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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#21 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:13 pm

It seems like we have the two guys who average the least front-court touches in the league per 48 minutes.

Only Ryan Hollins (4.1 touches) averages less front-court touches per game than Rocky and that's just because he plays 4mpg less. Basically I figured that Rocky (4.9 touches) is last in the league in this stat per36/per48 until I saw Biz (6.7 touches) with his mammoth 19mpg among guys who average around 10 minutes.

No one averages that many minutes and so few touches. The next guy who has more minutes than Biz, arranged from the guy with the least touches to the most, is Samuel Dalembert with 21.9mpg and 26.6 touches (a reminder, Biz is 19.1 and 6.7).

Biz should be dead last in the league with 16.8 front-court touches per 48. Seems like Adrien is second with 18.7. NBA.com doesn't offer a touches/per48 stat so I did these myself.

That's how simple their task is on offense. Go on and crash the glass, maybe you'll receive a pass if you're lucky.
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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#22 » by HornetJail » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:18 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:It seems like we have the two guys who average the least front-court touches in the league per 48 minutes.

Only Ryan Hollins (4.1 touches) averages less front-court touches per game than Rocky and that's just because he plays 4mpg less. Basically I figured that Rocky (4.9 touches) is last in the league in this stat per36/per48 until I saw Biz (6.7 touches) with his mammoth 19mpg among guys who average around 10 minutes.

No one averages that many minutes and so few touches. The next guy who has more minutes than Biz, arranged from the guy with the least touches to the most, is Samuel Dalembert with 21.9mpg and 26.6 touches (a reminder, Biz is 19.1 and 6.7).

Biz should be dead last in the league with 16.8 front-court touches per 48. Seems like Adrien is second with 18.7. NBA.com doesn't offer a touches/per48 stat so I did these myself.

That's how simple their task is on offense. Go on and crash the glass, maybe you'll receive a pass if you're lucky.

I think this is good for Biz in a way, because Biz doesn't need to do much on offense and can pay all of his attention to rebounding and defense, which he is becoming much much better at. It masks Biz's main weakness and this is helpful to the team. We really don't want to see Biz messing around on offense much when we've got guys like Al, Zeller, McBob to do that.
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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#23 » by fatlever » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:13 pm

http://www.nbawowy.com/#/release

have any of you guys ever played around with this site? if so, what are some good queries?
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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#24 » by BeesWax » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:05 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Unfortunately, the SportsVU cameras don't tell anything that good about our guys rebounding the ball:

I chose guys who average 5 rebounds per game and have participated in at least 10 games (to get rid of the Kobe's and Derrick Williams'es) and here's what I got:

Out of 96 guys who made the cut, Mike Kidd-Gilchrist was 88th in contested REB percentage (contested rebounds/total rebounds) with 1.3 contest rebounds out of his 5.2 (24.5%). And this is understandable. He's ahead of Paul George, Durant and LeBron. This category certainly is for bigger and thicker guys and no small forwards really excel. But none of our big guys really stand out which is sort of bad. Biz is right in the middle (47th, 38.5%), Al is 57th (35.8%) McBob is 71st (33.1%)

And then there is percentage of rebounds per chance, it measures the times a player actually grabbed the rebound against the number of times where he was within 3.5 feet of it. It has big guys in the top10 like DeAndre, Drummond and Bynum, but Durant and James are number one and two, respectively, guys like Pierce and Stephenson are also high so it's also a category for the the crafty (Pierce and Lantz) and the guys who can leap over everyone (James and Durant) as well.

Biz is again the best of our guys, ranking 37th with a percentage of 61.9% (6.8 rebounds in 10.9 chances). Al is 52nd (59.1%), McRoberts is 75th (55.8%) and disappointingly Mike is only 85th (53.7%). For some reason all of the guys who were surrounding him in the contested REB stat, the small forwards like Batum, Ariza, James and Durant, are top20 and even guys like Turner and Butler are in the top50. MKG is the lone small forward in this category at the bottom of this stat. The closest small forward to him is DeMarre Carroll at the 57 spot, unless you consider Josh Smith or Jeremy Evans a real small forward.


