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[josh_nuggets]

I would love to get danny green for andre

[The Rebel]

I never had a good feeling about "iggy" .....my reason has more to do with dedication than contracts. Afflalo just seemed to be much more dedicated to Denver. Took until we had 57 wins before I decided to give iggy a chance....then he just went and spent that capital.

He was a rental, a pretty cool rental at the time -but that's what happens when you rent your future out.

All I can hope is karma comes back to bite him in the butt.

Would signing iggy put us in the luxury tax?

I believe it would have put them right at the luxury tax line, before they used the MLE, LLE, or of course the trade bringing back Foye.

[pickaxe]

Would signing iggy put us in the luxury tax?

Not sure.....haven't studied it that way yet...

If we were trying to avoid the luxury tax, then that in a microcosm is a good move ....the follow-up move to that move is the part I'm still hanging on. It's like they never planned for if Iggy decided to sign with any other team let alone our close competition. Foye is a not a plan to replace Iggy or Afflalo. Nate is not a plan to replace Iggy or Afflalo....especially once we'e traded Miller.

What was the plan b?

There obviously was no plan b, they expected iggy to resign. As said above^^ If iggy was still working out with team mates and what TC called his assistant gm. Why think back up. Because to them it looked pretty clear he would re sign.

Just the way I operate....until something is sealed and signed in ink it's not certain......and until it's certain, all possibilities need to be considered.

At any rate, I believe this team has been extremely lucky in terms of not losing half its value as soon as Melo left. The very fact that the situation Denver in is so rare, the extra due diligence is mandatory. They made a gamble by renting Iggy, which in turn should cause them to think if it does not work out how signing him and sending Afflalo away affected the team makeup, as well as how it would affect the team if Iggy walked and the team neither had Iggy or Afflalo.

Mid-2007 we gained a rental of sorts. By the time that rental left we had JR and soon thereafter brought Afflalo in. Never even noticed Allen Iverson was gone.

[Powder Blue]

Why Faried gets pulled by Shaw often....via Zach Lowe

Kenneth Faried's Post Defense
Faried has always been a minus defender in just about every sense, but he's been alarmingly easy to score on in the post this season. Opposing players have shot 55 percent on post-ups against Faried, the 10th-highest (i.e., worst) mark among 121 players to have faced at least 30 post-ups, per Synergy Sports. (The same mark would have ranked 161st out of 166 players who faced at least 50 post-ups last season.)

The fighting spirit that makes him such a great offensive rebounder just doesn't carry over to post battles on the other end. Faried usually faces a size disadvantage, but opponents can back him down, stand him straight up, and slither right around him without much of a challenge.

[pickaxe]

Interesting......it would seem to me like Faried, if applying himself in the post defense could actually cause quite a few "bothers" as Hastings puts it. Then you just need Mozzy to be alert and grab the altered shots when possible.

Now when Gallo is back in there....Faried might be able to roam a little bit and be the collector.

[cold_cowboy]

Why Faried gets pulled by Shaw often....via Zach Lowe

Kenneth Faried's Post Defense
Faried has always been a minus defender in just about every sense, but he's been alarmingly easy to score on in the post this season. Opposing players have shot 55 percent on post-ups against Faried, the 10th-highest (i.e., worst) mark among 121 players to have faced at least 30 post-ups, per Synergy Sports. (The same mark would have ranked 161st out of 166 players who faced at least 50 post-ups last season.)

The fighting spirit that makes him such a great offensive rebounder just doesn't carry over to post battles on the other end. Faried usually faces a size disadvantage, but opponents can back him down, stand him straight up, and slither right around him without much of a challenge.

i saw this as well recently. there was a large list and as i was scrolling down, it got a bit disappointing.

[The Rebel]

Article on Gallo almost qualifying for the Nuggets to start receiving insurance payouts, although there is some other limited information on his recovery.

Gallinari has steadily improved in his on-court work lately, doing some running and working on some lateral movement. There is no timetable for his return.

"I don't know how close he is or not," Nuggets coach Brian Shaw said. "Obviously he would be a welcomed addition, but I'll save my excitement for when it gets really, really close (to his return), whenever that is."

Nuggets on verge of paying discount rate for Danilo Gallinari - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_24 ... z2pp8MN4sc

[nomansland]

Not sure.....haven't studied it that way yet...

If we were trying to avoid the luxury tax, then that in a microcosm is a good move ....the follow-up move to that move is the part I'm still hanging on. It's like they never planned for if Iggy decided to sign with any other team let alone our close competition. Foye is a not a plan to replace Iggy or Afflalo. Nate is not a plan to replace Iggy or Afflalo....especially once we'e traded Miller.

What was the plan b?

