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Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:40 am

Before getting into the nitty gritty of the deal, here are the exact terms as they have been reported.


Cleveland Cavaliers acquire:


- Luol Deng (expiring this year, $14.275 million full-season salary)


Chicago Bulls acquire:


- Andrew Bynum (functionally no money since he will presumably be cut right away. If not, $6 million this year and $12 million next year if they elect to keep him)


- The right to swap picks in the 2015 draft if both teams make the playoffs and Chicago finishes with the better record


- Sacramento’s pick owed to Cleveland. According to our database, the pick is top-12 protected this season and top-10 for 2015-2017. If the pick falls in the top 10 each of those seasons, it becomes a 2017 second-round pick.


- Portland’s 2015 second round pick


- Portland’s 2016 second round pick


For the Bulls


In effect, evaluating the trade for the Bulls centers on the idea of whether Luol Deng would have returned to the team once he hits free agency this summer. There are plenty of reasons to expect that he would have left, particularly considering the medical procedure last year. If the team was convinced Deng would head elsewhere after this season, they did a pretty good job moving him. Plus, they avoid potentially overpaying him, which could have been rough with so many other large commitments.


In terms of the assets they acquired, it seems fair to effectively write off the 2015 pick swap since it does not seem super likely that the situation will present itself or yield a big value if it happens. The most it could swing would be from #30 to #15 which would be valuable but it seems unlikely that the Bulls and Cavs will each be that good. Honestly, I am not convinced that Deng stays (more on that later!) and Cleveland’s spot as a playoff team is far from secure either way. Even then, we will have to see what Chicago looks like a year from now as well.


The pick from Sacramento is tantalizing but not super impressive due to the protection. The big factor here is the fact that it reverts to a 2017 second rounder rather than being unprotected if it stretches out that far so the upside is much lower. Still, the Kings are trying to get better so that could end up being a near-miss lottery pick in a season or two. Not bad.


The second rounders are extra swings at prospects and that’s fine.


It may turn out that the biggest asset the Bulls got by trading Luol Deng came from how it affects their own 2014 first round pick. With Rose and Deng out of the picture, the Bulls are clearly not looking to win this season and I would not be surprised to see both Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson miss meaningful time down the road. A Tom Thibodeau team can still make the playoffs, though it seems like the edict is pretty clear at this point. In a lottery this strong, that pick could be huge. At the same point, if that ends up being the best thing they get out of trading a player with value like Deng, they likely could have gotten more from another desperate team before the deadline.


The other meaningful benefit comes from the luxury tax. Just this weekend, I was talking with another member of the NBA media about how strange it was that so few teams were just over the luxury tax line and the Bulls managed to get themselves under via this trade. If they stay below it next season, it effectively removes them from the destructive “repeater tax” for the remainder of this CBA. If those savings eventually make their way to the team, it could be a huge benefit.


Grade for the Bulls: B+


For the Cavaliers


In an incredibly downtrodden Eastern Conference, even a tired and worn down half-season from Deng could be enough to make the playoffs. Unfortunately, the Cavs were worse than most people thought before making the trade and will still need plenty to go right in order to make the playoffs this season. Whiffing on so many draft picks made it much harder, but Deng turns one of their biggest weaknesses into a strength when he is on the court. If both he and Kyrie Irving can stay healthy, they might find a way to get above teams not necessarily interested in winning this season, a group that likely includes Chicago now.


What makes matters worse is that this could produce enough pressure to have management overpay Deng when he becomes a free agent this summer, which would actually be the worst of both worlds. While I love Deng as a player and competitor, his value to teams will erode as he gets older and he appears destined to get a bigger contract than his play will warrant for his early thirties. Plus, Cleveland had cap space to work with anyway so they are relying on Deng taking a “hometown discount” for a team he plays with for a few months that also does not lead to him getting overpaid. A risky proposition.


