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Re: If you took over as GM today, what would you do? 

Post#421 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:30 pm

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barelyawake wrote:The fact that Oak got injured before that season started should have been anticipated? Why? Because of age? Of course, all the other players who dominate despite age should have been anticipated as well? It's pretty easy to be a detractor. Most basketball teams fail. If you are only a detractor, you will live a long life. It's harder actually playing for real money.

Yes, the Okafor/Ariza trade would have been good minus the injury.

Wasn't it you who called Harrington "the best backup forward in basketball" -- hmmm?

Wasn't it you who applauded the signing of Eric Maynor?

Those who criticized the foolish, wasteful Okariza trade weren't "detractors", whatever that means. Every one of us had and has ideas -- no doubt some good and others not so good -- about what this franchise needed and still needs to do to actually turn around its miserable past. Starting w/ showing the door to the guy who created a decade of that misery.

So, no, without Okafor's injury it was still an awful trade. With it, it's worse because it also cost us a round 1 pick -- just so we could have a player, any player, who could start at the 5 on opening night!

Oh, and actually "most basketball teams fail" is false. As many do well as do badly. It's a bell-shaped curve. You're just consoling yourself for failure by imagining you're part of a crowd of failures. Nope. Ernie stands alone; there's no GM in the league who has kept his job with such a record of failure.


Lol payit, you really do need a friend in real life beyond the numbers. Perhaps then you could stop being an annoying cuss who needed five pages of explanation to understand sarcasm. Actual human interaction is a healthy thing... especially during the holidays.

Keep misrepresenting my posts all you wish. I wanted Marco in the offseason (who is having a stellar season, hell I wanted him back in the draft). And I gave the signing of Maynor a C. And I said Harrington, when healthy three years ago, was the best back-up power forward. I said if healthy, his acquisition for the price was good. We obviously didn't get that Harrington. If I had my way, Drummond would have been on the roster. Its apparent from your posts that you have little left to hope for in life, but some of us fans get optimistic during the offseason. We overestimate wins and such.

And every team that doesn't win a title failed, since that should be every team's goal. So, yes, most teams fail.

PS Have you ever once given an opinion about what should be done? Several posters have called you on merely chiding Ernie but never offering any positive ideas. This thread is about what should be done now. And I don't hear many ideas in that regard that are remotely realistic -- like fire selling the team during a playoff run.

PPS Back to the aim of the thread, Monroe is not the answer.

PPPS The big idea from this board this offseason was to give tens of millions to Ersan. Where's the self-deprecation on that front? Aren't you glad we didn't lock ourselves into that mess?

I've given about a zillion opinions about what should be done. By no means deficient on that front.

Go back and reread what you wrote about Harrington, why don't you? And if you called Maynor a C, that's bad enough that you get no credit. It was pretty obviously a terrible decision, i.e. like signing Harrington even at a veteran minimum contract.

OTOH, if you wanted us to draft Drummond over Beal, that's in your favor. Can you point to the post where you said that please? I'd love to read it and give you your props. And you are correct to want to steer clear of Monroe (i.e. at the big $$ he's going to attract).

As to "friends" and what to "hope for in life" -- try not to make it personal, buddy, but since you did I'm delighted to report that I'm lucky enough to have much much much to be happy about on those fronts. The holiday season is over, but all the same I hope you do too! :)

Above all, I hope you have some area of activity where you achieve excellence -- this one sure ain't it. :wink:
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Re: If you took over as GM today, what would you do? 

Post#422 » by Kanyewest » Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:39 pm

Rafael122 wrote:As for a coach, I'd actually prefer a retread over and up and comer. A lot of people here were Dave Joerger fans but he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Regardless of the injuries, statistically they are worse than last year. Give me someone from the Van Gundy/Pop tree, or George Karl. I'd actually keep Wittman on staff if possible, players seem to listen to him.


I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.
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Post#423 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:52 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:As for a coach, I'd actually prefer a retread over and up and comer. A lot of people here were Dave Joerger fans but he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Regardless of the injuries, statistically they are worse than last year. Give me someone from the Van Gundy/Pop tree, or George Karl. I'd actually keep Wittman on staff if possible, players seem to listen to him.


I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.