There obviously was no plan b, they expected iggy to resign. As said above^^ If iggy was still working out with team mates and what TC called his assistant gm. Why think back up. Because to them it looked pretty clear he would re sign.

Just the way I operate....until something is sealed and signed in ink it's not certain......and until it's certain, all possibilities need to be considered.

At any rate, I believe this team has been extremely lucky in terms of not losing half its value as soon as Melo left. The very fact that the situation Denver in is so rare, the extra due diligence is mandatory. They made a gamble by renting Iggy, which in turn should cause them to think if it does not work out how signing him and sending Afflalo away affected the team makeup, as well as how it would affect the team if Iggy walked and the team neither had Iggy or Afflalo.

Mid-2007 we gained a rental of sorts. By the time that rental left we had JR and soon thereafter brought Afflalo in. Never even noticed Allen Iverson was gone.

Re: Plan B

One of the things that bothers people about iggythemole is that he strung the Nugs along for a while to the point that when he made his decision there were not a lot of "Plan B's" left. So I don't necessarily fault the Nugs' management for that.

[josh_nuggets]

Apparently the kings offered a choice of Jimmer or Thornton plus a 2nd rounder for andre miller.

[pickaxe]

I'd go for Jimmer based on his high BBIQ and shot ability. Match him with Javale and we might have an extremely deadly bench all of a sudden because we now have a shot to match Steph Curry and a brain to maximize Javale.

Problem with Thornton is he's a black hole on offense and Jimmer has a better shot to space the floor. We can cruise a little on defense assuming Jimmer can kind of break the ice.

[pickaxe]

There obviously was no plan b, they expected iggy to resign. As said above^^ If iggy was still working out with team mates and what TC called his assistant gm. Why think back up. Because to them it looked pretty clear he would re sign.

Just the way I operate....until something is sealed and signed in ink it's not certain......and until it's certain, all possibilities need to be considered.

At any rate, I believe this team has been extremely lucky in terms of not losing half its value as soon as Melo left. The very fact that the situation Denver in is so rare, the extra due diligence is mandatory. They made a gamble by renting Iggy, which in turn should cause them to think if it does not work out how signing him and sending Afflalo away affected the team makeup, as well as how it would affect the team if Iggy walked and the team neither had Iggy or Afflalo.

Mid-2007 we gained a rental of sorts. By the time that rental left we had JR and soon thereafter brought Afflalo in. Never even noticed Allen Iverson was gone.

I fault them, forgive them, and want to see


Re: Plan B

One of the things that bothers people about iggythemole is that he strung the Nugs along for a while to the point that when he made his decision there were not a lot of "Plan B's" left. So I don't necessarily fault the Nugs' management for that.

I fault them, forgive them, and want to see the sg gap filled...... once Iggy was gone the challenge was acquiring an sg that could either replace Iggy defensively, Afflalo offensively, or even upgrade on both. Foye, at least the downside Foye was a step down in both categories.

I guess it can just amount to a black eye that needs to heal.....so long as that eye doesn't start to get worse.

[pickaxe]

I could see his shot range and ability really spacing the floor for us if the starters don't get it going initially.

Pick and rolls would be fascinating and I think working with Javale gives Jimmer plenty of firepower to do more than just be a spot up shooter....

[eathb_au]

I thought this new topic meant a trade has occurred.

[Teens On Acid]

What we lost in Iguodala I cant really see us replacing anytime soon. A 2/3 that is outstanding on defense and can handle the ball. Thats what pushed us to our win total last season..that defense push pass move mentality. His dedication to defend was amazing..he wanted that ball..thats what I see missing in our games this year...the chase down isnt as urgent..the want and need to own the ball just doesnt seem to be there...so if we pick anyone up in this whole Mr Minutes saga..I hope its someone who loves hounding for the ball...

Surely we should be looking at Philli again as trade partners?

[The Rebel]

What we lost in Iguodala I cant really see us replacing anytime soon. A 2/3 that is outstanding on defense and can handle the ball. Thats what pushed us to our win total last season..that defense push pass move mentality. His dedication to defend was amazing..he wanted that ball..thats what I see missing in our games this year...the chase down isnt as urgent..the want and need to own the ball just doesnt seem to be there...so if we pick anyone up in this whole Mr Minutes saga..I hope its someone who loves hounding for the ball...

Surely we should be looking at Philli again as trade partners?

Gallo was the better creator and just a slightly worse defender, the hype of Igoudala is out of hand. Sure he wanted the ball in his hands, to the detriment of his teammates. Fact is this team has been a 500 team without gallo for the last 2 1/2 years, yet he gets no credit for last year, it all goes to Iggy. While Iggy maybe added 4 or 5 wins last year, he was not the difference maker that everybody pretends he was now.

