Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

SoCalJazzFan · Post #1001 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 8:29 pm

JazzMatt, there are probably fewer than 20 players in the entire league that any team would trade a potential top 5 pick and an additional pick in the 15-25 range (depending on injuries and it is unlikely that Curry, Bogut and Iguadala remain healthy the rest of the season) in the best draft in over a decade, as well as a 6'11" 3rd overall pick still on a rookie contract with double double potential. Al Horford, as nice of a player as he is, is not one of those, IMHO, even when healthy. Horford, arguably, wasn't the best player on the Hawks until Josh Smith and Joe Johnson left, and with his injuries is a real question mark and gamble moving forward. Let's keep it real. Swap the Jazz 2014 2nd rounder (just outside of first round) with the Jazz top pick and it starts to make more sense.

JazzMatt13 · Post #1002 » by **JazzMatt13** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 12:06 am

I am sure Hawks fans would disagree. Why toss out a sure thing at cheap price, just to rebuild up someone new, when all your main players need someone now. This isn't a Jazz team that has 2-5 years to build up. They got guys who are ready now they were shooting for home court advantage in first round. They were the best team who wasn't already establish with majority of starters returning. If this team played all year, and lose in 2nd round, and come back next, they might have been a top 2 in East. Next year if they do it again, all it would take is LJ or PG going out on injury for ATL to take a top spot.

Because of that, and his amazing stats this season, I don't believe they would trade him. The only logic in what you said is because this draft is different, or at least that is what they say. If we could guarantee that we get a bottom 3 spot, aka get Parker or Wiggins, they would probably easily do it. Still, getting a guy like Horford back might be troublesome for them. But in that case, why the hell would we do it.

This is what I don't get. Fans downplay guys like they aren't worth it, but then they are willing to give up so much for them.

Bucks2585 · Post #1003 » by **Bucks2585** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:18 pm

How would this trade work for you guys, from a MIL fan?

ATL: Trades Dennis Schroder, Elton Brand
MIL: Trades Nate Wolters, Khris Middleton, and Zaza Pachulia

You guys get a PG prospect to replace Schroder who has potential as a backup to the long term option you have in Teague, another highly efficient 3 point threat in MIddleton who can and has played the 2, 3, and 4 for us, allowing him and Korver to stretch the floor, and a starting C for the rest of the year, a backup for 20-25 minutes a game next year in that he not only is a big body, but he has experience playing with Teague, Korver, and Horford, allowing the team to acclimate/adjust to each other much more easily, etc. You give up Brand for the salary to work and Schroder to allow Milwaukee a chance at a PG prospect with the athleticism to be a starter.

Post #1004 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:28 pm

Bucks2585 wrote:How would this trade work for you guys, from a MIL fan?

ATL: Trades Dennis Schroder, Elton Brand
MIL: Trades Nate Wolters, Khris Middleton, and Zaza Pachulia

Not a bad trade. helps a bit in the short term. Not much in long term though.

don't know much about Wolters, but we are pretty high on Schroeder here, even with his struggles this season.

It's a solid maybe....

(NOTE: I REALLY like Khris Middleton)

SBM · Post #1005 » by **SBM** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 11:10 pm

Would not touch that Bucks trade.

Post #1006 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Jan 8, 2014 12:07 am

There's no way I'd consider trading Schroder right now while his value is this low, not with his potential. We can't mortgage the future by overreacting to the Horford injury, I'd much rather just stand pat and finish out the season (not like we'd do much even with Al in the playoffs) without making a trade rather than pressing the panic button and trading the future for a backup C now (and I really love Zaza).

diesel50 · Post #1007 » by **diesel50** » Wed Jan 8, 2014 11:42 am

I would say that the deal is almost a wash, but here's a better trade: Trade ID #6401100

I think what ATL boy has to consider is that Middleton holds just as much potential as Shroeder and we already have a Teague/Mack backcourt that looks to be pretty good. I think Milwaukee gets to tank and they stockpile pieces for the future. Moreover, they get out of their commitment to Zaza for those who are afraid of his injuries and they get a PG of the future in Dennis.