The second stat could be very distorted by the fact that so many guys on our team rebound. Since we are not a great team rebounding wise we tend to send more people to the boards. If MKG is getting in range and then giving up the rebound to a teammate that hurts his per chance numbers but we still get the board. The way our bigs tend to leap around, other than Jefferson, that could cause there to be some misses there.
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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#25 » by ball teacher » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:14 pm

Interesting stuff. So Taylor is involved in the worst defensive stats, Biz is in the worst offensive groups, and MKG is not involved in the best offensive stats. Interesting.
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Re: Fun with Stats!!! 

Post#26 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Jan 6, 2014 9:03 am

The eye test about Cody being terrible on his drives from the FT line is confirmed by SportVU.

He has the sixth worst FG% on drives (any touch that starts at least 20 feet of the hoop and is dribbled within 10 feet of the hoop and excludes fast breaks) in the league between players with at least 50 of them for the season.

Cody's at 29.4%. He averages 1.5 drives per game and scores 0.9ppg on them.

The five players worse than him are McLemore (14.3%!!!), Shved, Watson, Kevin Martin and Kirk Hinrich.

Westbrook and Lillard are 7th and 8th worst though.
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Post#27 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Jan 6, 2014 9:08 am

It's so obvious that I forgot to mention it. Ramon Sessions still is first in the league at points per 48 minutes on drives at 13.3. Tyreke Evans (11.0) and Monta Ellis (10.8) are second and third, guys who are among the leaders (Monta is 1st) in ppg on drives outright.
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Post#28 » by EwingSweatsALot » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:03 pm

Kirk Goldsberry tweeted that the Bobcats have taken the most midrange shots in the NBA (39% of attempts) but have the worst midrage FG% at 34%.
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Post#29 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:14 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Kirk Goldsberry tweeted that the Bobcats have taken the most midrange shots in the NBA (39% of attempts) but have the worst midrage FG% at 34%.


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Post#30 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:22 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Kirk Goldsberry tweeted that the Bobcats have taken the most midrange shots in the NBA (39% of attempts) but have the worst midrage FG% at 34%.


Jerome McKinley Henderson is 113 of 298 for .379 FG%

Kemba Walker is 90 of 235 for .383 FG%

I'm surprised that Henderson shot that many more midrange shots than Kemba, and I'm also surprised that Kemba has a higher FG% at it than Henderson considering the shooting slumps that he's been in
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Post#31 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:22 pm

cats have taken 957 shots outside of the paint, but inside the 3pt line and made 33.96% according to stats.nba

however, also according to stats.nba only 33% of our shots are from that area. where is he getting 39%

stats.nba.com

has the breakdown as follows

at the rim: 34.10%
in the paint (not at the rim): 13.57%
outside the paint, inside the 3pt line: 33.30%
3pt line: 18.82%

i guess its just a matter of definition for "mid-range" perhaps shots in the paint, but outside 8 feet are mid-range.
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Post#32 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:25 pm

if you use hot spots zones instead of basic zones

within 8 feet of rim: 42.55%
3pt line: 18.8%
everything else: 38.65%

OK, there it is...
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Post#33 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 5:13 pm

22% of our shots are 16-24ft for a fg% of 32%

by comparison

the spurs
17.5% of total shots from 16-24ft at 39%

the rockets
6.5% of total shots from 16-24ft at 35.7%

the blazers
21.7% of total shots from 16-24ft at 45%

the heat
17.5% of total shots from 16-24ft at 41% (almost identical to spurs)

the suns
14.3% of total shots from 16-24ft at 41%

the cavs (to compare us to another bad offensive team)
20% of total shots from 16-24ft at 39.7%
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Post#34 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 7, 2014 5:21 pm

Based on those stats, it appears that Henderson is the reason why the Bobcats have been the worst offense in the league 3 years straight, not only by the numbers, but also the fact that he's the common denominator followed by Kemba. Basically, you can't inefficiently trade 2-pointers with opponent's 3-pointers & expect to have a better offense. Like I said, I was surprised that Kemba's midrange attempts paled in comparison to Henderson's
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Post#35 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 5:39 pm

the worst offenders on the cats from 16-24ft

cody zeller 19-for-69 (36% of total shots) at 27.5%
*side note, zeller is shooting 29% on the road overall (42.5% at home overall)

gerald henderson 63-for-174 (38% of total shots) at 36.2%
*the percentage isnt bad, its just the massive volume of shots from this distance that is a killer

kemba walker 44-for-130 (23% of total shots) at 33.8%

al jefferson 27-for-88 (20.5% of total shots) at 30.7%
*why is jefferson taking 20% of his shots from 16+ feet from the basket?