While I do not feel like doing it now, I swear some people should go back and look at some of the threads from last year, people were ready to dump him by January, he got hot at the end of the season when Gallo and Faried were out, and he was allowed to have the ball as much as he wanted, but up until Chandler got back from injury the defense was average, the offense was below Karl standards, and we were 35 games into a terrible start of a season.

people who point to GS being so different with Igoudala on the team really need to look at that team as compared to the Nuggets to see why they are so different with him on the court. They really have no defense at the 1-3 slots without Iggy, they also do not have anybody on the team (starting or the bench) outside of Curry that can create for themselves or others, they need a guy like Igoudala terribly.

as for trading for someone else from the 76ers, my question is who? While Turner is an upgrade over Foye (of course we have 2 guys available and on the roster that are upgrades as well) Turner is not good at outside shooting, he is not as good on defense as Igoudala, nor Chandler, nor a healthy Gallo, he struggles without the ball in his hands, and he is a few months away from getting a contract that overpays him. I like Young, but Young is a combo forward, and the Nuggets have plenty of forwards, they need a SG and they need a 3rd string center, not another forward.

[The Rebel]

I thought this new topic meant a trade has occurred.

I agree, why make a thread to talk about a player that is not even on the roster and is just a part of a rumored offered that is out there? I am combining it with the daily thoughts thread.

[Teens On Acid]

What we lost in Iguodala I cant really see us replacing anytime soon. A 2/3 that is outstanding on defense and can handle the ball. Thats what pushed us to our win total last season..that defense push pass move mentality. His dedication to defend was amazing..he wanted that ball..thats what I see missing in our games this year...the chase down isnt as urgent..the want and need to own the ball just doesnt seem to be there...so if we pick anyone up in this whole Mr Minutes saga..I hope its someone who loves hounding for the ball...

Surely we should be looking at Philli again as trade partners?

Gallo was the better creator and just a slightly worse defender, the hype of Igoudala is out of hand. Sure he wanted the ball in his hands, to the detriment of his teammates. Fact is this team has been a 500 team without gallo for the last 2 1/2 years, yet he gets no credit for last year, it all goes to Iggy. While Iggy maybe added 4 or 5 wins last year, he was not the difference maker that everybody pretends he was now.

While I do not feel like doing it now, I swear some people should go back and look at some of the threads from last year, people were ready to dump him by January, he got hot at the end of the season when Gallo and Faried were out, and he was allowed to have the ball as much as he wanted, but up until Chandler got back from injury the defense was average, the offense was below Karl standards, and we were 35 games into a terrible start of a season.

people who point to GS being so different with Igoudala on the team really need to look at that team as compared to the Nuggets to see why they are so different with him on the court. They really have no defense at the 1-3 slots without Iggy, they also do not have anybody on the team (starting or the bench) outside of Curry that can create for themselves or others, they need a guy like Igoudala terribly.

as for trading for someone else from the 76ers, my question is who? While Turner is an upgrade over Foye (of course we have 2 guys available and on the roster that are upgrades as well) Turner is not good at outside shooting, he is not as good on defense as Igoudala, nor Chandler, nor a healthy Gallo, he struggles without the ball in his hands, and he is a few months away from getting a contract that overpays him. I like Young, but Young is a combo forward, and the Nuggets have plenty of forwards, they need a SG and they need a 3rd string center, not another forward.

make no mistake, I know how important Gallo is to us. What i was saying is that defensive mindset, that urgency to chase the ball down is what's lacking, and has been for a while. I've seen too many times in the last 10/15 games rebounds just bouncing to our opponents while our guys just stand there flat footed watching. I don't want Iguodala back on this team but i do want someone who's going to push our D to be stronger and play with a sense of "that's my ball, you can't have it."

Philly? I'd like to target Hawes or Wrotten..i know it's highly unlikely, but that's who i'd be going after. Young would be amazing and i'm sure we could move one of our forwards to Philly to help them tank better if Young was available.

disclaimer...i was drinking vodka and playing 2k13 when i posted last night

[josh_nuggets]

Alex Kennedy Twitter : Source confirms that the Nuggets have shopped Andre Miller. However, rival executives say Denver may keep Miller until closer to deadline.

I would be mad if nuggets didn't trade YMCA dre by the end of the week, we don't need a disgruntled 37yrold in the locker room with young players. It would bring the team down.

[Teens On Acid]

Alex Kennedy Twitter : Source confirms that the Nuggets have shopped Andre Miller. However, rival executives say Denver may keep Miller until closer to deadline.

I would be mad if nuggets didn't trade YMCA dre by the end of the week, we don't need a disgruntled 37yrold in the locker room with young players. It would bring the team down.

i think we're past that point. i'd be surprised if Miller is anywhere near the team right now.
but yea, i agree..make the move already

[josh_nuggets]

Is there interest from the timberwolves on andre miller? I think I saw something on hoopshype