'14 Draft Thread - Now With a Poll: VOTE OR DIE.

LedZepp007 · Post #2881 » by **LedZepp007** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 2:25 pm

We have the worst record in the NBA with the easiest schedule. This tank is an unstoppable masterpiece

LedZepp007 · Post #2882 » by **LedZepp007** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 2:29 pm

I think it would be a mistake to draft Embiid. Huge potential. For once I do think we need someone who can make an immediate impact. I think wiggins, Parker, Exum, and randle can do that sooner than embiid

Nowak008 · Post #2883 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 2:32 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Makes me nervous because the last 7 footer to deliver on all his promise was Duncan 16 years ago. I guess Dirk too.

I'd imagine if we were to redraft the league, Davis would go top 3-5.

Having said that, I'm with you leary drafting a 7 footer #1. This will be the most important draft pick this franchise has ever had, we need a sure thing. At this point I just want to be relevant - I don't care about winning a championship. I'll take a star instead of rolling the dice on a super duper star. If Parker is Pierce, I'd take him and not think twice about it.

Nebula1 · Post #2884 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 2:56 pm

I'm leary on Embiid for the Bucks too. Obvious upside and potential but too much risk for me. Wiggins then Parker for me for the Bucks. Both guys have just as much star potential as Embiid and personally I love what Wiggins offers.

Post #2885 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 3:49 pm

Nebula1 wrote:I'm leary on Embiid for the Bucks too. Obvious upside and potential but too much risk for me. Wiggins then Parker for me for the Bucks. Both guys have just as much star potential as Embiid and personally I love what Wiggins offers.

I'm slowly coming around to Skones view of Wiggins shooting and Ayt's view of his ball handling. Not saying at all that he's Michael Kidd Gilchrist, he's not. But he doesn't appear to the McGrady's skill set, which is what he was advertised as.

I think he goes third if the draft were today.

LUKE23 · Post #2886 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 3:52 pm

Lets keep in mind that TMac's first and second NBA season were nothing to write home about. In fact, they were brutal.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #2887 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:11 pm

I forgot who said it but they made a great point that I don't trust the Bucks with building around Embiid. I think he's #1 on a big board, but Hammond and Kohl do NOT have the vision for it. Them negotiating over Henson or Sanders in trade talks scares the **** out of me. So does the idea of getting a guy that ends up being in the same tier as Henson/Sanders while letting the biggest wing prospects since Durant get away trying to be too cute.

LUKE23 · Post #2888 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:19 pm

Was the blurb on Ford saying we were leaning Randle at #1 currently posted yesterday? Talk about a board riot.

Nebula1 · Post #2889 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:21 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:I'm leary on Embiid for the Bucks too. Obvious upside and potential but too much risk for me. Wiggins then Parker for me for the Bucks. Both guys have just as much star potential as Embiid and personally I love what Wiggins offers.

I'm slowly coming around to Skones view of Wiggins shooting and Ayt's view of his ball handling. Not saying at all that he's Michael Kidd Gilchrist, he's not. But he doesn't appear to the McGrady's skill set, which is what he was advertised as.

I think he goes third if the draft were today.

A couple seasons in the nba and he could grow into a monster. To me, it appears he simply lacks reps and holds all the talent. He's got the ability to be a strong defender but I don't see him as an MKG. I don't see him as a TMAC either with the lack of a pure jumper. He's his own prospect with a powerful offensive game and the ability to defend the wing at a high level.

It's clear he has a quiet personality and isn't as demonstrative on the court but that will come with age. Imo he's got more upside than any other prospect so he's still my choice at #1 by a decent margin.

I also think it's clear Wiggins is better than Parker.

Nebula1 · Post #2890 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:24 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:I forgot who said it but they made a great point that I don't trust the Bucks with building around Embiid. I think he's #1 on a big board, but Hammond and Kohl do NOT have the vision for it. Them negotiating over Henson or Sanders in trade talks scares the **** out of me. So does the idea of getting a guy that ends up being in the same tier as Henson/Sanders while letting the biggest wing prospects since Durant get away trying to be too cute.

Embiid has obvious talent but man has his stock been pushed up. He seems a little over-valued to me.

Wiggins seems to be handling the microscope very well and is starting to become a little under-valued.

wisportsfan4 · Post #2891 » by **wisportsfan4** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 4:56 pm

I've seen enough of Jahii Carson that I think he's an intriguing option at the point, and will slip late into the first most likely due to his size.

I'd love to snag Parker than have Bone trade back up (dangle Ersan/Knight?) to get him.

Carson/Wolters
Parker/
Giannis/Middleton
Henson/
Sanders/Raduljica

That's a heck of a core going forward if you ask me.

ChuckBros4Life · Post #2892 » by **ChuckBros4Life** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:08 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:I'm leary on Embiid for the Bucks too. Obvious upside and potential but too much risk for me. Wiggins then Parker for me for the Bucks. Both guys have just as much star potential as Embiid and personally I love what Wiggins offers.

I'm slowly coming around to Skones view of Wiggins shooting and Ayt's view of his ball handling. Not saying at all that he's Michael Kidd Gilchrist, he's not. But he doesn't appear to the McGrady's skill set, which is what he was advertised as.

I think he goes third if the draft were today.

A couple seasons in the nba and he could grow into a monster. To me, it appears he simply lacks reps and holds all the talent. He's got the ability to be a strong defender but I don't see him as an MKG. I don't see him as a TMAC either with the lack of a pure jumper. He's his own prospect with a powerful offensive game and the ability to defend the wing at a high level.

It's clear he has a quiet personality and isn't as demonstrative on the court but that will come with age. Imo he's got more upside than any other prospect so he's still my choice at #1 by a decent margin.