Or both...
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Post#424 » by Rafael122 » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:01 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:As for a coach, I'd actually prefer a retread over and up and comer. A lot of people here were Dave Joerger fans but he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Regardless of the injuries, statistically they are worse than last year. Give me someone from the Van Gundy/Pop tree, or George Karl. I'd actually keep Wittman on staff if possible, players seem to listen to him.


I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.


I was in a rush when I posted that, but my point is sometimes these up and coming guys don't work out, and you just wasted 3 years. I'd feel much more comfortable with a guy like Budenholzer who was with Pop for years than Dave Joerger. I think he was hired more b/c he was a stats guy and was cheaper than Hollins.
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Post#425 » by Dat2U » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:20 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:As for a coach, I'd actually prefer a retread over and up and comer. A lot of people here were Dave Joerger fans but he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Regardless of the injuries, statistically they are worse than last year. Give me someone from the Van Gundy/Pop tree, or George Karl. I'd actually keep Wittman on staff if possible, players seem to listen to him.


I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.


Or both...


Or, Memphis just really misses Marc Gasol & Zach Randolph is in a steep decline.
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Post#426 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:36 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.


Or both...


Or, Memphis just really misses Marc Gasol & Zach Randolph is in a steep decline.


Also a good point, could be Gasol, Randolph, coaching or all of the above. And Tony Allen's D is off this year as well.
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Post#427 » by barelyawake » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:37 pm

PIF, I only mention friends because you come off extremely angry all the time with little understanding about how humans interact. You wrote a long post on Christmas Day, a time when others are with loved ones. You spent it hunched over a computer writing a novel to make yourself feel good. I assumed because no one in reality does so. I was merely looking out for you. Heart attacks are a killer.

In terms of track records, you signed up here about a week and a half ago. I can tell you who Dat, CCJ, Doc, Raf, Ruz, Nate and Kevin wanted to draft almost decade ago. You don't know my track record to talk about it.

That said, answer the main question. If you were GM, what would you do today? I'll take my answer off the air since I'm adding my first name ever to my ignore list.
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Post#428 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 9, 2014 6:20 pm

What would I do, you ask? Try to keep my job - just like Ernie. So, I'm not going to upset the huckleberry cart. I'd make small moves to get players I think are undervalued. Sign Seth Curry. Trade for the player who was picked after Rice - Withey. I keep my 2014 2nd rounder, because I'm going to have to fill roster spots from a bunch of Ernie's kids no longer being with the team - and I'm hoping someone like Delon Wright or Spencer Dinwiddie or Hairston from UNC (ironically in the same situation that Rice was last year) slips. Am I going to make a big trade this season? Probably not - because again, I want to keep this sweet job - and I do that by making the playoffs. In the offseason, we'll figure out a plan and try to sell it to big little Ted - but I also want a contract extension, so... Yeah, I'm a sellout, but I got financial security baby.

PIF, this thread is about what you'd do as GM; not how pristine your track record is.
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Post#429 » by fishercob » Thu Jan 9, 2014 6:40 pm

Gettin nasty in here...
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Post#430 » by hands11 » Thu Jan 9, 2014 7:29 pm

fishercob wrote:Gettin nasty in here...


Probably to be expected. The standard he sucks, we suck, medical staff sucks, isn't flying like it did now that players are showing progress and the team is winning more. The med staff/trainers seem to be doing a much better job catching things early and getting players right before they return.

Its an interesting time for the team. They seem to be gelling regarding line ups and rotations. Booker and Ves are playing better. Wall and Beal are adding wrinkles. Nene finally looks like he could sustain the minutes he is getting. I could see something just over .500 ball just from what they have. And from there, I can see clear upside if they start getting more from say an Otto. Or Glen Rice returns. If things break right, I would see them 3 games over .500

All the while the trade deadline gets closer and you have a coach and GM on the final year of their contracts.

Things could go so many different ways.

But so far, they seem to be achieving several of their goals.
- On the path to the playoffs which was #1
- They are winning more on the road, even if they are losing more at home.
- They have found a way to win without Nene playing 35 mins a night.
- Same with Beal
- Added PnR to the offense. Wall can now us a pick. Still waiting on EG
- Beal adding wrinkles like 2 man game with Gortat
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Post#431 » by montestewart » Thu Jan 9, 2014 7:45 pm

fishercob wrote:Gettin nasty in here...

