Gay, Bargnani, Bosh, Carter, McGrady, Billups, etc.) On the flipside, the Raptors receive Stoudemire via trade, a legit star PF who's starting to play like his old self. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs or had a star since Bosh played PF, which will excite fans and help them increase some well-needed ticket revenue. Felton and Vasquez can take over PG duties for the Raptors. MWP can be waived immediately but is in the trade for roster size and salary reasons.

Raptors have never appreciated DeMar DeRozan and he's been long rumoured to be on the trade block. This is where the Knicks can step and get a good young wing player to play with Carmelo. DeMar will leave Canada at the end of his contract anyway, so again, the Raptors can extract some value in this deal. Overall this deal also helps the team tank for Wiggins, the only star that MAY decide to resign in his hometown Toronto.

Typical idiotic NY fan.

Let me tell you how the Raptors are gonna trade the Knicks their best player for nothing when we are basically killing the Knicks in the standings. If our play is so unsustainable then why do you want all our players? Your just a desperate New York fan who has yet to realize Carmelo is dipping out of New York and their best option is to trade Melo back to Ujiri for Salmons and Hayes (green font)

[themeccamsg]

The Raptors should still be looking to tank. No way they sustain these fluky wins. Dolan should be all over that Lowry trade because his play is off the charts right now. He's a trade proposal:

To New York:
DeMar DeRozan ($9,500,000 for 4 years)
Amir Johnson ($6,500,000 for 2 years)
Kyle Lowry ($6,210,000 EXPIRING)

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudemire ($21,679,893 for 2 years)
Raymond Felton ($3,637,073 for 3 years)
Metta World Peace ($1,591,650 for 2 years, WAIVED)
2019 2nd Round Pick

There is no way the Raptors are able to retain Lowry. He has become a star PG and will not want to resign just like other stars have shown. No one wants to stay in the cold, high-tax paying, hockey-centric Canada with very few basketball fans (see Gay, Bargnani, Bosh, Carter, McGrady, Billups, etc.) On the flipside, the Raptors receive Stoudemire via trade, a legit star PF who's starting to play like his old self. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs or had a star since Bosh played PF, which will excite fans and help them increase some well-needed ticket revenue. Felton and Vasquez can take over PG duties for the Raptors. MWP can be waived immediately but is in the trade for roster size and salary reasons.

Raptors have never appreciated DeMar DeRozan and he's been long rumoured to be on the trade block. This is where the Knicks can step and get a good young wing player to play with Carmelo. DeMar will leave Canada at the end of his contract anyway, so again, the Raptors can extract some value in this deal. Overall this deal also helps the team tank for Wiggins, the only star that MAY decide to resign in his hometown Toronto.

Typical idiotic NY fan.

Let me tell you how the Raptors are gonna trade the Knicks their best player for nothing when we are basically killing the Knicks in the standings. If our play is so unsustainable then why do you want all our players? Your just a desperate New York fan who has yet to realize Carmelo is dipping out of New York and their best option is to trade Melo back to Ujiri for Salmons and Hayes (green font)

It is way more likely that DeRozan leaves the Raptors ASAP than Carmelo leaving. Your team has a long history of star players leaving with nothing in return, while New York has always been able to retain its stars and ATTRACT new stars as well. When is the last time Toronto signed a star player who WANTED to play there? Tyler Hansborough? Rasho Nesterovic? LOL. I feel sorry for you guys. Even Turkoglu had to be sign and traded to the Raptors because he refused to sign with them outright. He hated it, played like garbage, and left after 1 year as fast as he could.

[BossHoggin]

It is way more likely that DeRozan leaves the Raptors ASAP than Carmelo leaving.

Well considering that Melo is a FA this summer and DeRozan just signed an extension, you're wrong.

Your team has a long history of star players leaving with nothing in return, while New York has always been able to retain its stars and ATTRACT new stars as well.

Long history of getting bent over in trades with Denver/Toronto and signing injury plagued or headcase stars.

When is the last time Toronto signed a star player who WANTED to play there? Tyler Hansborough? Rasho Nesterovic? LOL. I feel sorry for you guys. Even Turkoglu had to be sign and traded to the Raptors because he refused to sign with them outright. He hated it, played like garbage, and left after 1 year as fast as he could.

Turk wanted to sign in Toronto, he picked them over Portland. He left because he was traded.

You don't give Knicks fans a good name.

[themeccamsg]

It is way more likely that DeRozan leaves the Raptors ASAP than Carmelo leaving.

Well considering that Melo is a FA this summer and DeRozan just signed an extension, you're wrong.

Your team has a long history of star players leaving with nothing in return, while New York has always been able to retain its stars and ATTRACT new stars as well.

Long history of getting bent over in trades with Denver/Toronto and signing injury plagued or headcase stars.

When is the last time Toronto signed a star player who WANTED to play there? Tyler Hansborough? Rasho Nesterovic? LOL. I feel sorry for you guys. Even Turkoglu had to be sign and traded to the Raptors because he refused to sign with them outright. He hated it, played like garbage, and left after 1 year as fast as he could.

Turk wanted to sign in Toronto, he picked them over Portland. He left because he was traded.