I also think it's clear Wiggins is better than Parker.

If by upside, you mean athleticism, than yes he has the most upside. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he'll never make an all-star game though. He's the guy everyone's gonna look back at and say, "wow, we really were blinded by his insane athleticism too much to make an accurate projection of what he'll become." I see him becoming a Gerald Green like player. He'll develop a reliable 3 point shot and he'll always have his great vertical to fall back on, but his talent and passiveness will keep him in a 3 and D role and he'll be comfortable with that. Out of the limelight, but a solid role player. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'd just prefer to get him halfway through this career when the hype has subsided and his value will be known. He's not a worth a top 2 pick. I might pick #3 overall and hope I'm wrong in my projection, but you simply can't pick him in front of Parker and Embiid.

SkilesTheLimit · Post #2893 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:26 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Was the blurb on Ford saying we were leaning Randle at #1 currently posted yesterday? Talk about a board riot.

Bone loves him some PF's.

No way that happens. Once these guys get in workouts, the talent will shine through. And who from the Bucks would be telling people who they liked in January?

SkilesTheLimit · Post #2894 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:27 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:I forgot who said it but they made a great point that I don't trust the Bucks with building around Embiid. I think he's #1 on a big board, but Hammond and Kohl do NOT have the vision for it. Them negotiating over Henson or Sanders in trade talks scares the **** out of me. So does the idea of getting a guy that ends up being in the same tier as Henson/Sanders while letting the biggest wing prospects since Durant get away trying to be too cute.

What if it's Morway...Would that change your confidence level?

Post #2895 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:29 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:
MiltownHawkeye wrote:I forgot who said it but they made a great point that I don't trust the Bucks with building around Embiid. I think he's #1 on a big board, but Hammond and Kohl do NOT have the vision for it. Them negotiating over Henson or Sanders in trade talks scares the **** out of me. So does the idea of getting a guy that ends up being in the same tier as Henson/Sanders while letting the biggest wing prospects since Durant get away trying to be too cute.

What if it's Morway...Would that change your confidence level?

Morway, with the title of Team President works for me. Kohl can be CEO and chairman of the board.

Johnlac1 · Post #2896 » by **Johnlac1** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:58 pm

The Bucks need a lot more help in the backcourt than they do the frontcourt. The frontcourt looks good for the future. None of the frontcourt players being pushed as saviors will be saviors. None of them will be the Lebron or Durant-like supers needed to improve. Listen closely....the Bucks have the worst!!! backcourt in the league. Smart is the smart choice.

engelmartin · Post #2897 » by **engelmartin** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:03 pm

Decent SI piece on Parker following the benching.

“He always had a calm demeanor,” Notre Dame coach Mike Brey said as his team prepared for Parker and the Blue Devils. “But even with all this heat thrown at him right way, and everybody watching, I am so impressed with his poise and calm, with all the expectations and everybody watching every little move. He’s a freakish talent. Always has been. None of the basketball stuff surprises me. He has the body to do it right away, and he has the skill. But he’s handling his business like a 22-year-old senior who’s played 100 college games. That’s what is so impressive.”

http://college-basketball.si.com/2014/01/06/duke-freshman-jabari-parker-handles-notre-dame-benching/

engelmartin · Post #2898 » by **engelmartin** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:06 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:The Bucks need a lot more help in the backcourt than they do the frontcourt. The frontcourt looks good for the future. None of the frontcourt players being pushed as saviors will be saviors. None of them will be the Lebron or Durant-like supers needed to improve. Listen closely....the Bucks have the worst!!! backcourt in the league. Smart is the smart choice.

Smart is a decent pick if we end up at 6, but even then I'd prefer Exum. Taking him ahead of Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Randle should not happen under any circumstances.

LUKE23 · Post #2899 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:07 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:The Bucks need a lot more help in the backcourt than they do the frontcourt. The frontcourt looks good for the future. None of the frontcourt players being pushed as saviors will be saviors. None of them will be the Lebron or Durant-like supers needed to improve. Listen closely....the Bucks have the worst!!! backcourt in the league. Smart is the smart choice.

At #1? I don't disagree with you that ideally it's a swingman or PG, but if we are drafting high, you take BPA. We can move other moves to fill in around that. But Smart is a clear #6 for me and LaVine is closing. Average shooter (at best), good but not elite athlete, question if he's a PG or SG.

Nebula1 · Post #2900 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:57 pm

ChuckBros4Life wrote:If by upside, you mean athleticism, than yes he has the most upside. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he'll never make an all-star game though. He's the guy everyone's gonna look back at and say, "wow, we really were blinded by his insane athleticism too much to make an accurate projection of what he'll become." I see him becoming a Gerald Green like player. He'll develop a reliable 3 point shot and he'll always have his great vertical to fall back on, but his talent and passiveness will keep him in a 3 and D role and he'll be comfortable with that. Out of the limelight, but a solid role player. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'd just prefer to get him halfway through this career when the hype has subsided and his value will be known. He's not a worth a top 2 pick. I might pick #3 overall and hope I'm wrong in my projection, but you simply can't pick him in front of Parker and Embiid.

I actually think he's the clear #1 and comfortable thinking he'll develop into a powerful player. Comparing him to Gerald Green is terribly unfair. He's more than a dunker.

I definitely like him better than Parker and Embiid is too much risk for me at #1 but I guess that's what the draft is about.

I'm thinking people want to see a more dominant game and see him as passive but I see him as unselfish at this point. I'm confident he'll grow into a more aggressive monster in time.

No way I pass on him at any draft slot.

Who would you pick?