In my revamp of the original trade, I took into consideration that Milwaukee is shopping Neal and I'm sure that he holds a special place in Ferry and Bud's heart. It still has the Middleton/Zaza part of the deal. In exchange, I offer up Brand and Jenkins to go with Dennis. Jenkins does nothing to stop the Bucks tank but he does add a guy who can shoot when healthy. Plus, his contract is not long.

SBM · Post #1008 » by **SBM** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 12:20 am

Bucks have nothing worth trading for outside of that young SF prospect ,Giannas, and Larry Sanders, but I don't like Sanders contract.

lakerhater · Post #1009 » by **lakerhater** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:32 am

GSW fan here again. Time for you ATL fans to once again tell me how far off I am in value/fit, here you go:

Barnes, Ezeli, Nedovic or Bazemore

for

Carroll, Mack, Ayon

This trade assumes a few things that could well be entirely off base in all instances and I'm sure you'll let me know:

1) The Hawks want Barnes as their starting SF through most of his future 2nd contract and think he'll develop into one of the better SFs in the association

2) The Hawks think Dennis Schroeder is ready for backup PG minutes and dealing Mack for a defensive center to help balance their roster when Horford and Ezeli are both healthy makes sense to them

3) The Hawks believe Ezeli has already done most of his rehab on GSW's dime, will recover 100% well before next season, possibly later this season and he still has a good future as a defensive center that can play alongside Horford as a rim protector and rebounder.

4) They don't need Ayon, who is reported to now be 100% healthy, with Antic and Brand taking up those minutes

Fire away.

SBM · Post #1010 » by **SBM** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:15 am

lakerhater wrote:GSW fan here again. Time for you ATL fans to once again tell me how far off I am in value/fit, here you go:

Barnes, Ezeli, Nedovic or Bazemore

for

Carroll, Mack, Ayon

This trade assumes a few things that could well be entirely off base in all instances and I'm sure you'll let me know:

1) The Hawks want Barnes as their starting SF through most of his future 2nd contract and think he'll develop into one of the better SFs in the association

2) The Hawks think Dennis Schroeder is ready for backup PG minutes and dealing Mack for a defensive center to help balance their roster when Horford and Ezeli are both healthy makes sense to them

3) The Hawks believe Ezeli has already done most of his rehab on GSW's dime, will recover 100% well before next season, possibly later this season and he still has a good future as a defensive center that can play alongside Horford as a rim protector and rebounder.

4) They don't need Ayon, who is reported to now be 100% healthy, with Antic and Brand taking up those minutes

Fire away.

I would definitely do that deal with Bazemore instead of the other guy. Carrol's main value to us is in 3 pt shooting and defense. I don't know about Barnes defense but his three point shooting is better than Carrol's. I would not mind having Barnes as my starting SF. When I look at the upcoming draft I think those guys are just as overrated as Barnes was coming out of high school. I think GS will eventually have to get rid of one of there SF's anyway.

lakerhater · Post #1011 » by **lakerhater** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:26 am

SBM wrote:
lakerhater wrote:GSW fan here again. Time for you ATL fans to once again tell me how far off I am in value/fit, here you go:

Barnes, Ezeli, Nedovic or Bazemore

for

Carroll, Mack, Ayon

This trade assumes a few things that could well be entirely off base in all instances and I'm sure you'll let me know:

1) The Hawks want Barnes as their starting SF through most of his future 2nd contract and think he'll develop into one of the better SFs in the association

2) The Hawks think Dennis Schroeder is ready for backup PG minutes and dealing Mack for a defensive center to help balance their roster when Horford and Ezeli are both healthy makes sense to them

3) The Hawks believe Ezeli has already done most of his rehab on GSW's dime, will recover 100% well before next season, possibly later this season and he still has a good future as a defensive center that can play alongside Horford as a rim protector and rebounder.

4) They don't need Ayon, who is reported to now be 100% healthy, with Antic and Brand taking up those minutes

Fire away.

I would definitely do that deal with Bazemore instead of the other guy. Carrol's main value to us is in 3 pt shooting and defense. I don't know about Barnes defense but his three point shooting is better than Carrol's. I would not mind having Barnes as my starting SF. When I look at the upcoming draft I think those guys are just as overrated as Barnes was coming out of high school. I think GS will eventually have to get rid of one of there SF's anyway.

