2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[carey]

And why the hell are you all so impatient?

Jesus Christ, man. No one is impatient. This site is called RealGM and this is the trade thread. We enjoy coming up with hypothetical trades to improve our team and this is the place to do so. Would you rather this thread be dead as a doornail? Come on, man. If you don't want to indulge in such scenarios don't read it.

[INFORMER-93]

And why the hell are you all so impatient? Do you really want to waste most of our assets on players like Thad Young or Hawes?

I don't believe in giving up assets for Spencer Hawes, but let's not act like Thaddeus Young is some 30-something, mid-level player on an expiring contract. He is a 2-way, versatile, efficient scorer who is young, still improving and making less than $10 million a year. Trading for him has little do with just this season; you trade for him, you trade for a player that can be a prominent part of your core going forward.

[Ring_Wanted]

It's everywhere else that's the problem. If I have to watch another 1-7 FG half where he bricks 3 or 4 point blank shots I might scream. Love the dude's hustle but he has giant holes in his game.

He has, for sure, but I'd think he'd be way cheaper than Ariza (who is also far from flawless), for instance. Besides, at the rate he works on his game, I wouldn't be surprised if he learned to be more efficient.

I think with just three tweaks he'd gain so much:

Not taking the shot under the basket every time he gets an offensive rebound.

Avoiding any kind of ballhandling unless it is in the open court.

Turning down the backing up in the post unless it is a clearly favorable matchup. Basically limit it to weaker and short armed defenders.

I believe that's his next step and that Hornacek could get him easily to do so.

[DRK]

If we are looking for a 3&D guy, i would rather go after Wilson Chandler than Ariza.

If we're looking for a three and D guy, I'ld rather keep PJ Tucker on the cheap.

This isnt the same PJ Tucker from last season remember. He's almost automatic from the three in the corner....

It's everywhere else that's the problem. If I have to watch another 1-7 FG half where he bricks 3 or 4 point blank shots I might scream. Love the dude's hustle but he has giant holes in his game.

Giant holes that can be fixed.

Remember watching him shoot three pointers last season? Oh wait.. He didnt shoot any because he was so horrifically shocking at it. Now look at him now.

I'ld take PJ and his holes at 4 mil over a structurally sound Wilson Chandler at double the price any day of the week,

[DRK]

Im so glad that Deng got traded so we can put an end to all the idiotic ideas of finding ways to screw up our future and chemistry to bring him here.

[Fo-Real]

Tobias Harris or Will Chandler.... Tobias being my top target. I would maybe even offer Len and a first for him. Still do the Thad for the Morri + filler trade. Bledso, Dragic, Tobias, Thad, Plumlee. Even if not the Thad trade, I really like Tobias at the Sf.

[ShawnBronald]

Tobias Harris or Will Chandler

I'd love to get Harris on this team. I wonder what Orlando would ask for him.

[RunDogGun]

I really don't understand the desire to trade the Morrii, at this point. Unless it's to get a legit superstar, they seem to the reason our bench works. How often do we hear,"That team has good starters, but no bench."?

Deplete our bench, and then you'll be crying for a better bench. And then two picks, in what has been called a deep draft?

[Ryu]

My best offer for Young would be Morris twins and Indy pick. No Jason Richardson, no more picks and especially not Archie Goodwin. If they aren`t interested in twins I`d give them 2 first rounders (Minny one and the worse of our and Wizz pick).

And I like Thad Young`s game a lot for the Suns system.

[carey]

Tobias Harris or Will Chandler

I'd love to get Harris on this team. I wonder what Orlando would ask for him.

I think Harris is the "type" of player we should be targeting, but I've cooled on him considerably. I have issues with SFs that can't shoot the 3 (17%) and he is shooting less than 40% from the field (38%). Last night he was 1-9 and just played really poorly. I think he might be working his way back from injury (ankle). I'd be wary of giving up a lot of assets for him at this point.

Edit: So yeah, Len & a first is too much for him. The only player I'm even putting Len in a deal for at this point is Love.

[INFORMER-93]

I think we overrate Goodwin because of his strong summer league play and his young age. I don't think he is a guaranteed stud, and I don't think he has shown enough to praise McDonough for finding some gem at the end of the first round.

Still, he has shown enough to be intriguing and is worth developing. So certainly he shouldn't be thrown into a deal without careful deliberation. So I can understand for some, including Archie may be a deal-breaker.

Personally, I value the Wolves #14 pick and the Washington pick more than Goodwin because I rate the prospects we can likely get with those picks, like TJ Warren and Kyle Anderson, higher than I do Goodwin.

[INFORMER-93]

Tobias Harris or Will Chandler

I'd love to get Harris on this team. I wonder what Orlando would ask for him.