The bigger question is why. Like the Charlotte Bobcats and Sacramento Kings to a degree, the Cavaliers appear to be going all-in at exactly the wrong time. This draft looks to be the best in a decade and there just is not enough talent beyond Irving on this Cleveland team to make any noise in the postseason even if they make it in.


At this point, the second-biggest competitive advantage in the NBA is competent ownership. By wanting to win now, Dan Gilbert’s team lost assets to be better for a year that means very little to the long-term arc of the team. Years ago I used the term “Timetable of Contention” to describe when a team would be best as the lens with which to view potential transactions. For the Cavs, that should be a few seasons off in the distance before and after this trade.


While I do not think that the assets they gave up were particularly valuable, they certainly made more sense for this core than worsening their own draft pick, spending more money, and not getting any long-term assets when the long term should be the focus of the front office.


Grade for the Cavs: D-

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Post#2 » by malgus » Tue Jan 7, 2014 2:44 pm

And so the Bulls enter the crowded line at the tanking table in the east and the Cav's continue their quest to try and barely make the playoffs or earn the right to get squashed by Indiana or Miami in the second round.
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Post#3 » by Walla86 » Tue Jan 7, 2014 3:57 pm

I think the Cav's might be trying to look like a more desirable destination for LeBron to comeback too. Having a competent SF could show that the Cav's would work well with LeBron. This is just my thinking, but they might just be crazy as well.
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Post#4 » by SixthFan » Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:27 pm

Seems a little crazy to expect that you would be building around the possibilty that the best player in the league, after leaving your team, is going to come back. Even if this does happen the chances are still too slim to actually be planning for it. You don't build every poker hand for a royal flush.

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Post#5 » by rousa27 » Wed Jan 8, 2014 12:17 am

you should be analyzing the trade itself, not what direction a particular team should go based on your opinion of what's best for them. cap relief and a few mildly-valuable picks vs a potential rental of an all-star. objectively stated, the Cavs won the deal. subjectively, the Cavs want to make the playoffs (for whatever reason) and they went a long way in achieving their goal while Chicago wanted to maintain flexibility for the future, which they did. thus, it's a win-win.
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Post#6 » by VintageVince » Wed Jan 8, 2014 5:58 pm

Walla86 wrote:I think the Cav's might be trying to look like a more desirable destination for LeBron to comeback too. Having a competent SF could show that the Cav's would work well with LeBron. This is just my thinking, but they might just be crazy as well.

No way will LeBron go back to Cleaveland, but even if, LeBron also plays sf...
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Post#7 » by nikster » Wed Jan 8, 2014 6:40 pm

rousa27 wrote:you should be analyzing the trade itself, not what direction a particular team should go based on your opinion of what's best for them. cap relief and a few mildly-valuable picks vs a potential rental of an all-star. objectively stated, the Cavs won the deal. subjectively, the Cavs want to make the playoffs (for whatever reason) and they went a long way in achieving their goal while Chicago wanted to maintain flexibility for the future, which they did. thus, it's a win-win.

what? thats exactly what an analysis of a trade requires:An opinion of the direction of the team should take, and the long term effects of a trade.
A good decision isnt about the ownership getting what it wanted out of the trade, its about whats best for the team long term. Who cares if the Cavs want to make the playoff this year. whats really going to matter is the talent they can surround Irving with when he is in his prime, or if they can get him enough talent to make it out the 1st round.
If they re-sign Deng, they're going to be over-paying a player on the downside of his career while Kyrie is in his prime. If they lose him as a FA, than all this trade accomplished was a first round exit (if they even make the playoffs), loss of assets and a lower pick in the greatest draft in a decade.
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Post#8 » by HeartStrong07 » Wed Jan 8, 2014 10:32 pm

I believe this trade is about getting Irving a running buddy now ... having someone he can effectively play off of is better for his own mental and physical health. Making a run at the playoffs, making it or not, or leaving in the first round, is a good experience for Irving now .... Deng makes this scenario possible.
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Post#9 » by JAGOHIO » Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:51 am