I like it for GSW because they split Barnes into 2 more affordable pieces who are either entering or are in their early prime years and are 2 players that help solidify the W's bench for a playoff run. Ayon gives them a healthy big that does stuff Speights doesn't do and gives them their best current backup center option. It's a win now deal for GSW and a deal that helps ATL's future.

Curry/Mack
Thompson/Iguodala
Iguodala/Carroll/Green
Lee/Green/Speights/Ayon
Bogut/Ayon/Speights/O'Neal once/if healthy

Post #1012 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:48 am

I'd definitely do the deal: We don't use Ayon, Mack is nothing more than a backup (and we have Schroder), and Barnes would be an upgrade over Carroll and a better long term option.

lakerhater · Post #1013 » by **lakerhater** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:35 am

Based on the first 2 responses to my post it looks like a little value needs to be added for GSW. What pick(s) would the Hawks be willing to add that would help round this deal out for the W's?

Post #1014 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:27 am

lakerhater wrote:GSW fan here again. Time for you ATL fans to once again tell me how far off I am in value/fit, here you go:

Barnes, Ezeli, Nedovic or Bazemore

for

Carroll, Mack, Ayon

Dear God, please make this trade happen.

Ture story, two of my favorite young players in this league are Harrison Barnes and Kentavious-Caldwell Pope. If we can get H Barnes for the table scraps listed above...MAKE IT SO!!!

SBM · Post #1015 » by **SBM** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:59 am

lakerhater wrote:Based on the first 2 responses to my post it looks like a little value needs to be added for GSW. What pick(s) would the Hawks be willing to add that would help round this deal out for the W's?

I would throw in a couple of future 2nd rd picks at most, like 2015 and 2017 2nd rd picks. Barnes is not exactly the player I covet and I don't believe in throwing around 1st rd picks unless I am getting a coveted player.

Hoops Addict · Post #1016 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:22 pm

Jazz fan coming here in peace to discuss a trade. I love my boy Milsap from Louisiana......he is showing some good game this year.

A Jazz board member suggested a trade......not quite right. We own Golden State's 2014 (and 2016) 1st round picks. The Jaz suck and have the 3rd best record. A month ago GS was in the Lottery, but now the pick would be about #23.

Would the hawks agree to kanter+jefferson+2014 pick for horford+schroeder?

What would it take to get Horford???

The Jazz love Hayward......what is a fair trade for Horford? I like Schroeder, but our rookie Burke is way better and he plays the same position.

Thanks. Go Jazz go Hawks.

MaceCase · Post #1017 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:27 pm

I think a very similar trade was posted not even a page back and received negative responses so I don't see how throwing in Schröder now is somehow going to get people to improve their disposition. That 2014 pick would have to be the Jazz's own if you even want to open up a discussion that has both Horford AND Schröder going to Utah and even then I'd imagine sweetener past Kanter has to be added because Ferry values skill over size and most pundits seem to be as high or higher on Schröder's potential than Burks.

ferk · Post #1018 » by **ferk** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:04 pm

what would it take for the grizzlies to get Mack ?
any interest in Koufus ?

Post #1019 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:01 pm

ferk wrote:what would it take for the grizzlies to get Mack ?
any interest in Koufus ?

I think we would have to jump at this trade.

No disrespect to Mack, who is playing the best ball of his young career. But both are (for all intents and purposes) expiring contracts. Koufas could be retained next season without him becoming a Free Agent first. He's a serviceable body at a position of need. (Center) For the short and long-term.

While Mack is a serviceable body at a position where we have plenty of depth. (PG)

If Mack continues his above average play, I can't see any scenario where he returns next season. But we could retain Koufas or simply jettison him next year, because his contract for 2014-2015 is not guaranteed.

raferfenix · Post #1020 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:19 pm

Hey Hawks fans, how are you valuing the Nets' pick these days? They're at 15/22 but I don't know if they are closer to getting it together or having the wheels fall off.

From a potential trade standpoint I'm remembering the rumors that the Hawks liked Sanders from last year, and am thinking about whether a package based on him might be able to yield a high risk / high reward pick like that.