hats off to mcbob who has only taken 30 shots from 16-24ft all season (12% of total shots)

also hats off to MKG who is 13-of-32 from 16-24ft for 40.6%, however, he shouldnt be taking 26% of his shots from here. needs to get to the rim more.

jeff taylor was bad from this distance as well at 22%, thankfully he was only taking 18.8% of shots here, which was still probably too many.
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Post#36 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 5:44 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Based on those stats, it appears that Henderson is the reason why the Bobcats have been the worst offense in the league 3 years straight, not only by the numbers, but also the fact that he's the common denominator followed by Kemba. Basically, you can't inefficiently trade 2-pointers with opponent's 3-pointers & expect to have a better offense. Like I said, I was surprised that Kemba's midrange attempts paled in comparison to Henderson's


i was working on looking up the individual stuff while you posted...

henderson and kemba take a ton of shots from this distance and neither is particularly efficient doing so. hendo takes more, but makes a higher %. zeller as expected is awful from this range and takes way too many. however, he doesnt take enough overall shots to really have a drastic effect on our overall numbers. its mainly kemba and hendo.

not to turn this into a thread about those two, but i mentioned previously that the two constants playing heavy minutes over the past 3 years when we have been the leagues worst offense - kemba and henderson. its not a coincidence.
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Post#37 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 7, 2014 5:46 pm

nothing will change until we get some players who can shoot 3s, whether its players to play alongside hendo and kemba or players to replace them.
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Post#38 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:05 pm

fatlever wrote:nothing will change until we get some players who can shoot 3s, whether its players to play alongside hendo and kemba or players to replace them.


Jerome must be replaced. Kemba shouldn't go nowhere, hence he's currently the team's best 3-point shooter. Midrange shooting is Kemba's gift & curse. He need to get away from depending on that shot. It's okay to take it every here & there if given, but it shouldn't be his go-to shot
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Post#39 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:15 pm

fatlever wrote:the worst offenders on the cats from 16-24ft

cody zeller 19-for-69 (36% of total shots) at 27.5%
*side note, zeller is shooting 29% on the road overall (42.5% at home overall)

gerald henderson 63-for-174 (38% of total shots) at 36.2%
*the percentage isnt bad, its just the massive volume of shots from this distance that is a killer

kemba walker 44-for-130 (23% of total shots) at 33.8%

al jefferson 27-for-88 (20.5% of total shots) at 30.7%
*why is jefferson taking 20% of his shots from 16+ feet from the basket?


hats off to mcbob who has only taken 30 shots from 16-24ft all season (12% of total shots)

also hats off to MKG who is 13-of-32 from 16-24ft for 40.6%, however, he shouldnt be taking 26% of his shots from here. needs to get to the rim more.

jeff taylor was bad from this distance as well at 22%, thankfully he was only taking 18.8% of shots here, which was still probably too many.


Maybe it's just me, but I consider 8-16 ft 'midrange' too. For instance, is a free throw jump shot not a midrange attempt?
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Post#40 » by fatlever » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:15 pm

the bobcats are 2nd in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 716. (blazers are 1st with 719). however, the bobcats last in the league in FG% from 16-24 at 33.4%. by comparison, the blazers are 2nd in the league in FG% from that range at 45.1% (pacers are 1st at 46.4%)

i really dont think this stat is getting enough attention. let this sink in for a minute... we are the absolute worst in the league in a particular shot, yet we take more of that shot than anyone in the league except one team and that one team makes the same shot 13% more frequently than we do.

it doesnt matter what kind of players you have on your team, how they fit together, the lack of shooters or post up guys - if you are the absolute worst at something, you try to avoid doing it. our coaches and players dont seem to be getting this message.

only two other teams in the league seem to be as hard-headed as the bobcats when it comes to launching too many shots from this distance at a low percentage - the wizards and jazz - and both teams take less and make more than us.

sadly we are league average at shots 8-16 feet (our best spot compared to others), and below average at shots 0-8 feet and 24+.

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