Maybe need a poll for the All-Trash Talking Poster Starting Five. I'll have to up my game.

PS: I think "EG SUCKS!" still has some traction.
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Post#432 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 9, 2014 10:32 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
I'm not sure if Joerger is struggling or if Memphis just misses Marc Gasol.


Or both...


Or, Memphis just really misses Marc Gasol & Zach Randolph is in a steep decline.


I think all three, but Joerger's past performance is IMO highly predictive of his future succesd. Memphis will make trades, but Joerger is not powerful or secure enough to move player on his reputation.

I think Randolph to the Wizards should be explored.

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Post#433 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 9, 2014 10:34 pm

J,R. Smith ... I would consider in trade, too.

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Post#434 » by verbal8 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:44 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:J,R. Smith ... I would consider in trade, too.

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Not every player has to be a boy scout, but JR Smith is just too undisciplined to be worth the risk of taking on his contract.

I would want no part of this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-ben ... 12473.html
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Post#435 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:49 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:J,R. Smith ... I would consider in trade, too.

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Not every player has to be a boy scout, but JR Smith is just too undisciplined to be worth the risk of taking on his contract.

I would want no part of this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-ben ... 12473.html

It'd also be nice if the player is a good player. JR Smith is a bad player.
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Post#436 » by doclinkin » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:13 pm

Prioritize my draft board to select linemen, commit to building the offensive line and defensive line first. I want the bar none best in the league on both sides of the line of scrimmage. You give me that and we have a championship coming.

Protecting your franchise quarterback ought to be the top priority-- not sure why this team hasn't learned the lessons of their Superbowl history, but if you are willing to dump 5 draft picks to select a guy you damn well better make sure you are able to protect him. Let him break the pocket when he chooses to, not out of necessity to save his life.

Defensive front seven are key as well. I'm not sold on Orakpo, he's overrated and not versatile. In past years you heard him complain that he 'should' have higher sack totals, but the refs don't call holding on players matched against him. Look, Rak, refs will begin to call that more if they think you were an actual threat to make the sack. Power Through. If you are able to sack a guy despite being held then they'll be more likely to call it when it happens. Get me linebackers or even DEs who will play on Special Teams as well as in the trenches. No prima donna specialists. Rather keep Rob Jackson or look elsewhere and upgrade in the middle, not overpay for Rak. Sink my dollars into the D line, upgrade there.

If you can put pressure on their guy with your front three, if you can stand up their RBs at the line and make them bounce outside then you free Haslett to come up with all the crazy stunts he wants to hatchet their guys to the ground. Give me two more Barry Cofields and give them a couple back-ups of similar quality so you can bear injuries and cycle 'em in and out, keep fresh.

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Post#437 » by verbal8 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:15 pm

Ruzious wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:J,R. Smith ... I would consider in trade, too.

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Not every player has to be a boy scout, but JR Smith is just too undisciplined to be worth the risk of taking on his contract.

I would want no part of this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-ben ... 12473.html

It'd also be nice if the player is a good player. JR Smith is a bad player.


Over his career offensively he has been the "what-if" version of Nick Young. What if Nick Young, could rebound decently, get an assist occasionally, took more 3s and could get a steal every now and then. A bargain at what the Knicks were paying him the last 2 years.

With his knee issues, terrible production this year and new contract it is a whole different story.
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Post#438 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:42 pm

doclinkin wrote:Prioritize my draft board to select linemen, commit to building the offensive line and defensive line first. I want the bar none best in the league on both sides of the line of scrimmage. You give me that and we have a championship coming.

Protecting your franchise quarterback ought to be the top priority-- not sure why this team hasn't learned the lessons of their Superbowl history, but if you are willing to dump 5 draft picks to select a guy you damn well better make sure you are able to protect him. Let him break the pocket when he chooses to, not out of necessity to save his life.