Why is everyone so concerned about Deng's age? Sure he has played a lot of BB but I don't see too many NBA players who totally lose it at age 30-31, which is where he would be at three years into a contract extension. That is easily within the time period that the young Cavs should be in their prime The Cavs have the CAP room to easily pay Deng in excess of $15M/yr and still not have to worry about the luxury tax. Their current biggest contract will expire after next year and Varejao is a useful player who could likely be re-signed for a reasonable salary at that time. If Deng signed a four year contract with the Cavs he would be expiring just about the same time that any big contracts for their current youngsters became a burden. If the youngsters plus Deng are not good enough to compete, it would most likely be because the young core flatlined. They should know that by 2015 or 2016 and at that point they wouldn't be worth signing to big extensions. Grant would still have multiple first rounders plus Irving and Deng to move forward with. D- jsut doesn't seem like it's even close to a fair grade.
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Post#10 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:49 am

I think this analysis ignores the fact that the OKC model has worked for OKC but not many other teams. There are far more teams like Sacramento/Minnesota than there are OKC's in the league. There is a danger to establishing a culture of losing. There is also the Indiana model where young players develop, get into the playoffs and progress over a number of seasons.

Deng is a top five player, who plays a position that was clearly Cleveland's greatest need, and the Cavs got him for essentially three second round picks and expiring contract. No objective analysis could conclude that trade is a D- from the Cavs perspective. With forty-eight games left, the Cavs are four games back from the sixth seed right now. We shall see. I suspect the author may be eating some crow.
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Post#11 » by JAGOHIO » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:58 am

The problem with people talking about the OKC model is that in fact there is no such thing. Presti is just following the prinviples he learned and helped develop in SA. The fact that he manged to draft very well in his first three drafts is more happenstance than the entire plan. Good teams aquire a core star or two via the draft when they start a rebuild. After that they use acumulated trade assets and opportunistic trades to finish the build. That is the SA way of doing things. Presti was able to shortcut the process by being fortunate enough to draft Durant and then a couple of other stars in his first three drafts. That shortcut the process for OKC. The term used to describe this mythical process is the OKC model, but it is reality the time proven process Presti took from his time in SA. The proof of this is in the fact that Presti has been proactive in keeping a cache of draft picks while developing young prospects and waiting to for the right time to make deals. If you look closely you will see that Grant is doing the same but simply wasn't fortunate enough to have drafted in the right position in the right drafts. That just makes his time line take a little longer.
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Post#12 » by immortalone23 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:17 am

JAGOHIO wrote:The problem with people talking about the OKC model is that in fact there is no such thing. Presti is just following the prinviples he learned and helped develop in SA. The fact that he manged to draft very well in his first three drafts is more happenstance than the entire plan. Good teams aquire a core star or two via the draft when they start a rebuild. After that they use acumulated trade assets and opportunistic trades to finish the build. That is the SA way of doing things. Presti was able to shortcut the process by being fortunate enough to draft Durant and then a couple of other stars in his first three drafts. That shortcut the process for OKC. The term used to describe this mythical process is the OKC model, but it is reality the time proven process Presti took from his time in SA. The proof of this is in the fact that Presti has been proactive in keeping a cache of draft picks while developing young prospects and waiting to for the right time to make deals. If you look closely you will see that Grant is doing the same but simply wasn't fortunate enough to have drafted in the right position in the right drafts. That just makes his time line take a little longer.

This. So do you think Cleveland should have tried for a high pick in the draft? Because at the top there is: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, and Sacramento.

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Post#13 » by Walla86 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:52 pm

VintageVince wrote:
Walla86 wrote:I think the Cav's might be trying to look like a more desirable destination for LeBron to comeback too. Having a competent SF could show that the Cav's would work well with LeBron. This is just my thinking, but they might just be crazy as well.

No way will LeBron go back to Cleaveland, but even if, LeBron also plays sf...

Late reply but my thinking as that the Cave's wanted a SF with some talent to showcase what it could be like if LeBron came back. Doesn't seem to have worked though lol

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