You don't give Knicks fans a good name.

1) DeRozan only signed at extension because he is restricted so he had to. He demanded way more in his contract than he is worth probably hoping they would trade him at the time.

2) Turk demanded a trade out of Toronto and they were forced to take nothing in the trade (an aging Barbosa). He then spoke openly in the media about how much he hated his time in Toronto. This quote says it all: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,259716

3) You don't give basketball fans a good name.

[Imenutz]

TOR have 3 full years before they can worry about DD contract. And Amir loves Toronto. With the way Lowry is balling, he is clearly worth more than a second round pick in 2019 . You mistake Masai for some idiot.

Yes and as the 3 years go by, his value will keep dropping. Better to act early. How do you know Amir likes Toronto? Do you know him personally? Lowry is playing well, but the MARKET dictates the price. If he is pretty much guaranteed to leave as a free agent, this deal is better than getting absolutely nothing. Why don't people understand this.

First of all, I'd rather let him go for free then take the crap your offering, Second of all, if we were so inclined to trade Lowry there are many different better trades on the table then that garbage your homerism is offering. FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: I SEEM TO REMEMBER A CERTAIN SOMEONE WHO HAD 1 YEAR LEFT ON HIS DEAL AND HIS GM MANAGED TO TRADE HIM FOR ASSETS POSSIBLY EXCEEDING THE VALUE OF THE PLAYER HIMSELF. Your very own Carmelo Anthony says hi, and guess what that dumb gm that traded him to your team is now the gm of the Raptors.

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

It is way more likely that DeRozan leaves the Raptors ASAP than Carmelo leaving.

Well considering that Melo is a FA this summer and DeRozan just signed an extension, you're wrong.

Your team has a long history of star players leaving with nothing in return, while New York has always been able to retain its stars and ATTRACT new stars as well.

Long history of getting bent over in trades with Denver/Toronto and signing injury plagued or headcase stars.

When is the last time Toronto signed a star player who WANTED to play there? Tyler Hansborough? Rasho Nesterovic? LOL. I feel sorry for you guys. Even Turkoglu had to be sign and traded to the Raptors because he refused to sign with them outright. He hated it, played like garbage, and left after 1 year as fast as he could.

Turk wanted to sign in Toronto, he picked them over Portland. He left because he was traded.

You don't give Knicks fans a good name.

1) DeRozan only signed at extension because he is restricted so he had to. He demanded way more in his contract than he is worth probably hoping they would trade him at the time.

2) Turk demanded a trade out of Toronto and they were forced to take nothing in the trade (an aging Barbosa). He then spoke openly in the media about how much he hated his time in Toronto. This quote says it all: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,259716

3) You don't give basketball fans a good name.

Demar, like Amir is well known is his love for the city of Toronto. He signed because he likes it here. He and Amir both stated they wanted to be a Raptor for the remainder of their careers. Your trade suggestions express your poor basketball IQ. You should know GM Masai Ujiri by now, considering how many times he has screwed over your franchise. He won't take such terrible deals. Turkoglu played like crap in Toronto, and blamed the city for his terrible preformance. He was traded and guess what? He continued to suck, so no it had nothing to do with the city of Toronto. Why not leave your troll cave in NYC City and go see other cities before you assume something.

[BossHoggin]

It is way more likely that DeRozan leaves the Raptors ASAP than Carmelo leaving.

Well considering that Melo is a FA this summer and DeRozan just signed an extension, you're wrong.

Your team has a long history of star players leaving with nothing in return, while New York has always been able to retain its stars and ATTRACT new stars as well.

Long history of getting bent over in trades with Denver/Toronto and signing injury plagued or headcase stars.

When is the last time Toronto signed a star player who WANTED to play there? Tyler Hansborough? Rasho Nesterovic? LOL. I feel sorry for you guys. Even Turkoglu had to be sign and traded to the Raptors because he refused to sign with them outright. He hated it, played like garbage, and left after 1 year as fast as he could.

Turk wanted to sign in Toronto, he picked them over Portland. He left because he was traded.

You don't give Knicks fans a good name.

1) DeRozan only signed at extension because he is restricted so he had to. He demanded way more in his contract than he is worth probably hoping they would trade him at the time.

2) Turk demanded a trade out of Toronto and they were forced to take nothing in the trade (an aging Barbosa). He then spoke openly in the media about how much he hated his time in Toronto. This quote says it all: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,259716

3) You don't give basketball fans a good name.

0/10.

#1 : Speculation, and poor speculation at best.
#2: Turk is obviously talking about the team and management, not the city. Read for context.
#3: you mad?

[CHAMPi0N]

lol. This is complete madness.

The Raptors have a few decent pieces and are stringing together wins like there's no tomorrow. They need to deal Lowry ASAP and bite the bullet this year (take some losses after the trade, which is likely).

Raptors have never had good draft position in a deep draft in the past 10 years... Time to draft a star and add him to this budding core.

DeRozan has arrived, and thanks to the departure of Gay he's showing he can do more than just score. I think him, Valanciunas, Amir, and Vasquez will do well in the future alongside a young talent from the 2014 draft class.