Defensive front seven are key as well. I'm not sold on Orakpo, he's overrated and not versatile. In past years you heard him complain that he 'should' have higher sack totals, but the refs don't call holding on players matched against him. Look, Rak, refs will begin to call that more if they think you were an actual threat to make the sack. Power Through. If you are able to sack a guy despite being held then they'll be more likely to call it when it happens. Get me linebackers or even DEs who will play on Special Teams as well as in the trenches. No prima donna specialists. Rather keep Rob Jackson or look elsewhere and upgrade in the middle, not overpay for Rak. Sink my dollars into the D line, upgrade there.

If you can put pressure on their guy with your front three, if you can stand up their RBs at the line and make them bounce outside then you free Haslett to come up with all the crazy stunts he wants to hatchet their guys to the ground. Give me two more Barry Cofields and give them a couple back-ups of similar quality so you can bear injuries and cycle 'em in and out, keep fresh.

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Let Orakpo go unless they switch to the 43. Jackson's just as good as a 34 OLB. I thought and still think their personnel fits a 43 D better than a 34. Who is the Bravehart's GM, anyway? Allen might have the title, but he's a glorified CEO; not a football guy. GM by committee isn't going to work. Morocco Brown? AJ Smith? Bobby Beathard? The Dan's barber?
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Post#439 » by fishercob » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:50 pm

Thank you all for coming. Here's Fish Plan Du Jour:

Trade #1

Wizards trade Nene and to the Rockets for Asik and tiny (flippable) filler.

Pro's for Houston:
--Nene would be ideally suited as a complementary option on offense, a leader of the second unit, and a huge solidifying presence on defense. He'd be great as Howard's backup and could also easily play alongside him when HOU wanted to bludgeon teams inside. They'd become serious, legit contenders.

Cons for Houston:
--While Morey was reported to be enamored of Nene a couple of summers ago, he may have soured on him as his body has begun to break down and his production has slipped. Nene's salary carries sizable opportunity cost and would basically mean Houston was rolling with what they had for the next couple of years


Trade #2
Wizards trade Porter, Vesely and Maynor for Greg Monroe and Brandon Jennings

Pro's for Detroit:
--Not only do they clear their frontcourt glut and fill a need at SF, they also hit reset on the Jennings contact which they seem to regret. They target either Exum or Smart in the draft and have a ton of cap space going forward with a young, dynamic core.

Con's for Detroit:
They get a lot worse immediately (not necessarily a con) and take on some big risk -- first that Porter pans out into what YODA and other metrics predicted for him pre-draft, and that they land a great draft pick.

Trade #3
Wizards trade Gortat and Glen Rice Jr. to Milwaukee for Ersan Ilyasova

Pro's for Milwaukee:
--Clear out Ilyasova's contract and clear some space in the frontcourt. Glen a decent wing prospect in Rice who had great success in the D-League. They also may be able to wrangle a bit for value for Gortat's Bird rights

Con for Milwaukee:
--They may not think highly or Rice and believe they can do better for Ilyasova

What this all means for the Wizards

Asik -- 27 years old. Rim-protecting stud and elite on the defensive boards. Offensively limited.

Monroe -- 23 years old. High ceiling forward-center would be surrounded by the most talent he ever has by a massive margin. Usage would go down, productivity would go up. Knows how to find the home locker room at the Verizon Center.

Jennings -- 24 years old. Miscast as a lead guard, but potential terror as third guard. Early money favorite for 6th Man of the Year. Watch him re-establish his value in such a role and become a desirable trade target. Needs strong coaching and good teammates to ensure he's taking the right shots and making the right passes.

Ilyasova -- 26 years old. Complements his countryman Asik beautifully. Would thrive with Wall or with the second unit (Jennings and Monroe at C)

Hire Stan Van Gundy

The rotation:

Wall (36) Jennings (12)
Beal (32) Jennings (13) Webster (3)
Webster (25) Ariza (23)
Monroe (16), Ilyasova (26), Ariza (6)
Asik (28) Monroe (16)

We re-sign Ariza with Bird Rights and will have the MLE and room under the tax for our 2nd round pick and if we want Booker, Seraphin or other free agents.

Tons of lineup flexibility. Defense. Pick and roll. 3's. Youth with experience. Depth.

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Post#440 » by nuposse04 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:22 pm

Jennings would make sure we never actually contend.

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