I think Harris is the "type" of player we should be targeting, but I've cooled on him considerably. I have issues with SFs that can't shoot the 3 (17%) and he is shooting less than 40% from the field (38%). Last night he was 1-9 and just played really poorly. I think he might be working his way back from injury (ankle). I'd be wary of giving up a lot of assets for him at this point.

I wouldn't hold his numbers this season against him.

[gaspar]

And why the hell are you all so impatient?

Jesus Christ, man. No one is impatient. This site is called RealGM and this is the trade thread. We enjoy coming up with hypothetical trades to improve our team and this is the place to do so. Would you rather this thread be dead as a doornail? Come on, man. If you don't want to indulge in such scenarios don't read it.

Sorry for my ott reaction but I really don't see a point in trading for mid-level vets who don't move the needle much for this team. For me it just screams desperation to make the #8 seed with not much long term planning. IMO we should go after a "true star" or try to find some hidden gems on other teams' benches like we did with Miles.

[Ring_Wanted]

If a trade happened today I think I'd offer Minni's pick before Archie. Not because Goodwin may be better than the prospects in the 18-22 range, but because we actually have him while the Wolves essentially control that pick.

Even if they are trying to get into the playoffs, at one point it may become clear it's not happening, and if there is enough time before the end of the reg season, I think they easily can pull a 'Warriors for Barnes' move. If this was the East, it would be different. I guess it all depends on how you ponder their chances to make the postseason. Personally, I don't think they make it, but of course I'd love to be wrong and get a #14.

[Ring_Wanted]

I'd love to get Harris on this team. I wonder what Orlando would ask for him.

I think Harris is the "type" of player we should be targeting, but I've cooled on him considerably. I have issues with SFs that can't shoot the 3 (17%) and he is shooting less than 40% from the field (38%). Last night he was 1-9 and just played really poorly. I think he might be working his way back from injury (ankle). I'd be wary of giving up a lot of assets for him at this point.

I wouldn't hold his numbers this season against him.

Yeah, ankles are bitches, as we know first hand.

[gaspar]

And why the hell are you all so impatient? Do you really want to waste most of our assets on players like Thad Young or Hawes?

I don't believe in giving up assets for Spencer Hawes, but let's not act like Thaddeus Young is some 30-something, mid-level player on an expiring contract. He is a 2-way, versatile, efficient scorer who is young, still improving and making less than $10 million a year. Trading for him has little do with just this season; you trade for him, you trade for a player that can be a prominent part of your core going forward.

Perhaps I'm a huge homer who overrates Frye and the twins, but I just don't see this big upgrade Thad supposedly provides for this team. Thad's good but he has some major holes in his game like rebounding and post defense.

And do you know who else is "a 2-way, versatile, efficient scorer who is young, still improving and making less than $10 million a year"? Markieff Morris. Compare their stats when Thad was Markieff's age: LINK.

[Dr Manute]

Im so glad that Deng got traded so we can put an end to all the idiotic ideas of finding ways to screw up our future and chemistry to bring him here.

+1

[Wannabe MEP]

Frye is best as a FIVE.

See: '09-'10. In particular, remember this lineup?

Dragic-Barbosa-Dudley-Lou-Frye

Mismatches galore on offense, and SUPERB on D. Including against elite teams/players/units in the playoffs.

I always considered Lou as the FIVE in that lineup because he was the "one in" of the 4out-1in lineup.

I don't think the position labels are really that important, as long as you have frye out there with an active, athletic big with good D and good hands. This could be Lou, Plumlee... Whoever.

Ok, you're right, the position labels are arbitrary. Frye plays pretty much the same role regardless of who his frontcourt mate is. On OFFENSE. But on defense, Frye was the five beside Lou/Amare, but he was the 4 beside Gortat/Lopez and now Plumlee.

For example, in a 2-3 zone, where does he stand? In the 2010 playoffs, he was in the middle of the of the zone that gave the Lakers fits. Lou-Frye lineups DESTROYED Bynum lineups. Frye-Gortat in a 2-3 zone the next season? Gortat takes the middle, and it doesn't work at all: Frye isn't quick enough to both defend the 3 and help inside like Lou was.

So regardless of position, the big question is: do you pair Frye with QUICKNESS or SIZE?

I vote quickness. Which is why, as I've said for years, I still think we should be looking for Lou 2.0, in the form of...

Lou
Thaddeus Young
Faried
Chris Andersen
Amir Johnson
(etc.)

And now we find out that Thad is available. He's dramatically improved his 3-point shooting and other areas of his offensive game, and his advanced stats are consistently positive on both sides of the ball.

[Ring_Wanted]

Amir would have been my choice if the Raps were not fighting to make the playoffs, above all because I think he would be compatible with Kieff.

[MilotheSlayer]

Why not go after an expiring contract like a Pau Gasol? send okafor frye and a pick for him. He stretches the floor and rebounds which has been a real weakness this year. He wouldnt disrupt spacing and in a half court offense we could feed him the rock in the post.